Be safe

[Travelingman]

Be safe out there everybody.  Our company just had a partial shutdown because someone’s family tested positive for the coronavirus.  We now get 2 weeks of working from home to start.

[Madison Taylor]

This is some scary shit at first I was thinking it won’t be that big but now I’m truly freaked out ..:(

[johnnybgood]

Your beauty and youth will protect you Madi...💋💋

[Madison Taylor]

11 minutes ago, johnnybgood said:

Your beauty and youth will protect you Madi...💋💋

I wish that was the truth and youth?? I’m 42 I’m definitely feeling the effects of the fun I had lol jk but thank you! That’s very nice of you to say though

[ilovewomen]

Let's get a grip on reality.

So far roughly 126,000 people worldwide have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.  Roughly 1,300 in the U.S. 33 here in Colorado. There have been 4,600 deaths worldwide.  38 deaths in the U.S.  No deaths in Colorado.

If you are 50 or younger (which more than likely includes all the ladies on TOB) and in good health, you should only have mild symptoms....mild cough, mild fever runny nose, etc.   If you are 60 and older (which a lot of the guys here are) and/or have underlying health problems, you are at a higher risk for severe symptoms and/or death.

I fall into the high risk category and I'm not worried.  I will do my due diligence. Keep up my hygiene and all the other things we are supposed to do to help prevent the spread of colds and the flu and I should be alright.  That also goes for the rest of the old farts here. 

Be concerned, be cautious, but don't panic or freak out.

[A-rod]

More recent reporting has stated that the assumption that there were many unreported "stealth" cases which would drive down the actual case fatality rate was wrong. Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs, and it appears that it can remain airborne for at least 3 hours.

Take precautions.

[Admiral C]

Life on Earth has dangers...it is just that simple. Historically, there is a pandemic every hundred years or so that claims millions of lives. Indeed the influenza pandemic that started in 1918 killed between 20 and 50 million people world wide. The plague that created the Dark Ages killed a third of the populations it infected.  Medical science seeks to keep up, or catch up, but it takes time, is not always successful, and is limited by what  it knows at the time. With a much  more dense population and global travel , pandemics.....serious pandemics, are questions of when, not if. Since it has been just over 100 years since the last one in 1918, people have forgotten these facts of life on Earth and hence many are totally freaking out.  Panic and fear are pointless. Understanding  that these things happen, taking reasonable precautions, and just being happy is the best approach.

[ilovewomen]

1 hour ago, A-rod said:

Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs,

I have not heard this stated by any source 

[pfunk]

2 hours ago, A-rod said:

More recent reporting has stated that the assumption that there were many unreported "stealth" cases which would drive down the actual case fatality rate was wrong. Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs, and it appears that it can remain airborne for at least 3 hours.

Take precautions.

Got a link(s) from your source(s) for this? Please, and thanks!

[CallieVane]

5 hours ago, A-rod said:

More recent reporting has stated that the assumption that there were many unreported "stealth" cases which would drive down the actual case fatality rate was wrong. Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs, and it appears that it can remain airborne for at least 3 hours.

Take precautions.

Can we get a source for this because I haven’t heard it from a single reporting source and it sounds like straight up scare tactics to incite unnecessary panic? 

[Bit Banger]

It’s beginning to appear that for the country as a whole the cure is worse than the disease.  Yes, a different situation for individual cases.

[hornyoldtoad]

9 hours ago, A-rod said:

More recent reporting has stated that the assumption that there were many unreported "stealth" cases which would drive down the actual case fatality rate was wrong. Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs, and it appears that it can remain airborne for at least 3 hours.

Take precautions.

That right there is some powerful information - do share your source?  link(s)?

[Kaduk]

On 3/12/2020 at 11:59 AM, A-rod said:

More recent reporting has stated that the assumption that there were many unreported "stealth" cases which would drive down the actual case fatality rate was wrong. Moreover, recent reporting has clarified that "mild" cases include bilateral viral pneumonia. These report are actually consistent. People are being selective with the available data.

Now, as for unsubstantiated (verified through multiple methods) information: It appears that is may attack the brain and reproductive organs, and it appears that it can remain airborne for at least 3 hours.

Take precautions.

On 3/12/2020 at 9:34 PM, hornyoldtoad said:

That right there is some powerful information - do share your source?  link(s)?

 

I'll weigh in on this until we can get an explanation from the OP.

