Posted January 20, 2020 So the price of the adds went up but u can't say or do anything in the add and it's not as busy as it use to be I was already having a hard time with it being more than my phone bill and with cost of hotels idk if I can keep coming to Denver if it's going to go up like this and im limited way more than other sites we can't say anything in them like we could so why raise the price 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chloeblue83 said: So the price of the adds went up but u can't say or do anything in the add and it's not as busy as it use to be I was already having a hard time with it being more than my phone bill and with cost of hotels idk if I can keep coming to Denver if it's going to go up like this and im limited way more than other sites we can't say anything in them like we could so why raise the price Yeah I wish at least there was some kind of upgrade to the ad or site. Or even more featured spots. Or maybe being notified when someone shares their profile. But in reality we’re lucky to have this, in this day and age there’s not much left for safe tools. And of course people will complain if you raise your rate at all. There’s so many threads about it already. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 The increase isn't much and we really are blessed to have this site up and fully functioning. This could have become ECCIE. Count your blessings instead of focusing on your struggles. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said: So the price of the adds went up but u can't say or do anything in the add and it's not as busy as it use to be I was already having a hard time with it being more than my phone bill and with cost of hotels idk if I can keep coming to Denver if it's going to go up like this and im limited way more than other sites we can't say anything in them like we could so why raise the price Look at it this way: TOB is still here and operating and you can still advertise here as opposed to ECCIE. You can still say who you are, just like before the price increase. I don't have any first hand knowledge, but I bet the cost for an ad for a month is not very much. Take the monthly rate and divide that by 30 days. I bet you will look at the daily cost as minuscule. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 Here is what I found in the less than 5 minutes: On your TOB profile, there is no link to anything outside of TOB. You have a phone number listed. Googling that I found some posts on Eretic Monkey with a reference to a P411 account, OneBackpage, and EscortFish with a reference to Private Delights. I find no listing on P411 for Chloeblue83 or various text in CO or AZ where the EM post is. I am able to see what you enjoy and your rates from the above sites. Have you thought about a simple website? I would think you can put what ever you like on a website? Then place a link in your TOB profile. If you have a P411 account, you can put a link to it in your TOB profile. Best wishes in the new year. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ilovewomen said: Look at it this way: TOB is still here and operating and you can still advertise here as opposed to ECCIE. You can still say who you are, just like before the price increase. I don't have any first hand knowledge, but I bet the cost for an ad for a month is not very much. Take the monthly rate and divide that by 30 days. I bet you will look at the daily cost as minuscule. Not when u set just enough the day before to pay n u wake up screwed because u didn't know it increased and every penny counts why the increase if the service isn't better and u can go a day or two without calls plus everything else I pay for it's not adding up I'm spinning my wheels 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, frankenthaler91 said: Here is what I found in the less than 5 minutes: On your TOB profile, there is no link to anything outside of TOB. You have a phone number listed. Googling that I found some posts on Eretic Monkey with a reference to a P411 account, OneBackpage, and EscortFish with a reference to Private Delights. I find no listing on P411 for Chloeblue83 or various text in CO or AZ where the EM post is. I am able to see what you enjoy and your rates from the above sites. Have you thought about a simple website? I would think you can put what ever you like on a website? Then place a link in your TOB profile. If you have a P411 account, you can put a link to it in your TOB profile. Best wishes in the new year. I'm not putting up a website if u got caught with that it's not good I don't even like taking $ online with racketeering charges being possible I do have p411 but what does this have to do with the price of the adds putting all my info on here! Also if this thread don't apply to u then it doesn't apply but it does to me because I love Denver but if I can't afford to it effects me n it sucks alot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chloeblue83 said: I'm not putting up a website if u got caught with that it's not good I don't even like taking $ online with racketeering charges being possible I do have p411 but what does this have to do with the price of the adds putting all my info on here! 17 minutes ago, Chloeblue83 said: Not when u set just enough the day before to pay n u wake up screwed because u didn't know it increased and every penny counts why the increase if the service isn't better and u can go a day or two without calls plus everything else I pay for it's not adding up I'm spinning my wheels I can see we are going to beat our heads against the wall trying to explain life to you. