Posted January 3, 2014 Do you think that a lady should have the right to choose who she sees or do you think that she should see anybody that has money? For example: no black men. Should a woman in this business be allowed personal preferences? Why or why not? I believe she should because nobody should do something that they do not like to do. I am more interested in the why not. Have a great day! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Do you think that a lady should have the right to choose who she sees or do you think that she should see anybody that has money? For example: no black men. Should a woman in this business be allowed personal preferences? Have a great day! Yes, she should , actually by exercising your preference , you are doing him a favor ! Who wants to be around a woman who do not enjoy his company. This is not just a financial transaction. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 I expect that the principal reason folks will give for a provider not having the right to choose will center around the tired likening of your job to that of a mechanic, doctor or any other work that involves "services rendered." "My barber can't say 'no red haired men,' so why should Penelope Provider?" The so many more differences between the two jobs than there are similarities -- or waiting tables or even being a masseuse -- that this comparison is completely useless. (Not trying to hijack you question.) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Des, thank you. Finally a thread with some potential meat. Of course you should have the "right" (I'd love to see a comedy sketch based on enforcement of such, LOL). It's not like your pussy is a public place or receives government funding. Think of restricting access as "niche marketing." like sports bars catering to those interested in sports. You wouldn't ask to change all the TVs in the joint to the Lifetime Movie Network, right? We're all stuck in a culture that assigns a scarlet letter to those who don't march in a certain way. John Milton described it best when he said, "License they mean when they cry 'Liberty.'" Your right to throw a punch ends at my jaw, just like your dick has no right of entry, even if it's already been purchased. And so it goes... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 My prediction for this thread. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 First of all, while a barber couldn't advertise "no red-haired men", they ARE allowed to refuse service to anyone. A public business doesn't have to serve you just because you walk in (though I'm not sure of the specifics of if there needs to be a jusitfiable reason or not). However, the biggest difference here is that escorts are self-employed. They are choosing who they will do business with. There is NOTHING wrong with screening clients, and putting forth that a client has to be X in the first place or they will get rejected is simply making it easier on everyone, is it not? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 My prediction for this thread. Agreed! ... A public business doesn't have to serve you just because you walk in (though I'm not sure of the specifics of if there needs to be a jusitfiable reason or not). However, the biggest difference here is that escorts are self-employed. They are choosing who they will do business with. ... Really? You might want to check with a local baker about that? He was recently chastised by the court for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on "religious" grounds. That being said, I can understand why an ASP would prefer not to see little green men. After all they're so small and unsatisfying, besides being slimy. This is one advantage to being an underground profession. Legalization may bring restrictions (or requirements) on who should receive your services. You might get some exemption for health reasons, but you never know - some whiner will say that if he covers his scabs with a condom he's good to go. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 I expect that the principal reason folks will give for a provider not having the right to choose will center around the tired likening of your job to that of a mechanic, doctor or any other work that involves "services rendered." I've never heard anyone argue that service-oriented industries don't have the right to refuse service. In fact, many businesses have that "we have the right to refuse service for any reason" sign in the window. However -- it IS illegal to discriminate in jobs and public services, as it should be. To the OP, yes of course a provider has the right to refuse. For any reason. Whether it's skin color, age, weight....or whatever. Who wants to be around a woman who do not enjoy his company. This is not just a financial transaction. ^ This. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 If an ASP has personal preferences that would automatically preclude seeing a client, it should be stated upfront, perhaps in her ad. Be it race, faith, origin, handicap, IQ, etc. I think the same approach can be used for the less tangible things such as hygiene or attitude. For example, "good hygiene expected" or "positive attitude expected". That sorta thing. Nothing torques me off more than paying my admission, then in the middle of the show, I get told, "um, I usually don't do that". You coulda informed me before we started and saved us both the BS. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Are you the same Destiny that always says hookers should see all races when the race questions come up? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 I think a provider has the right to turn down and request for an appointment. In my opinion her safety trumps every other concern. I think, for the same reason, guys have the right to bale at any point as well. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Yes, they have the right. In my experience, most people find a WIDE range of other humans to be gross. It's amazing most providers can see the variety of men they do. If you think race X looks repulsive or you can't take ultra fat people, then you need to give yourself a break and not see them, so you don't traumatize yourself. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Sure an ASP has the 'right' to choose to not seeing certain types of clients. But if she is not upfront about this then hopefully a reviewer will note it. Realistically though, many clients will not bother to note such things in a review or even to write one. After all, we can never really know whether a provider not enjoying a certain activity falls under the YMMV category. Some providers are very assertive about such thing and the same can be said for clients. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 I've never heard anyone argue that service-oriented industries don't have the right to refuse service. In fact, many businesses have that "we have the right to refuse service for any reason" sign in the window. No, not for any reason: Civil Rights Act of 1964 Chooooo-choooooo!