From the Google-net---> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mild-coronavirus-symptoms_l_5e690986c5b6670e73027f54

Mild cases of COVID-19 defined::

“Mild” cases of coronavirus can also be more severe than people imagine, however. Bruce Aylward of the WHO told The New York Times last week that “mild” cases in China were not necessarily like a mild cold.

″‘Mild’ was a positive test, fever, cough ― maybe even pneumonia, but not needing oxygen,” he explained. ”‘Severe’ was breathing rate up and oxygen saturation down, so needing oxygen or a ventilator. "Critical’ was respiratory failure or multi-organ failure.”

_____________________

The New York Times Science & Health Reported Donald McNeil https://www.nytimes.com/by/donald-g-mcneil-jr stated that he regretted using the term "Mild" in an earlier article from Feb. as the definition is broader and to include "pneumonia, but not needing oxygen,”. Basically walking pneumonia. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by Kaduk

[N6_in_the_village]

5 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

It’s beginning to appear that for the country as a whole the cure is worse than the disease.  Yes, a different situation for individual cases.

 

ECDC: COVID-19 not containable, set to overwhelm hospitals

Filed Under: 

COVID-19

Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News

 |

Mar 12, 2020

In a stark and urgent COVID-19 risk assessment update today, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) said that, in a few weeks or even days, other countries in the region may face huge surges that mirror those of China and Italy.

It advised countries to quickly shift to mitigation strategies to protect vulnerable people and prevent overwhelmed hospitals.

Reports of dire conditions in hospitals in Italy's hot spots have been circulating on social media for the past few weeks and are now appearing in medical journal and media reports. The ECDC acknowledges that high numbers of patients needing ventilation have exceeded intensive care unit (ICU) capacity in some healthcare facilities in northern Italy.

Life-and-death decisions in Italy's inundated hospitals

In a Lancet report today, two authors from Italy said the percentage of COVID-19 patients needing ICU treatment has ranged from 9% to 11% and that ICUs will be at maximum capacity if that trend continues for 1 more week. They predicted that Italy will need 4,000 more ICU beds over the next month, a challenge given that the country has about 5,200 ICU beds.

In the hard-hit Lombardy region, healthcare workers have been working around the clock. About 350 (20%) have been infected, and some have died, according to the report. Italy's government is considering hiring 20,000 more medical workers and providing 5,000 more ventilators. Unless the measures are implemented in the next few days, they wrote, otherwise-avoidable deaths will occur.

"Intensive care specialists are already considering denying life-saving care to the sickest and giving priority to those patients most likely to survive when deciding who to provide ventilation to," they wrote. "In the near future, they will have no choice. They will have to follow the same rules that health-care workers are left with in conflict and disaster zones."

Countries on track for Hubei scenarios, ECDC warns

In its assessment today, the ECDC said the risk of severe disease is moderate for the general population but high for older people and those with underlying medical conditions. Increased community transmission may exceed health system capacities in the coming weeks, it said, and countries should act now to step up hospital infection control and surge capacity.

The ECDC said estimates for hospital care suggest that most European countries could reach Hubei province scenarios by the end of March, with all countries reaching that point by mid-April.

The group urged member countries to implement social distancing measures such as cancelling mass gatherings and cordoning off hotspots early to slow outbreaks and give health systems more time to prepare for an influx of patients.

The ECDC also recommended that countries designate COVID-19 facilities to minimize the transmission to other patients and conserve personal protective equipment (PPE) and identify facilities for managing those with milder symptoms. When resources are stretched or limited, the ECDC said countries should take rational approaches to conserve testing, contact tracing, PPE use, and hospitalization for high-yield situations.

Italy's health ministry today reported 2,651 new cases and 189 more deaths, raising its respective totals to 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. Spain's total today rose to 3,126 cases, with the addition of 782 more today. France's total rising to 2,876, with the addition of 595 more. The United Kingdom reported 134 new cases, boosting its total to 590.

Several European countries announced more steps to curb the spread of the virus. For example, Slovakia declared a state of emergency and shut schools and major airports, and the Netherlands banned events of more than 100 people and urged citizens to work from home, if possible.

 

[http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/ecdc-covid-19-not-containable-set-overwhelm-hospitals]

 

[N6_in_the_village]

And the following site seems to have the most up-to-date coronavirus statistics for the world and all countries. Very readable formats, too.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

[N6_in_the_village]

Oh something else important - keep in mind that "Total Cases" doesn't mean the total number of coronavirus cases that actually exist (in the world or a given country), it means the total number of cases CONFIRMED BY TESTING. So the testing rate, or number of tests per million people, is important, because when the infection rate is high but the testing rate is low, it is likely that many cases are missed.