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 Chloe, text me and I will help. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, ilovewomen said: Look at it this way: TOB is still here and operating and you can still advertise here as opposed to ECCIE. You can still say who you are, just like before the price increase. I don't have any first hand knowledge, but I bet the cost for an ad for a month is not very much. Take the monthly rate and divide that by 30 days. I bet you will look at the daily cost as minuscule. Lol. Wow you know it all, don’t ya. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 If clients take our rate and divide it by the amount of days they thirst for a session, then damn I think we all might be under-charging! 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said: I'm not putting up a website if u got caught with that it's not good I don't even like taking $ online with racketeering charges being possible I do have p411 but what does this have to do with the price of the adds putting all my info on here! Also if this thread don't apply to u then it doesn't apply but it does to me because I want to be able to visit here I love Denver but if I can't afford to it effects me n it sucks alot 3 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said: I'm not putting up a website if u got caught with that it's not good I don't even like taking $ online with racketeering charges being possible I do have p411 but what does this have to do with the price of the adds putting all my info on here! Also if this thread don't apply to u then it doesn't apply but it does to me because I love Denver but if I can't afford to it effects me n it sucks alot The intent of my post was to show what a gentleman seeing your ad here would go through to research you. I see your ad, I look at your profile. I use what is available to see if we would be a good fit on a date. You are expressing a concern that you can not say/do anything in your ad. Can you help me understand the difference between saying/doing something in an ad vs. a website? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 Chloe, I'm so sorry sweetheart. The gents don't have a full grasp of what it's like from a provider standpoint. They think they do but they really don't, or maybe they're understanding with certain ladies and not with others. Adds (that's for you Bit), hotels, traveling expenses, it all adds up fast and sometimes we work our butts off, but after expenses we just manage to pay our bills and not really get ahead. That's not always the case and it's different from provider to provider, but for a lot of ladies, that's what it's like. For me paying the extra $ is a no brainer. It's the cost of doing business, and this is how I earn my living, and I get good clients from TOB. For some ladies, it's not an easy decision. They feel they don't get enough clients here for it to be cost effective, and some have opted to drop their ads. Only time will tell. If they lose enough revenue, I'm sure they'll be back. If everything stays the same, they'll know they made the right decision. Good luck whatever you decide Chloe. Hugs to you. 💙 TOB, thanks for sticking around. I'd much rather have this decision to make than not. 💋 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said: The gents don't have a full grasp of what it's like from a provider standpoint. Having lived with, and been the S/O, of a provider, for 5 years, I know this is true. I earned more than she did most of the time, and I'm solidly working class. Her expenses were quite high. Incall (in addition to personal mortgage payments), body and hair maintenance, ads, vehicle, clothing, and on and on. It's small business with lots of overhead! 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said: Chloe, I'm so sorry sweetheart. The gents don't have a full grasp of what it's like from a provider standpoint. They think they do but they really don't, or maybe they're understanding with certain ladies and not with others. Adds (that's for you Bit), hotels, traveling expenses, it all adds up fast and sometimes we work our butts off, but after expenses we just manage to pay our bills and not really get ahead. That's not always the case and it's different from provider to provider, but for a lot of ladies, that's what it's like. For me paying the extra $ is a no brainer. It's the cost of doing business, and this is how I earn my living, and I get good clients from TOB. For some ladies, it's not an easy decision. They feel they don't get enough clients here for it to be cost effective, and some have opted to drop their ads. Only time will tell. If they lose enough revenue, I'm sure they'll be back. If everything stays the same, they'll know they made the right decision. Good luck whatever you decide Chloe. Hugs to you. 💙 TOB, thanks for sticking around. I'd much rather have this decision to make than not. 💋 I do love tob and not trying to just complain about it but it was super unexpected today luckily I figured it out like usual but it is getting harder... I wish we got a lil more for the increase 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 Chloe I understand where you are coming from. They call this a hobby but it is business. Every call you get doesn't turn into a paying customer. Every appointment isn't kept. Some people think you do 40hrs a week at your rate, just like they do 40hrs. We know this isn't true. There are peaks and troughs. Good weeks and bad ones. You have to have reliable transport, an incall, keep yourself maintained (hair, nails, make-up, outfits,etc), phone, ads, etc. If you are sick, you don't get paid. There are no paid holidays or vacations. No retirement. From what you make, you have rent/mortgage, utilities, insurance, car insurance, food, and other necessities. It is only good business to see where it all goes. Decide what works and doesn't work. If the perceived value isn't worth the cost, in business it is eliminated. