Tell me about money

[Don John]

First, a kinda obvious point for context: rates for companionship have gone up lately. A lot. 

Now, this IS NOT a rate thread. No! That horse has been beaten to death. And, as a freelancer, I understand that you want to get the best hourly fee you can negotiate. (You go, girls!!)

Nope. What I'm curious is, gentlemen: how do you afford it?

How are you generating the cash to make paying $1,000/hour an affordable expense? Enough of you must be, or else the ladies would not be traveling here, right? Or, the local talent would have priced itself out of the market. So the rates are being paid, presumably. 9Again, not saying the money spent on companionship isn't worth it.)

Where are those benjamins coming from? (In a general, broad way, I don't expect a spreadsheet).

Also, if you have legit tips on how I, too, could afford those fabulous women charging 1K/hour-- please pass 'em along.

(And yes, I understand about paying more for pleasures, good wine, fine cognac, Wayagu beef, etc.) But the prices are steep and getting steeper.

I have the impression that a lot of you are lawyers, or high tech guys, or run your own business. Is that the case? Or is this a deal where you received a sudden windfall, say, an inheritance, and decide that Cinnamon Sweet with that fine, fine derrière is worth a splurge?

(This is part of a bigger mystery that maybe some of you could clarify for me, too. I see lots of shiny expensive vehicles. I see high-end boutiques in Cherry Creek and elsewhere apparently doing fine business. The nicer bars serving pricey cocktails are pretty full lately. But I also see the rents and the housing prices and wonder, just how are people making it? Is it all debt managment? Rich parents?)

 

[Danielle Rae]

Wait a min....$1K/hr?  What did I miss??? LOL

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

1 hour ago, Don John said:

Also, if you have legit tips on how I, too, could afford those fabulous women charging 1K/hour-- please pass 'em along.

Since you're asking...You can do rideshare 4 weekend days out of the month to hit that goal of seeing a $1000/hr provider. That's a legit tip!  😁

[wglide2003]

You set aside a certain amount per month and thats it. You can spent it all on one lady or have some left for another. It's a personal choice. And some times some other event happens like car breaks down and you have to skip a month. It's not debt management but cash flow ( what goes out can't be greater that what comes  in).

[pfunk]

I'm self employed. When I earn more than I need, to pay bills, I can hobby. Pretty straightforward. 

[Don John]

Danielle Rae -- I just looked on Tryst.link. On the landing screen for Denver, two women are advertising $1K/hour. That's two out of 24. Three are requesting $700/hour.

[Alex Majors]

Well Don, pardon the pun but this is my only vice. I don't smoke, hardly drink, don't go out to fancy dinners and hardly ever leave town. My business could have me working 24-7-365. So not doing much other than working, gives me the money to splurge here and there. Now the $1000 girls, though some are tempting,  are not going to see any of my cash. For the last few years I have just been seeing college sugar babies. Best thing about college sugar babies. Every year I get older but they stay the same age. Lol.

 

[BBT-8367]

4 hours ago, Don John said:

First, a kinda obvious point for context: rates for companionship have gone up lately. A lot. 

Now, this IS NOT a rate thread. No! That horse has been beaten to death. And, as a freelancer, I understand that you want to get the best hourly fee you can negotiate. (You go, girls!!)

Nope. What I'm curious is, gentlemen: how do you afford it?

How are you generating the cash to make paying $1,000/hour an affordable expense? Enough of you must be, or else the ladies would not be traveling here, right? Or, the local talent would have priced itself out of the market. So the rates are being paid, presumably. 9Again, not saying the money spent on companionship isn't worth it.)

Where are those benjamins coming from? (In a general, broad way, I don't expect a spreadsheet).

Also, if you have legit tips on how I, too, could afford those fabulous women charging 1K/hour-- please pass 'em along.

(And yes, I understand about paying more for pleasures, good wine, fine cognac, Wayagu beef, etc.) But the prices are steep and getting steeper.