As of March 9-10, some countries with HIGHER testing rates were:

Bahrain, 4910 per million

South Korea, 4099

Hong Kong, 2134

Italy, 1005

Some countries with LOWER testing rates were:

Japan, 76

Netherlands, 35

United States, 26

Vietnam, 24

Turkey, 10

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

 

 

 

 

[gnarley_boy12]

12 hours ago, CallieVane said:

Can we get a source for this because I haven’t heard it from a single reporting source and it sounds like straight up scare tactics to incite unnecessary panic? 

I agree. Just take what should be normal precautions which a lot of us are usually lax on. Wash hands before eating, as soon as you get home from anywhere and if you go to a gym spray equipment both before and after use.

[Audrey Astor]

Well shoot... at this point I’m worried about sanity. All the littles are going to be in the home for the next few weeks as opposed to school.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️  

[Strange_Ice]

On 3/12/2020 at 9:40 AM, ilovewomen said:

Let's get a grip on reality.

So far roughly 126,000 people worldwide have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.  Roughly 1,300 in the U.S. 33 here in Colorado. There have been 4,600 deaths worldwide.  38 deaths in the U.S.  No deaths in Colorado.

If you are 50 or younger (which more than likely includes all the ladies on TOB) and in good health, you should only have mild symptoms....mild cough, mild fever runny nose, etc.   If you are 60 and older (which a lot of the guys here are) and/or have underlying health problems, you are at a higher risk for severe symptoms and/or death.

I fall into the high risk category and I'm not worried.  I will do my due diligence. Keep up my hygiene and all the other things we are supposed to do to help prevent the spread of colds and the flu and I should be alright.  That also goes for the rest of the old farts here. 

Be concerned, be cautious, but don't panic or freak out.

This right here in bold is the biggest thing..... Yes be concerned and cautious but people really should stop blowing things as far out of proportion as it is... I personally think the media is a big problem because they blow things up and cause panic by over broadcasting all the negative issues and rarely saying anything positive in any way

[Bit Banger]

Why do I keep FDR saying, 

“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

As someone here at the ranch said this morning, “With all these closings is there something they’re not telling us?”(paraphrase)

[JoDoe27]

19 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Why do I keep FDR saying, 

“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

As someone here at the ranch said this morning, “With all these closings is there something they’re not telling us?”(paraphrase)

I’m not calling you old, but for this I’m calling you old. LOL!

Has there been anything you can remember in recent history and further back that’s hit almost every state like this? Additionally has there been anything you can remember that affected or potentially affected the health of politicians? 

I think what’s happening in Italy has people concerned. They basically ignored it and now their hospitals are maxed out and people are starting to die. So if I take that as an example (since next to nothing is coming out China on numbers) and apply it here I can understand a desire to want to close up shop and hopefully keep people safe since it’s a new thing with no known cure of yet. 

[Devils91]

Hello everyone!  While not a reviewer...I have been hobbying for over 20 year and never have I been more concerned about my health than I am now...no doubt we all do what we can to protect ourselves in that respect.  COVID19 is a real threat and I can only encourage each and every one of us hobbyists and providers to be safe!  Protect yourselves and the rest of us by maintaining proper hygiene and for g-ds sake if you show any symptoms of illness, stay away.  Thank you!  🙏 

[Bit Banger]

35 minutes ago, JoDoe27 said:

 

Has there been anything you can remember in recent history and further back that’s hit almost every state like this? Additionally has there been anything you can remember that affected or potentially affected the health of politicians.

Interestingly - YES, to both.

You’re obviously too young to remember polio.  Probably born after the Salk vaccine was in common distribution(1955).  During the ‘52 season, 58K were infected (~0.03% of the population, ~120K scaled to 2020), >3K died, and >21K were left with permanent disability.(Wiki). As for politicians, FDR (previously mentioned) was a victim.

I remember swimming pools being closed during the peak of summer.  I remember wards filled with iron lungs.  I also remember going to the school gymnasium as a family for the first vaccination.  Since then polio has been eradicated in the US. And almost eradicated world wide thanks to the efforts of the Gates Foundation.  Some Islamic countries (notably Pakistan) have refused the vaccination programs.

I also remember when EVERYONE got a small pox vaccination.  Another disease virtually eradicated by modern medicine.

[JoDoe27]

6 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Interestingly - YES, to both.

