Cancellations

[sb1212]

24 minutes ago, Leyla Scott said:

There’s nothing we can do… they know it too. When it comes to this, you have to just hope clients have respect & common courtesy.  I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t have a 6’8”, 400 lb body guard named Bubba to go collect for me 🤣

Hi, Leyla.  Bubba here. Happy to help....

[Mustang87]

17 hours ago, sb1212 said:

It is not uncommon to see reviews where "No Show" appears in the review  header. What I dont recall is how far along in the process it has to be to meet the definition of No Show. Moderators.....?

Sorry to hi-jack the thread, but this is a discussion I've had recently and not sure where the line is drawn. In my case I booked the evening before for a morning meeting. She asked me to confirm an hour out that morning. I did and no response, tried again 30 minutes out, nothing. She responded about 2 hours later saying she was sorry but something came up. Because she never confirmed that morning I'm assuming it's not grounds for a no show review, but not exactly sure where that line is.

[Steve Rogers]

To the OP, I am going to offer hopefully a different perspective.

 In my short, limited experience with this.....day of is the way to go for me. It seriously limits my options and makes it difficult to see ladies who maybe visiting from out of town; but it cuts down on the possibility of me having to cancel on a lady. 

 You are absolutely right!, Life happens.....for both the client and the provider. I am lucky enough to have not had to cancel on a provider yet because I do day of scheduling. 

 If I were to have had a lady cancel on me......here is what I would do.......Politely ask to reschedule. If she does not answer or is not wanting to reschedule; move on. Unless the lady was completely rude about having to cancel, I would simply chalk it up to "fate" and get on living. I would only write a NCNS review if the lady was rude on not trying to make it work. If a lady was apologetic, polite, offer extended time later, etc.- I would not write a NCNS review. 

 Clients want to have excellent references so they can continue to see ladies and Ladies want to have great reviews to continue meet clients. We truly have a symbiotic relationship, probably more than we even realize. Again, to the OP, I hope the members here are treating you right and not making life difficult for you.

[mustang]

On 7/20/2021 at 6:36 PM, gr8owl said:

Seriously dude?  I dislike being NCNS'ed as much as anyone.  But when I am, I may get blue balls, but I saved money cuz clearly I did not pay her.  If a lady gets NCNS'ed she loses the entire donation ......... the one the john saved.  Not remotely the same thing, actually the opposite.  Hiring escorts but complaining about gas money just sounds ............ cheap as hell.  If you booked a hotel room at current rates and that was an understood part of deal, you have a legitimate beef.  I would personally never book the room for many reasons.

AS I read this, she wants FULL session paid for ... that, even at todays gas prices buys one heck of a lot of :"gas"  In the past I have travelled to an area, got a room for the sole purpose of seeing a lady.  Seems a guy just can't won ...... we get hammered for doing same day appointments, but we are expected to pay full freight if we schedule several days ahead and then have to cancel.  I NEVER pay with anything but cash, and IF I could (should I ever cancel) be available to pay the "fee" I would just go ahead with the appointment.

[sb1212]

24 minutes ago, mustang said:

AS I read this, she wants FULL session paid for ... that, even at todays gas prices buys one heck of a lot of :"gas"  In the past I have travelled to an area, got a room for the sole purpose of seeing a lady.  Seems a guy just can't won ...... we get hammered for doing same day appointments, but we are expected to pay full freight if we schedule several days ahead and then have to cancel.  I NEVER pay with anything but cash, and IF I could (should I ever cancel) be available to pay the "fee" I would just go ahead with the appointment.

Call me dense (you wouldnt be the first), but I am having a tough time following your train of though. If she has a cancellation policy you dont like, dont schedule. If you schedule and cancel, pay the fee.  Simple. Its like arguing about rates.  Dont like the rate? Find someone else. Lots of choices here at the TOB Superstore. I dont know your circumstances (live far ftom a major metro  area?), but I suspect that the  guy getting a room is not common. If you did that and she cancelled last minute, you would be justified in your irritation.  Perhaps you request a deposit (good luck). Your last sentence has me completely baffled. 

[mustang]

1 hour ago, sb1212 said:

Call me dense (you wouldnt be the first), but I am having a tough time following your train of though. If she has a cancellation policy you dont like, dont schedule. If you schedule and cancel, pay the fee.  Simple. Its like arguing about rates.  Dont like the rate? Find someone else. Lots of choices here at the TOB Superstore. I dont know your circumstances (live far ftom a major metro  area?), but I suspect that the  guy getting a room is not common. If you did that and she cancelled last minute, you would be justified in your irritation.  Perhaps you request a deposit (good luck). Your last sentence has me completely baffled. 

you are right, AND that is what I would do ... I just thought this was a discussion forum?  I have said many times that "if you don't like price/attitude/rules move to the next choice.  Just taking ....... no animas, or hard feelings here.  I guess this is an indication that open conversation here is not as welcome as it used to be.  I will endeavor to reduce that. .  What don't you understand about always using cash???  First and foremost, cash does NOT leave a trail that leads back to me.  No i.p. address, no files on a computer, no cash app (or other things) tied to me.

