Vaccines are sexy!

[decafnaetd]

Has anyone had the vaccine yet? Just curious how your experience was with it. I'm not eligible yet, so I haven't gotten one. 

But if a lady gets one, she ought to put it in her ad. It would totally increase my comfort in setting up an appointment!

[Kaduk]

18 minutes ago, decafnaetd said:

Has anyone had the vaccine yet? Just curious how your experience was with it. I'm not eligible yet, so I haven't gotten one. 

But if a lady gets one, she ought to put it in her ad. It would totally increase my comfort in setting up an appointment!

[sb1212]

I agree, but I sense that the wonderful providers on this board are probably, unfortunately, quite low on the vaccine distribution priority list.  I'll be eligible before any of them...

😁

[Ivan128]

12 hours ago, decafnaetd said:

Has anyone had the vaccine yet? Just curious how your experience was with it. I'm not eligible yet, so I haven't gotten one. 

But if a lady gets one, she ought to put it in her ad. It would totally increase my comfort in setting up an appointment!

As I mentioned in another thread, I got my first jab, will get the second soon. The only side effect I had was a sore arm for a day, but I have heard there are more from the second. This is understandable, since these effects are mostly your immune system ramping up to build antibodies.

Current projections are that everyone will be eligible by April or May. Producing these in less than a year has been a modern miracle.

[BigBaldBlk]

I had my first one a few weeks ago and go back mid-February for the second one.  As @Ivan128 said, arm was sore for a few days.  I'm in health care, so that's why I was able to get a shot.  I too am not looking forward to the second due to side-effects some of my team members have experienced.

[Phil-anderer]

3 hours ago, BigBaldBlk said:

I had my first one a few weeks ago and go back mid-February for the second one.  As @Ivan128 said, arm was sore for a few days.  I'm in health care, so that's why I was able to get a shot.  I too am not looking forward to the second due to side-effects some of my team members have experienced.

Trust me, whatever side effects (which are real) from the vaccine is a pittance of what SARS-COV2 disease can do.  I know this from personal experience, but I'm also in healthcare.

Get vaccinated when you can, people!

[Hunter VanDyke]

I can't wait to get mine.  It will be in my ad with a cute pic too. 💗

Quite a few providers qualify for the vaccine before the general population, whether it be for medical reasons or because this isn't their only gig. 😊

[lustybustygina]

I'm not sure I will get it  just yet ...even if I can at some point 

[Strange_Ice]

Sorry but I'm not drinking that cool-aid.... it's supposed to take years to properly develop a good vaccine and they did it in less then a year???? And on top of that definitely not the Pfizer vaccine considering they accidentally created viagra by trying to create something to treat heart related chest pain, but it was causing men to pop boners instead..... so if anything I'll wait at least a few years to see how everyone else reacts to it.... just like round up was huge and always on commercials now you see commercials about getting money from them because it was causing cancer.....

[contrails]

A mother of a good friend of mine got the vaccine last week and 45 minutes later she had a massive stroke. I also heard (second hand) this happened to a pharmacist in Denver. Further reading about the doctor in Miami that died after the vaccine has given me pause about this. 

[Phil-anderer]

3 hours ago, Strange_Ice said:

Sorry but I'm not drinking that cool-aid.... it's supposed to take years to properly develop a good vaccine and they did it in less then a year???? And on top of that definitely not the Pfizer vaccine considering they accidentally created viagra by trying to create something to treat heart related chest pain, but it was causing men to pop boners instead..... so if anything I'll wait at least a few years to see how everyone else reacts to it.... just like round up was huge and always on commercials now you see commercials about getting money from them because it was causing cancer.....

If you understood the physiology of how viagra works and the intended action on with NO in the heart, then you'd understand how closely related the two are.  But what they found is that it had more significant action in the penis, and not as targeted to cardiac function (although the vasodilation in the heart can be a risk to some people with cardiac disease).  The 'miss' is actually more of a happy coincidence, because of the way PDE5 works.

It's definitely not a reason to have mistrust in a vaccine.

[Phil-anderer]

51 minutes ago, contrails said:

A mother of a good friend of mine got the vaccine last week and 45 minutes later she had a massive stroke. I also heard (second hand) this happened to a pharmacist in Denver. Further reading about the doctor in Miami that died after the vaccine has given me pause about this. 

It's easy to mistake correlation and causation.  There is a baseline for the prevalence of stroke, so just because someone has an adverse/severe event around the time of a vaccine doesn't necessarily mean they are related.  We need to let the healthcare bodies make a learned assessment.