I have the impression that a lot of you are lawyers, or high tech guys, or run your own business. Is that the case? Or is this a deal where you received a sudden windfall, say, an inheritance, and decide that Cinnamon Sweet with that fine, fine derrière is worth a splurge?

(This is part of a bigger mystery that maybe some of you could clarify for me, too. I see lots of shiny expensive vehicles. I see high-end boutiques in Cherry Creek and elsewhere apparently doing fine business. The nicer bars serving pricey cocktails are pretty full lately. But I also see the rents and the housing prices and wonder, just how are people making it? Is it all debt managment? Rich parents?)

 

I think it's a pretty simple answer. Many people are probably spending more than they should and others have enough disposable income such that it does not make much of a difference. 

For people with a top 1% net worth, spending 1K 24 times per year is likely not a big deal. For some people in the top 2%, that would be a big deal, though many could afford it if they wanted to splurge.  

That leads me to wonder what the other 98% are doing. If those not in the top 2% are regularly purchasing 700 or more per hour leisure services, in the majority of those cases, they probably do not have good habits for long term financial security.  Long term financial security is not important to everyone and everyone has different values.

 

 

 

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[ilovewomen]

To the OP, the ladies charging $500 and up are in a very small minority. Traveling ladies need to charge more to help pay for their travel expenses.

That said, just because a lady wants $500-$1,000 for an hour of time does not mean that you will an experience that superior to a lady who wants $300/hr. In fact it could be the exact opposite.

Stick with the local ladies of TOB.

[Caressa Duval]

This IS a rate thread.  Stick with TOB ladies...sure. You still need to understand that we are paying over and above $200 per night for a Colorado incall.  Last year during summer months, even Super 8 went to $180 per night.  Us local ladies are struggling to provide quality incall locations! This has nothing to do with our spending ,  or being local.  It does have everything to do with us, providing YOU guys with  a quality incall that keeps you anonymous!

[sb1212]

Not sure why you are focused on the $1K per hour companions. There are a significant number of tremendously amazing companions at around $400 - or less. Yes, rates are up, but my nerdy analytical little brain has a hard time accepting that a $1K per hour experience will be predictably 2.5 times better than a $400 per hour experience. I am speaking on theory, not practice since I have never paid $1K

 

 

 

[lustybustygina]

1k  that maybe be a porn star who is touring ..  

I like 1k hr but I like new and old friends more then once a month !  not saying 1k providers are not getting 1k every day .

Hotels have gone up so much where it used to be 600 for a week stay is now  800 to 1200 i'm talking 3half to 4 star .

 

[lustybustygina]

11 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

This IS a rate thread.  Stick with TOB ladies...sure. You still need to understand that we are paying over and above $200 per night for a Colorado incall.  Last year during summer months, even Super 8 went to $180 per night.  Us local ladies are struggling to provide quality incall locations! This has nothing to do with our spending ,  or being local.  It does have everything to do with us, providing YOU guys with  a quality incall that keeps you anonymous!

This has nothing to do with our spending ,  or being local.  It does have everything to do with us, providing YOU guys with  a quality incall that keeps you anonymous!      100%

[johnnybgood]

I think that is why DTC is so popular because the prices per night are very reasonable with many rooms under $100 per night, even the Sheridan in DTC is only $120 per night and is a great location, but back to the original post for us guys about the cost vs value and are we all lawyers or high tech guys or what, I can promise you that I am none of the above but I do have a set amount per month I use for this entertainment.  I know some guys who drop $500 for a night going down to see an AVS game or Broncos game, I don't do either because I'd rather be in the arms of one of these lovely ladies for an hour or so.  But to each his own, some like their 75 inch TVs or 80K Tesla's, again I have neither...But I do have some wonderful ladies I meet on a regular basis because they are my Tesla or 75in TV at least for that hour or so!

[Don John]

The question was: how do you afford to pay for your fun?