[gr8owl]

2 hours ago, mustang said:

AS I read this, she wants FULL session paid for ... that, even at todays gas prices buys one heck of a lot of :"gas"  In the past I have travelled to an area, got a room for the sole purpose of seeing a lady.  Seems a guy just can't won ...... we get hammered for doing same day appointments, but we are expected to pay full freight if we schedule several days ahead and then have to cancel.  I NEVER pay with anything but cash, and IF I could (should I ever cancel) be available to pay the "fee" I would just go ahead with the appointment.

Yeah, like I said, you have a beef about the hotel expense.  I also get a bit puzzled by the ads that say only when you are ready to see me and/or same day appointments only vs. many others for only planned and scheduled ahead appointments.  Each lady to their own as long as they are clear, but I can't stand the same day thing, so probably not calling.  Clarification - in my opinion cancelling before the confirmation and disclosure of address is no harm no foul.  Calling just before the appointed time is annoying and disappointing, but if there is a believable reason, oh well.  It is the no call no show thing that leaves you picking your ass in a parking lot (or room you only have for the event) and waiting, waiting, finally realizing just not gonna show.  THAT is inexcusable from either side.  What the offending party decides to do about it or offer tells all one needs to know about their character.  

[gr8owl]

8 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

Sorry to hi-jack the thread, but this is a discussion I've had recently and not sure where the line is drawn. In my case I booked the evening before for a morning meeting. She asked me to confirm an hour out that morning. I did and no response, tried again 30 minutes out, nothing. She responded about 2 hours later saying she was sorry but something came up. Because she never confirmed that morning I'm assuming it's not grounds for a no show review, but not exactly sure where that line is.

Well it is a kinda grey line, and rules change and come and go without warning or notice any more, but here is my best understanding of how it always was.  If she cancels before the confirmation of appointment and exchange of address info, that is not a no call no show.  After you confirm and get address and are stood up with no call that is a no call no show.  Only no call no shows are subject to review.  Late cancellations via call text etc. are not, and cannot be reviewed.  Ditto just failing to respond to your confirmation text.  Without confirmation there is no appointment.  If that is not still the rules, don't ask me cause I did not get the memo!! 

 

[Strange_Ice]

2 hours ago, sb1212 said:

Call me dense (you wouldnt be the first), but I am having a tough time following your train of though. If she has a cancellation policy you dont like, dont schedule. If you schedule and cancel, pay the fee.  Simple. Its like arguing about rates.  Dont like the rate? Find someone else. Lots of choices here at the TOB Superstore. I dont know your circumstances (live far ftom a major metro  area?), but I suspect that the  guy getting a room is not common. If you did that and she cancelled last minute, you would be justified in your irritation.  Perhaps you request a deposit (good luck). Your last sentence has me completely baffled. 

I dont get what you dont understand about what he is saying.... he ONLY PAYS CASH.... now how else would you pay a "cancelation fee" if you dont follow through with an appointment for whatever reason? There is only one way to pay CASH ONLY, And if your following through with an appointment why then is there a need for the "fee" (which is what his last sentence said)...... I find it funny how for so many people that get on here and preach "CASH IS KING" "you should only ever pay CASH", they still find a way to argue FOR other methods. Because the only way to pay a deposit or send a "cancelation fee" is through an app or using a card.... so which is it? Is this a CASH ONLY business or is it now the new norm to "leave a trail"?

[Savoir Faire]

16 hours ago, Leyla Scott said:

@Savoir Faire thank you my friend. It was fantastic seeing you Saturday night and I hope to see more of you out and about. Always enjoy chatting and it always makes me so happy to see your face. You look AMAZING! 😍 so handsome.

 

@Phil-anderer it would be a pleasure and an honor to see my favorite doc 😘

 

 

 

Mrs Slow Wine I agree that it was simply fantastic and a joy running into you. I was totally not expecting to see you and yes I will try my hardest to pop up more often these days. You are way too kind with your compliments. I shall be in touch my friend, that you can bet on..................