[Strange_Ice]

9 minutes ago, Phil-anderer said:

It's easy to mistake correlation and causation.  There is a baseline for the prevalence of stroke, so just because someone has an adverse/severe event around the time of a vaccine doesn't necessarily mean they are related.  We need to let the healthcare bodies make a learned assessment.

So In the same way of people being labeled as a covid death because they had covid when they had a heart attack or stroke?

[contrails]

18 minutes ago, Phil-anderer said:

It's easy to mistake correlation and causation.  There is a baseline for the prevalence of stroke, so just because someone has an adverse/severe event around the time of a vaccine doesn't necessarily mean they are related.  We need to let the healthcare bodies make a learned assessment.

She was in perfect health (as was the doctor in Miami) but it does cause grounds for suspicion. I’m leery of vaccines in general anyway. When the Air Force crammed the Anthrax vaccine down our throats before we left for the sandbox, a mechanic and another pilot in the squadron became seriously ill shortly after. I don’t trust the media or medical community to tell the truth about this entire subject based on family members that are in fact doctors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[JoDoe27]

4 minutes ago, Strange_Ice said:

So In the same way of people being labeled as a covid death because they had covid when they had a heart attack or stroke?

Covid can cause blood clotting. Blood clotting can lead to and cause strokes. That’s the line of connection. Get covid, get a blood clot, have a stroke. Super over simplified but there you have a simple straight line of causation. 

It’s like that AIDS but died from pneumonia. That is still labeled as an AIDS related death. 

[Phil-anderer]

Contrails, I hear your fear/concern, but I am also, in fact, a doctor.

I am not saying there's no way a vaccine caused it - what I'm saying is each circumstance must be investigated to determine (if possible) a cause.  We know that vaccines absolutely do cause adverse events, but it's a risk-benefit analysis between potential harm from vaccines and the baseline for randomly occurring disease PLUS the Covid rate and subsequent related disease.  

Either way, and I should've said this before, I'm sorry you had friends/family got sick in the first place.

[Chloeblue83]

If u get the vaccine yourself u don't have to worry about who got it or who didn't that should be a personal preference. I been traveling in different states and mentioning the vaccine to people I see and I've heard horror stories of allergic reactions from family members that got it. If the vaccine is going to cause as many problems as covid I honestly haven't made a decision because it hasn't gone out to many people but the ones who are getting it are having reactions from light to death. Idk but definitely won't feel pressured into it.

[ilovewomen]

Over 500,000 people in Colorado has received their first vaccination. Colorado is 1 of 52 states.

Based on this, I would loosely say over 20 million people in the U.S. has received their first shot.

The number of people having an adverse reaction is very minute compared to those that have received the first shot. Just like the flu, some people will have an adverse reaction.

The Covid vaccination has proven to be effective and when you compare the reactions of those who have received a shit versus the  reactions of those who get Covid, I would much rather suffer through the very limited reaction to the shot.

FYI, I’ve had the Covid and I am still dealing with issues related to the Covid.  Trust me, you don’t want to get the Covid.

[Du]

What channel/news do you watch? Do you not believe Dr. Fauci? We've got to work together as ONE--get this covid behind us.  I've had both shots and survived without any symptoms. Even if you feel something, (after the shots) which would you rather bet your life on? Stomp this out ASAP!

[coolhand luke]

I have had both of mine without any side effects other than a slightly sore arm.  concerning the rapidity of development the actual process of using messenger rna has had research going on for at least a decade.  It was just brought to the forefront due the need for a vaccine now.  Using the rna is the exact way the virus invades the cells.  It then inserts its rna into our dna to cause the cell to reproduce the virus.  The vaccine rna causes our cells to produce antibodies and other defenses against the invading virus.  It does not prevent the virus from invading but allows our defenses to help to decactivate the virus and keep it from invading our cells and reproducing itself.  The messenger rna rapidly degrades no matter if it is the viruses rna or the rna that we make ourselves at times to produce things we need.  

Some people do get sick after any vaccine.  I know people who get sick after the flu vaccine and others.  The shingle vaccine is esp painful.  But it does not kill anyone unless there is a major allergic reaction.  people do pass away all the time and it may have just been a coincidence that it occurred so close to the time of the vaccine.  Yes even people in their 40's die of strokes.  This vaccine has been tested on a lot of people and as far as I know only less than one in 10,000 people have had any problem.  Yes we do not know what the long term side effects of any medication or vaccine is.  How many people remember asbestos pot holders.  What about baby powder or zantac for heartburn.  Aspirin and even tylenol can be deadly.  We just have to have some faith that things will help and not cause any harm.  We know what covid can do and its rate of causing problems is much higher than any vaccine so far.  So if you have a 10% chance of a serious problem with the virus and only a less than a 1/10,000 chance of a problem with the vaccine I know what odds I would choose.