You’re obviously too young to remember polio.  Probably born after the Salk vaccine was in common distribution(1955).  During the ‘52 season, 58K were infected (~0.03% of the population, ~120K scaled to 2020), >3K died, and >21K were left with permanent disability.(Wiki). As for politicians, FDR (previously mentioned) was a victim.

I remember swimming pools being closed during the peak of summer.  I remember wards filled with iron lungs.  I also remember going to the school gymnasium as a family for the first vaccination.  Since then polio has been eradicated in the US. And almost eradicated world wide thanks to the efforts of the Gates Foundation.  Some Islamic countries (notably Pakistan) have refused the vaccination programs.

I also remember when EVERYONE got a small pox vaccination.  Another disease virtually eradicated by modern medicine.

I didn’t even think of polio or small pox. One of my grandmothers suffered from it and pretty much all of my aunts and uncles have that polio vaccine scar. Same for me not thinking of small pox. 
 

Listening to Trump’s speech just now there was definitely a lot happening behind the scenes not made public leading up to this point of a deceleration of a national emergency. 

[johnnybgood]

Who's tired of hearing about all this doomsday stuff and just wants to find a sexy woman to spend some time with? I'm not going to worry about something I have no control over...I'm going to drink my fav beer(or two)tonight with a nice steak and meet a beautiful lady tomorrow and let off some steam!

Practice good hygiene and you will be just fine, if your sick stay away from others and vice versa...Have a great weekend!

[ilovewomen]

1 hour ago, JoDoe27 said:

I’m not calling you old, but for this I’m calling you old. LOL!

Has there been anything you can remember in recent history and further back that’s hit almost every state like this? Additionally has there been anything you can remember that affected or potentially affected the health of politicians? 

I think what’s happening in Italy has people concerned. They basically ignored it and now their hospitals are maxed out and people are starting to die. So if I take that as an example (since next to nothing is coming out China on numbers) and apply it here I can understand a desire to want to close up shop and hopefully keep people safe since it’s a new thing with no known cure of yet. 

The swine flu in 2009/2010. That hit every state and had all the politicians concerned. Everyone was concerned.

What we didn’t have with the swine flu was everyone predicting doomsday...even though the swine flu/H1N1 was hitting worldwide.

We will come out of this okay.

And hopefully the histrionics that are currently taking place do not become the new norm.

[Strange_Ice]

On 3/12/2020 at 0:33 PM, Admiral C said:

Life on Earth has dangers...it is just that simple. Historically, there is a pandemic every hundred years or so that claims millions of lives. Indeed the influenza pandemic that started in 1918 killed between 20 and 50 million people world wide. The plague that created the Dark Ages killed a third of the populations it infected.  Medical science seeks to keep up, or catch up, but it takes time, is not always successful, and is limited by what  it knows at the time. With a much  more dense population and global travel , pandemics.....serious pandemics, are questions of when, not if. Since it has been just over 100 years since the last one in 1918, people have forgotten these facts of life on Earth and hence many are totally freaking out.  Panic and fear are pointless. Understanding  that these things happen, taking reasonable precautions, and just being happy is the best approach.

This is exactly on point, with panic and fear comes more stress. Has it not been proven that the more stressed out you are the lower your immune system is? The more you stress over it, the more you are making your self susceptible to being affected by it in more of a negative manner.

[johnnybgood]

14 minutes ago, Strange_Ice said:

This is exactly on point, with panic and fear comes more stress. Has it not been proven that the more stressed out you are the lower your immune system is? The more you stress over it, the more you are making your self susceptible to being affected by it in more of a negative manner.

Exactly, so everyone relieve some stress this weekend!

Stress Management Tips

1. Keep a positive attitude during sex.
2. Accept that there are events that you cannot control and be happy she wants to see you.
3. Be assertive instead of aggressive. ...
4. Learn and practice relaxation techniques; try meditation, sex, yoga, or tai-chi for stress management.
5. Exercise with sex regularly. ...
6. Eat healthy, well-balanced meals but not before sex.

Glad to help....

[Afmedic99]

Asking for a friend: are hand gel and toilet paper acceptable gifts for a visit with their favorite provider?  Seriously, Clients: are you thinking about standing down from visiting providers for a while?  Providers: are you changing your travel plans or practices?

[Alex Majors]

I believe they might be more worried if all the workers who keep essential services going, are laid low for a week or two.  Then there would be panic. Anarchy.  Trash in the streets. Etc. Etc. Look at all the run on stores for items to hunker down with. The virus will spread. It has spread. It will run its course like every other disease. The strong will survive. The weak die. That is life