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

5 hours ago, Strange_Ice said:

I dont get what you dont understand about what he is saying.... he ONLY PAYS CASH.... now how else would you pay a "cancelation fee" if you dont follow through with an appointment for whatever reason? There is only one way to pay CASH ONLY, And if your following through with an appointment why then is there a need for the "fee" (which is what his last sentence said)...... I find it funny how for so many people that get on here and preach "CASH IS KING" "you should only ever pay CASH", they still find a way to argue FOR other methods. Because the only way to pay a deposit or send a "cancelation fee" is through an app or using a card.... so which is it? Is this a CASH ONLY business or is it now the new norm to "leave a trail"?

This is incorrect. Many guys will swing by and drop off a cash cancelation fee.  It happens all the time.  They understand the agreement they made. Obviously not all, but the ones who want to stay in the good graces of the ladies, they do. 

[Johnny_rey]

4 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

This is incorrect. Many guys will swing by and drop off a cash cancelation fee.  It happens all the time.  They understand the agreement they made. Obviously not all, but the ones who want to stay in the good graces of the ladies, they do. 

If you are going to drop of cancelation fee might as well stay for a qv!

[Mustang87]

16 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Well it is a kinda grey line, and rules change and come and go without warning or notice any more, but here is my best understanding of how it always was.  If she cancels before the confirmation of appointment and exchange of address info, that is not a no call no show.  After you confirm and get address and are stood up with no call that is a no call no show.  Only no call no shows are subject to review.  Late cancellations via call text etc. are not, and cannot be reviewed.  Ditto just failing to respond to your confirmation text.  Without confirmation there is no appointment.  If that is not still the rules, don't ask me cause I did not get the memo!! 

 

That's pretty much where I landed on this.

[Elle Blake]

On 7/20/2021 at 3:19 PM, Leyla Scott said:

Faith in gentlemen restored!! Thank you sweethearts. Love you & smoochies to all yous.

@Seeker5280 hard to say because some p411 guys are tob members too. Ok so honestly….  …. ….. I’ve been in this biz for a year and half and have had 3 NCNS… I guess I shouldn’t complain but… 2 of them have happened IN THE LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE 2 HOUR APPOINTMENTS! 😡  whhhhaaaa??? Im not yelling! 

1 TOB and p411, 1 just TOB, 1 no membership anywhere I know of. I’d be happy to present this data with charts and graphs along with some data analysis if you wish 🤓🤓😂😂 oh jeez I cracked myself up with that! 🤣🤣

Leyla,   My dearest sexiest love.   You have a very difficult schedule!!!   I know because I tried to book with you!  Take a deep breath.  3 in a year and some change is a gift!!!  I have at least 5 a week. I’ve been doing this tooo long.  However, breath love! Call me…. I take care of those that cancel🥰🥰🥰 lol

XOXO

ELLE

[inkspot]

On 7/21/2021 at 2:14 PM, sb1212 said:

Doesnt this decription meet the definition of a NCNS which can be reported in a review?

Try reporting a NCNS and see how that works out for you.

[Caressa Duval]

On 7/23/2021 at 6:56 AM, Johnny_rey said:

If you are going to drop of cancelation fee might as well stay for a qv!

My rates for a QV or lollipop visit are $10,000 you might just want to drop off the cancellation fee, and not ruin 2 working days for a woman.

Edited July 24, 2021 by Caressa Duval
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[Leyla Scott]

19 hours ago, Elle Blake said:

Leyla,   My dearest sexiest love.   You have a very difficult schedule!!!   I know because I tried to book with you!  Take a deep breath.  3 in a year and some change is a gift!!!  I have at least 5 a week. I’ve been doing this tooo long.  However, breath love! Call me…. I take care of those that cancel🥰🥰🥰 lol

XOXO

ELLE

Love you Elle! 😘

[Johnny_rey]

On 7/24/2021 at 7:59 AM, Caressa Duval said:

My rates for a QV or lollipop visit are $10,000 you might just want to drop off the cancellation fee, and not ruin 2 working days for a woman.

Lol good point!

[Guest]

On 7/22/2021 at 7:55 PM, gr8owl said:

  It is the no call no show thing that leaves you picking your ass in a parking lot (or room you only have for the event) and waiting, waiting, finally realizing just not gonna show.  THAT is inexcusable from either side.  What the offending party decides to do about it or offer tells all one needs to know about their character.  

Exactly, this just makes me crazy! Last time this happened to me, there was no offer of anything or explanation.

[Ms T DDD]

On 7/20/2021 at 7:00 PM, Leyla Scott said:

I think collecting deposits is the way to go… i haven’t done it yet but I think it’s becoming necessary. If you cancel last minute, you have compensated for her time with the deposit. If she has to cancel, you get your deposit back & reschedule. Easy peasy. 