[Kaduk]

•Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe? hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Does Johns Hopkins Medicine recommend We all get a COVID-19 vaccine?

You alone make the decision about whether to get a COVID-19 vaccine. We encourage you to talk to your primary care doctor and review our resources provided here, as well as information from other health care organizations. Johns Hopkins Medicine will continue to provide science-based, unbiased information so you can make an informed decision.

Have there been any safety concerns with the COVID-19 vaccine?

So far, none of the vaccine trials have reported any serious safety concerns. Trials for the first two vaccines — from Pfizer and Moderna — have had fully independent safety monitoring boards, and safety data are continuously reviewed by the FDA and expert panels.

Allergies: The CDC says people with allergies to certain foods, insects, latex and other common allergens can have the COVID-19 vaccine. Those with a history of severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to injectables or other vaccines should discuss the vaccination with their doctor, who can evaluate the person and assess their risk. According to the CDC, at this time, anyone who has a severe allergy (e.g., anaphylaxis) to any of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine ingredients should not receive this vaccine.

Can I get COVID-19 from the vaccine?

You cannot get COVID-19 from the vaccine. The COVID-19 vaccines created by Pfizer and Moderna do not have any virus or other infectious material in them. They are designed to cause your body to make copies of a harmless piece of the coronavirus, so you will not get COVID-19 from the vaccine. Side effects such as fever and soreness at the injection site have been reported, particularly after the second injection (both of these vaccines require a second injection three to four weeks later), but the reported COVID-19 vaccine side effects in the trials are not as severe or dangerous as having a bad case of COVID-19 illness.

[ilovewomen]

Thank you Kaduk!

[ultraf20]

I have had both doses (2nd dose was on the 28th of Jan). I had no side effects. First dose the only thing was the shot area felt like a very mild tetanus shot for a day. One of my sisters had a fever after the 2nd shot. It is different for everyone and always will be. Many people have underlying health issues or weaknesses that are not even aware of.  I know many of front line workers who have had the vaccine with the same stories, some mild affects and many none at all. 

I know these were pushed out fast but if we don't do something and get this under control many more are going to die and it is already mutating into something worse. I have already lost and almost lost,  people close to me and others.  This is going to go on for years. Not to mention what else it going to do to society and the economy.

Just my thoughts.

[Leyla Scott]

For those who question the safety of the vaccine:

It is very safe. I wish all vaccines would be developed based on this mRNA technology. I’ll take a moment to explain this; maybe it’ll help some of you eliminate the worry you may have. 

Our bodies are comprised of many different cells. Outside of our cells we have cell walls. Think of it like walls of a castle. Not easy to get through. In the middle of that castle there’s a room (nucleus)... the nucleus holds very precious genetic information, a bible, a recipe for life! That is our makeup, our precious genetic information or in other words our DNA. Our DNA sends messages to our body’s factory (ribosomes) to make certain proteins so that we can maintain a healthy life and equilibrium throughout our whole body. The message our DNA sends is via a program, a code called the mRNA or messenger RNA. Our body’s factory does what the DNA tells it to do every time! Takes the coded messages from the mRNA and makes whatever it is it’s supposed to make with exact specifics - orders received from the castle!
 

In the case of the covid virus or any virus, our cells are infected by the virus breaking into the castle (our cell walls), opening the gates and getting into the room where our genetic information (DNA) is held,m; getting to our bible and recipe of life. RUDE! These rude intruders then delete a part of our genetic coding and insert their own coding in there... unfortunately that doesn’t workout to our favor because now our precious recipe of life, our bible has new messages to send out... it starts spitting out messages to make more of these intruders. The factory (ribosomes) do what the mRNA says every time. After all it’s orders and messages coming from our precious bible (DNA) and the factory must carry out those orders every time! So at that point our immune system cells our soldiers go to war. Antibodies are made, we feel crappy, our soldiers might win the war completely or not. 
 