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 Yes you do have the right to refuse service to anyone! If this was a truly legal business you would not have that right about just seeing someone. So no matter what, you do not have to conform to the civil rights act. I am sure that the hobbyist would not call the aclu on you. Also in this line of work if you advertise that certain things or people are not acceptable that most will shy away. no one wants a terrible experience when spending that kind of money. I think it would be interesting to see what the law says about certain services.I doubt that if you offered greek or dfk to some and did not offer it to others that they would say you had to do it for everyone. It is not like baking cakes. You may have to see them but not have to offer all the same services. I think the brothels in Nevada can discriminate against anyone they want so that would throw the whole civil rights act out the window. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 3, 2014 ...Should a woman in this business be allowed personal preferences?...I am more interested in the why not.This act is the most intimate of all acts we encounter in the hobby (whether it's legal or not). By all means, she should have personal preferences. Guys do as we vote with our dead presidents as to who we want to see. I do believe the lady should state her references on her website as to what those preferences are (no Black guys, no one over 50, under 25, left-handed) etc. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 I expect that the principal reason folks will give for a provider not having the right to choose will center around the tired likening of your job to that of a mechanic, doctor or any other work that involves "services rendered." "My barber can't say 'no red haired men,' so why should Penelope Provider?" The so many more differences between the two jobs than there are similarities -- or waiting tables or even being a masseuse -- that this comparison is completely useless. (Not trying to hijack you question.) I agree it's a comparison between a legal business and one that's not. if it's not a legal business there are no rules. what are we going to do next, tell an auto theft ring it can't sell stolen cars to people under 21? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 Surely she can do whatever she wants…..but what kind of hooker would she be if she lets her personal preferences to interfere with the business? Yes, she should , actually by exercising your preference , you are doing him a favor ! Who wants to be around a woman who do not enjoy his company. This is not just a financial transaction. The way I see it: when you start cumming with your clients it’s time to get out of business….. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 but what kind of hooker would she be if she lets her personal preferences to interfere with the business? She'd be the kind of hooker that doesn't eat dick cheese. That's what kind she'd be. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 Yes, she should , actually by exercising your preference , you are doing him a favor ! Who wants to be around a woman who do not enjoy his company. This is not just a financial transaction. The way I see it: when you start cumming with your clients it’s time to get out of business….. Oceans apart between (enjoying) and (Cumming). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 I think a provider has the right to turn down and request for an appointment. In my opinion her safety trumps every other concern. I think, for the same reason, guys have the right to bale at any point as well. i often get the urge to bale in mid-session or maybe you really meant this kind: 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 This is really a non-issue, since the supply of working girls vastly outstrips the demand. No black men? Fine, call the next girl on your list. Most girls are more than happy to take your Jacksons and Bennies. At any rate, the number of girls who "don't see black men" is really a negligible fraction of the total. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 ... At any rate, the number of girls who "don't see black men" is really a negligible fraction of the total. That's not as true in The South. Many of the BP ads where I'm located state a preference for no black men. And it seems to be more black girls stating it. (I haven't done a numerical analysis.) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 4, 2014 That's not as true in The South. Many of the BP ads where I'm located state a preference for no black men. And it seems to be more black girls stating it. (I haven't done a numerical analysis.) Jim Crow is still alive in the south. Good ol' white boys don't want to think about that big black dick that's just been in the hole their little white weenie can't touch both sides of. This kind of advertising puts them at ease. Real reason? The hookers pimp doesn't want another playa to come steal his goldmine. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 6, 2014 Do you think that a lady should have the right to choose who she sees or do you think that she should see anybody that has money? For example: no black men. Should a woman in this business be allowed personal preferences? Why or why not? I believe she should because nobody should do something that they do not like to do. I am more interested in the why not. Have a great day! Last I knew we lived in America....... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 6, 2014 None of us are all things to all people. Personal preference is what makes me successful in my line of work. I'd rather pass on trying to earn a living doing something that doesn't accentuate my talents. Don't ask Babe Ruth to bunt or steal second... Surely she can do whatever she wants…..but what kind of hooker would she be if she lets her personal preferences to interfere with the business? The way I see it: when you start cumming with your clients it’s time to get out of business….. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 7, 2014 Of course. Just like a lot of businesses post sign that say "No shirt, no shoes, no service". You can say " no shower, no tooth brush, no clean nails no service" or anything you want. This is a very personal service. As for me I would not want to see a girl that really did not want to see me. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 7, 2014 Of course you should be allowed to refuse anyone. That SHOULD also go for all businesses. And yes, that means I disagree with parts of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I'm not a racist, and I would be first in line to picket a restaurant that would not serve white, black, yellow people. The point is that it should not be a matter for the govt in legit or non legit worlds. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 7, 2014 That's not as true in The South. Many of the BP ads where I'm located state a preference for no black men. And it seems to be more black girls stating it. (I haven't done a numerical analysis.) I've hobbied plenty in the South and never had a problem. Ditto in the Midwest, rural areas, etc. Most hookers only care about the money. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