I require deposits no matter where they come from. If I happen to cancel,  I refund deposit and give a % off next visit for the inconvenience. Some clients will not pay my deposits so, on to the next!  If they are upstanding, respectful gentlemen then they have no problem paying a deposit. 

[Ms T DDD]

And on another note dear, why would you want to see a potential client if he is unwilling to give you the security you ask for? You are a well established provider so he knows your credentials. Many providers may say they lose clients if they ask for deposits. I say who cares! I just weeded out someone who would likely NCNS. You have to think about YOU and YOUR time and finances that go into each touring trip. It is MANDATORY for deposits when I travel, even my regulars will give me a deposit because they know how difficult it is for me to tour with my 3 jobs. I look at it as simple respect. Do not EVER feel bad about requiring deposits. It is funny how you will soon see the good and bad in people! 

[Hunter VanDyke]

On 7/23/2021 at 6:56 AM, Johnny_rey said:

If you are going to drop of cancelation fee might as well stay for a qv!

On 7/23/2021 at 6:56 AM, Johnny_rey said:

If you are going to drop of cancelation fee might as well stay for a qv!

A few things to consider here.

1. The cancelation fee is for the MISSED appt. If it's stated on her website or another site she advertised on, that's what you're agreeing to when you ask this provider for an appt.  You knew about this up front. 

2. A lot of providers will not agree to another session with you until the cancelation fee is paid. It can be a set up for an additional "time-wasting"  situation. 

No client has to pay this fee and many don't, but this is the type of information we share with each other about clients. Mutual respect goes a long way. Not wasting each other's time, not giving each other the run around, not crossing boundaries, making things right when "shit happens" all this goes a long way in the community.  It can prevent negative reviews sometimes, and it can prevent blacklists sometimes too. 

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

21 hours ago, LightningP said:

Exactly, this just makes me crazy! Last time this happened to me, there was no offer of anything or explanation.

If you're waiting in the parking lot at the the time of the appt that means you have a confirmation with an address which is considered a NCNS and reviewable. That was my understanding anyway. 

[Hunter VanDyke]

On 7/23/2021 at 8:07 PM, inkspot said:

Try reporting a NCNS and see how that works out for you.

I wouldn't hold a NCNS show review against a potential client.  Providers can a do make that right, and the reviewer can remove the review at that point I believe. 

[Guest]

Hey Hunter! I don’t do bad reviews anymore. Life is too short. Besides, she just acted like it never happened. This is exactly why I will never ever pay a deposit, however.

[Maclovin]

Maybe two running lists are needed:

1. Clients who no show.

2. Providers who ghost / no show.

 

[Mr.Pink]

On 7/23/2021 at 2:23 AM, Hunter VanDyke said:

This is incorrect. Many guys will swing by and drop off a cash cancelation fee.  It happens all the time.  They understand the agreement they made. Obviously not all, but the ones who want to stay in the good graces of the ladies, they do. 

I'm having a hard time believing the first part of your statement. 

[Audrey Astor]

On 7/27/2021 at 1:46 PM, Hunter VanDyke said:

A few things to consider here.

1. The cancelation fee is for the MISSED appt. If it's stated on her website or another site she advertised on, that's what you're agreeing to when you ask this provider for an appt.  You knew about this up front. 

2. A lot of providers will not agree to another session with you until the cancelation fee is paid. It can be a set up for an additional "time-wasting"  situation. 

No client has to pay this fee and many don't, but this is the type of information we share with each other about clients. Mutual respect goes a long way. Not wasting each other's time, not giving each other the run around, not crossing boundaries, making things right when "shit happens" all this goes a long way in the community.  It can prevent negative reviews sometimes, and it can prevent blacklists sometimes too. 

 

I will not visit with folks that have an outstanding balance with another provider. It’s just not cool. 

[sparkey600]

On 7/20/2021 at 6:17 PM, mustang said:

SOOOOO I should suffer economically because I wanted to see you and for some reason "life happened"??

????  You do advertise to get clients ..... Right??

You really need to rethink this post bud. Take a minute and relax. This woman's livelihood is on the line. 

[sparkey600]

On 7/23/2021 at 2:11 PM, Elle Blake said:

Leyla,   My dearest sexiest love.   You have a very difficult schedule!!!   I know because I tried to book with you!  Take a deep breath.  3 in a year and some change is a gift!!!  I have at least 5 a week. I’ve been doing this tooo long.  However, breath love! Call me…. I take care of those that cancel🥰🥰🥰 lol

XOXO

ELLE

So hot......