The c19 vaccine does not contain any live or dead viral particles. The vaccine holds the program the coding that’s sent straight to the factory (mRNA) . No DNA manipulation, deletion or insertion. But... What is it telling the factory to do? It’s telling the factory to make these empty shells that resemble the covid19 virus with spikes all over the empty shell. So our factory takes the message that it thinks came from our bible (DNA) and makes the empty shells. Can those empty shells now get into our cells? Yes... their spikes will open the castle gates but since they’re only empty shells with no genetic material, they can’t do anything else. They don’t delete our precious bible verses to insert their own.  In the meantime the soldiers in our body (our immune system cells) are alerted that there’s a foreign intruder trying to invade and infect our cells. So, as a result antibodies (artillery) are made to go to war with these rude intruders. The antibodies will roam around our body and if there’s ever any virus that resembles what they have been programmed to combat, our immune system (the soldiers) kill the intruders via the antibodies (artillery). 
 

This vaccine in so many ways, is so much safer than DNA vaccines that actually manipulate our DNA and delete our genetic information  and insert new genetic information in order to alert our body’s immune system (soldiers) to make antibodies (artillery). Please do not hesitate to get this vaccine - I hope this simple explanation helps. The mechanism of action and the processes that are carried out are much more detailed and complicated, but this is the simplest way I could explain it. 
 

Thank you for taking the time to read this... Good luck to all of us, I hope our world returns to some normalcy soon. We can all certainly do our part by ensuring that it does. 
 

@Phil-anderer  doc please chime in if I missed something here. 

[Strange_Ice]

9 hours ago, Leyla Scott said:

For those who question the safety of the vaccine:

It is very safe. I wish all vaccines would be developed based on this mRNA technology. I’ll take a moment to explain this; maybe it’ll help some of you eliminate the worry you may have. 

Our bodies are comprised of many different cells. Outside of our cells we have cell walls. Think of it like walls of a castle. Not easy to get through. In the middle of that castle there’s a room (nucleus)... the nucleus holds very precious genetic information, a bible, a recipe for life! That is our makeup, our precious genetic information or in other words our DNA. Our DNA sends messages to our body’s factory (ribosomes) to make certain proteins so that we can maintain a healthy life and equilibrium throughout our whole body. The message our DNA sends is via a program, a code called the mRNA or messenger RNA. Our body’s factory does what the DNA tells it to do every time! Takes the coded messages from the mRNA and makes whatever it is it’s supposed to make with exact specifics - orders received from the castle!
 

In the case of the covid virus or any virus, our cells are infected by the virus breaking into the castle (our cell walls), opening the gates and getting into the room where our genetic information (DNA) is held,m; getting to our bible and recipe of life. RUDE! These rude intruders then delete a part of our genetic coding and insert their own coding in there... unfortunately that doesn’t workout to our favor because now our precious recipe of life, our bible has new messages to send out... it starts spitting out messages to make more of these intruders. The factory (ribosomes) do what the mRNA says every time. After all it’s orders and messages coming from our precious bible (DNA) and the factory must carry out those orders every time! So at that point our immune system cells our soldiers go to war. Antibodies are made, we feel crappy, our soldiers might win the war completely or not. 
 

The c19 vaccine does not contain any live or dead viral particles. The vaccine holds the program the coding that’s sent straight to the factory (mRNA) . No DNA manipulation, deletion or insertion. But... What is it telling the factory to do? It’s telling the factory to make these empty shells that resemble the covid19 virus with spikes all over the empty shell. So our factory takes the message that it thinks came from our bible (DNA) and makes the empty shells. Can those empty shells now get into our cells? Yes... their spikes will open the castle gates but since they’re only empty shells with no genetic material, they can’t do anything else. They don’t delete our precious bible verses to insert their own.  In the meantime the soldiers in our body (our immune system cells) are alerted that there’s a foreign intruder trying to invade and infect our cells. So, as a result antibodies (artillery) are made to go to war with these rude intruders. The antibodies will roam around our body and if there’s ever any virus that resembles what they have been programmed to combat, our immune system (the soldiers) kill the intruders via the antibodies (artillery). 
 

This vaccine in so many ways, is so much safer than DNA vaccines that actually manipulate our DNA and delete our genetic information  and insert new genetic information in order to alert our body’s immune system (soldiers) to make antibodies (artillery). Please do not hesitate to get this vaccine - I hope this simple explanation helps. The mechanism of action and the processes that are carried out are much more detailed and complicated, but this is the simplest way I could explain it. 
 

Thank you for taking the time to read this... Good luck to all of us, I hope our world returns to some normalcy soon. We can all certainly do our part by ensuring that it does. 
 

@Phil-anderer  doc please chime in if I missed something here. 

I really like the way you are breaking things down for an easier explanation of how it works. It does help to understand how it's supposed happen but for me personally I still have my reservations and so far will still wait a few years or the last possible minute if we start being "forced" into it one way or another....