The rates are part of the question. But I'm not interested in rehashing the topic of rates being low, high, justified, whatever. I understand that expenses have gone up, and I appreciate that providers are doing their best to offer delights  at a price that makes it worthwhile for everyone.

The 1K/hour ladies are outliers, sure. I mentioned that as an extreme example of a more general trend.

Maybe it's a stupid, indiscreet question. But I've often learned a lot from asking dumb questions. So far, the theme is that you budget for it and exercise financial discipline to enjoy the hobby. Good to know.

[ilovewomen]

55 minutes ago, Don John said:So far, the theme is that you budget for it and exercise financial discipline to enjoy the hobby. Good to know.

You’ve been around long enough here that I would think this conclusion would have been obvious to you before asking the question.

[Don John]

Yep, it is an obvious conclusion. But here’s the deal, ilovewomen: I did not have to budget, or save for, or even think much about the roses spent for companionship when it was 200 to 300 dollars per session. And I have, as you say, been around long enough to remember when that could buy you a great time in the DTC. 

So now—kinda like when I look at the prices of rent or houses or gas—I wonder, well, how are other people approaching this? How are they balancing living in one of the top-five most expensive cities in the USA and still finding some scratch for fun? Are they richer that me and smarter than me? I don’t mind admitting that. I just want to know how it’s working. I see that people are taking a more structured approach to their pleasures. That’s pretty smart. But, you’re right, maybe not a major revelation. 

Also, let’s note another response to this thread: The poster he’s pretty much bailed on the scene and is seeing sugarbabies primarily. Well, that’s  something to consider.  Another guy lit everyone up a while back by saying he’ll just go to Thailand for paid companionship. Not my choice, and not something I’d recommend, but interesting to know. 

[Happymon]

On 4/22/2022 at 5:20 PM, Don John said:

First, a kinda obvious point for context: rates for companionship have gone up....

Now, this IS NOT a rate thread. No! That horse has been beaten to death. 

Thank God. I was worried for a brief moment, thinking no one would be crazy enough to start yet another.

Thanks for not doing so. 

[tide32]

21 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

To the OP, the ladies charging $500 and up are in a very small minority. Traveling ladies need to charge more to help pay for their travel expenses.

That said, just because a lady wants $500-$1,000 for an hour of time does not mean that you will an experience that superior to a lady who wants $300/hr. In fact it could be the exact opposite.

Stick with the local ladies of TOB.

Perfect. Just because something cost more doesn't mean it better. Why would I buy Under Armor when Russell is just as good. My best experiences has always been with the local ladies. 

[tide32]

On 4/22/2022 at 7:40 PM, Don John said:

Danielle Rae -- I just looked on Tryst.link. On the landing screen for Denver, two women are advertising $1K/hour. That's two out of 24. Three are requesting $700/hour.

You answered your own question. Go with what you can afford. 

[johnnybgood]

Ok DJ, you ask for specifics I'll honestly do my best.... 1) prioritize your spending   2) save!  3) if you work 40hrs a week, work 45 or 50!   4) if extra hours aren't available at your job get a second job...in 40 years I've NEVER not been able to find some work somewhere!  These ladies earn every dollar they get and then some, we all look for a bargain its human nature, if their price is out of your budget move on or better yet save up till you can afford their luxury service.  

[Don John]

@johnnybgood  thanks.

[BadBoy]

I have a side-hustle as a gigilo.

[Mustang87]

It seems like you are asking how you can earn more money. I'm not sure this is the best place to get that advice.  But, to hobby, unless you are independly wealthy, you either have to have disposable money on a monthly basis, or you have to save up over time until you have enough. It sounds like you are saying that neigher of those are options for you, especially since you seen to want to see ladies in the $700-1000 range. I think the only answer is to either work more hours at the job you have now, or get a job that will pay you more money. I've been self-employed for 20+ years now and the amount of money I have to hobby is directly related to how hard and smart I work that month.  Wish I could be of more help.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Mustang87

[Mike940370]

$700 or $1000 an hour?  Lol, at my age, that might be $8000 by the time I'm ready for a 2nd shot.  Chump change for our wasteful  government. or biden, but I think you need to shop in others places and compare what you get for the $.