[average1]

I am on the list with my health care provider and will get it as soon as I am able.  Everyone has their own comfort level.  All vaccines and all medications have adverse reactions for a very small percentage of people.  People get sick and die from penicillin, but it (and other antibiotics) save tons of lives.  I am thankful for antibiotics, and am thankful for vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine. 

[Strange_Ice]

A part of my reservations is that no matter how you look at it, it is still UNNATURAL. Eventually mother nature is always going to find a way to equal things out and there will just be another pandemic/disaster that will kill millions. And all of these "advancements" technically isnt makeing us stronger but rather weaker as a human race causing us to become more and more reliant on "medications" instead of letting our bodies NATURALLY adapt to things. Yes it might be better for US but the next generation or the on after that is the ones who pay for it all and get weaker over time.

[Leyla Scott]

1 hour ago, Strange_Ice said:

A part of my reservations is that no matter how you look at it, it is still UNNATURAL. Eventually mother nature is always going to find a way to equal things out and there will just be another pandemic/disaster that will kill millions. And all of these "advancements" technically isnt makeing us stronger but rather weaker as a human race causing us to become more and more reliant on "medications" instead of letting our bodies NATURALLY adapt to things. Yes it might be better for US but the next generation or the on after that is the ones who pay for it all and get weaker over time.

I love you sweetheart! Please trust in science a little bit. Many diseases have been eradicated by vaccines; our bodies would never adapt to those viruses that have been eradicated. Life spans are longer which is evidence that we’re stronger because we got smarter too. Hugs. 

[coolhand luke]

11 hours ago, Strange_Ice said:

A part of my reservations is that no matter how you look at it, it is still UNNATURAL. Eventually mother nature is always going to find a way to equal things out and there will just be another pandemic/disaster that will kill millions. And all of these "advancements" technically isnt makeing us stronger but rather weaker as a human race causing us to become more and more reliant on "medications" instead of letting our bodies NATURALLY adapt to things. Yes it might be better for US but the next generation or the on after that is the ones who pay for it all and get weaker over time.

It really is NOT unnatural. Herd immunity provides the same thing the vaccine does in a lot of ways.  Why did we all not die of the small pox or contract polio? The unfortunate american indians did not have any immunity to the small pox and thus lost many but not all because some did develop immunity by being exposed to it as many other people did. They developed their own immunity in much the same way that the vaccine is doing by having our own immune system develop the antibodies and other immune cells that fight the invading viruses.  All the vaccine does is to help our immune system that would otherwise take much more time and thus have many more of us get sick from it.  Trust the science.  Yes there will be another pandemic at some time but that is mother nature.  All things want to live and must adapt.  We just adapted by being able to make this vaccine.

[Strange_Ice]

11 hours ago, coolhand luke said:

It really is NOT unnatural. Herd immunity provides the same thing the vaccine does in a lot of ways.  Why did we all not die of the small pox or contract polio? The unfortunate american indians did not have any immunity to the small pox and thus lost many but not all because some did develop immunity by being exposed to it as many other people did. They developed their own immunity in much the same way that the vaccine is doing by having our own immune system develop the antibodies and other immune cells that fight the invading viruses.  All the vaccine does is to help our immune system that would otherwise take much more time and thus have many more of us get sick from it.  Trust the science.  Yes there will be another pandemic at some time but that is mother nature.  All things want to live and must adapt.  We just adapted by being able to make this vaccine.

Ahh but vaccines ARE unnatural as you pointed out with the native americans  the NATURAL way is to get sick or be exposed to something and overcome it. With that your body naturally develops it's own defenses to get stronger. It's something a lot of us humans have forgotten call natural selection where only the strong survive and thus when you do YOU produce a stronger offspring that will have a better chance of survival when THEY are exposed to it. We are too caught up on our own survival that we dont think about how weak it is causing our next generations. Think about how many people rely on simple medicine. Think about how fit and healthy more ancient civilizations where such as the Spartans, the Norse (vikings) I would be my life that if you put our best "warriors" (military, boxers, mma fighters) with all of the enhancements they take and how fit they are and I bet they still wouldn't stand up to even an average warrior from then. And as far as their life expectancy, it was far lower then now partially do to the "warrior" nature back then most people died from combat because everyone fought all across the land constantly, it was a constant battle of taking what you wanted and defending your honor/family.... that's just my thoughts, and in part the devils advocate in me looking at a different angle from "everyone else". But does it not raise a decent conversation from a new perspective if you actually think about it.  And there is nothing NATURAL about creating/developing something in a lab and shooting it into your body btw.... so you can't say the science of vaccines is natural at all