[zman999]

On 4/23/2022 at 8:18 PM, tide32 said:

Perfect. Just because something cost more doesn't mean it better. Why would I buy Under Armor when Russell is just as good. My best experiences has always been with the local ladies. 

That's funny because my best experiences are almost always with traveling ladies.  Just goes to show ya ymmv. 

[ilovewomen]

24 minutes ago, zman999 said:

That's funny because my best experiences are almost always with traveling ladies.  Just goes to show ya ymmv. 

To each his own

[Audrey Astor]

On 4/22/2022 at 5:20 PM, Don John said:

First, a kinda obvious point for context: rates for companionship have gone up lately. A lot. 

Now, this IS NOT a rate thread. No! That horse has been beaten to death. And, as a freelancer, I understand that you want to get the best hourly fee you can negotiate. (You go, girls!!)

Nope. What I'm curious is, gentlemen: how do you afford it?

How are you generating the cash to make paying $1,000/hour an affordable expense? Enough of you must be, or else the ladies would not be traveling here, right? Or, the local talent would have priced itself out of the market. So the rates are being paid, presumably. 9Again, not saying the money spent on companionship isn't worth it.)

Where are those benjamins coming from? (In a general, broad way, I don't expect a spreadsheet).

Also, if you have legit tips on how I, too, could afford those fabulous women charging 1K/hour-- please pass 'em along.

(And yes, I understand about paying more for pleasures, good wine, fine cognac, Wayagu beef, etc.) But the prices are steep and getting steeper.

I have the impression that a lot of you are lawyers, or high tech guys, or run your own business. Is that the case? Or is this a deal where you received a sudden windfall, say, an inheritance, and decide that Cinnamon Sweet with that fine, fine derrière is worth a splurge?

(This is part of a bigger mystery that maybe some of you could clarify for me, too. I see lots of shiny expensive vehicles. I see high-end boutiques in Cherry Creek and elsewhere apparently doing fine business. The nicer bars serving pricey cocktails are pretty full lately. But I also see the rents and the housing prices and wonder, just how are people making it? Is it all debt managment? Rich parents?)

 

As someone who has been around as long as you, I speak from the other side. My rate is still low in comparison for Denver. I know enough about the folks that visit me to know that men are not going into debt for this experience. Most are not making $150k a year. The avg age is probably 45-75. This mostly means married (dual income). The people purchased their home prior to 2008 and didn’t keep up with the Jones. They don’t buy a new $1m home, and they don’t buy a new Escalade every year. Their mortgage is $1300 a month or paid off. They drive their cars until it’s necessary to purchase a new one. They LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. They’re not dummies like me paying $4300 a month in rent. So you see, they have a home, a car, a retirement and fun. They’ve made wise financial choices.  It’s not difficult to shore this up in our minds. 
The remainder of clients have cashed in on their equity to purchase that $1m home, but still have a mortgage of $1300. Plus they got a sign on bonus, and do make $150k a year (which is pretty much a requirement) to live in Denver now a days. It’s simple math, and having missed the mortgage boat or not. 

[Hunter VanDyke]

On 4/23/2022 at 6:22 PM, Happymon said:

Thank God. I was worried for a brief moment, thinking no one would be crazy enough to start yet another.

Thanks for not doing so. 

😂😂😂

On 4/22/2022 at 7:40 PM, Don John said:

Danielle Rae -- I just looked on Tryst.link. On the landing screen for Denver, two women are advertising $1K/hour. That's two out of 24. Three are requesting $700/hour.

5 out of 24 listings are 700/hr and above.  That's music to my ears. 😍🎶🎵🎶

[sb1212]

So.....with time on your hands, how about researching those TOB companions with websites and reporting back how many of them are $700 + per hour?  My guess is that it will be a similar ratio...