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said: I do love tob and not trying to just complain about it but it was super unexpected today luckily I figured it out like usual but it is getting harder... I wish we got a lil more for the increase Dear ChloeBlue83, Perhaps you don't understand the context here, or why TOB has these rules and limits on your advertising. In the past, TOB allowed providers to include whatever they wanted in their ads, within reason and taste. Then the federal government in Washington passed legislation to "fight human trafficking" which is known as SESTA/Foster in 2017. SESTA/Foster established certain tests as to whether or not a website was facilitating human trafficking. If the government determined that a specific website met one or more of these tests, the site owners were at risk of shutdown, severe fines, and worse. So, TOB changed its policy to what you have today. Allowing more would put them at risk, and eliminate TOB as a source of advertising for you and the other providers who use the service here. Granted, the state of advertising on TOB is a compromise, but it is what it has to be in today's climate of fear and persecution of SW. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, Old_Timer said: Dear ChloeBlue83, Perhaps you don't understand the context here, or why TOB has these rules and limits on your advertising. In the past, TOB allowed providers to include whatever they wanted in their ads, within reason and taste. Then the federal government in Washington passed legislation to "fight human trafficking" which is known as SESTA/Foster in 2017. SESTA/Foster established certain tests as to whether or not a website was facilitating human trafficking. If the government determined that a specific website met one or more of these tests, the site owners were at risk of shutdown, severe fines, and worse. So, TOB changed its policy to what you have today. Allowing more would put them at risk, and eliminate TOB as a source of advertising for you and the other providers who use the service here. Granted, the state of advertising on TOB is a compromise, but it is what it has to be in today's climate of fear and persecution of SW. I know all about fosta hun it's my job I never said we need to list prices Im saying sense we r soooo limited on what we can say and things r still slow why increase anything when it's getting so hard but I solved the issue and now I know to check n not assume it's the same price 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 ChloeBlue83 I’m sorry for your situation, I’m glad you figured it out. I work with a lot of small businesses and entrepreneurs and they have the same thing happen to them all the time, most people have no idea how much it cost to run a business. My hat is off to you and every entrepreneur who finds a way to make it happen. I’m sure TOB had to raise their prices to make their business work also. I’m grateful for this community and platform that allows us all to connect and have fun while being safe. I wish you well in your business. Keep your head up and be proud of the fact that even when times are tough you figure it out. That is the sign of a winner. The Coach 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Old_Timer said: Dear ChloeBlue83, Perhaps you don't understand the context here, or why TOB has these rules and limits on your advertising. In the past, TOB allowed providers to include whatever they wanted in their ads, within reason and taste. Then the federal government in Washington passed legislation to "fight human trafficking" which is known as SESTA/Foster in 2017. SESTA/Foster established certain tests as to whether or not a website was facilitating human trafficking. If the government determined that a specific website met one or more of these tests, the site owners were at risk of shutdown, severe fines, and worse. So, TOB changed its policy to what you have today. Allowing more would put them at risk, and eliminate TOB as a source of advertising for you and the other providers who use the service here. Granted, the state of advertising on TOB is a compromise, but it is what it has to be in today's climate of fear and persecution of SW. Coach, quite a few providers would disagree with this statement. There have always been rules, and "within reason and taste" can be subjective. Just like with reviews, what gets approved sometimes will get denied a different time. It's actually one of the biggest complaints with providers pre and post sesta/fosta. Again, what you are saying is coming from a client perpective which is much different than a providers perspective. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 Well I know I'm gonna catch alot of crap on this one but I'm gonna say it anyhow! Why isn't EVERYONE paying for the use of this site? As a p411 member everyone pays even if they just look. Seems like a safer business model as well. Costs should be shared by all, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't be here. Just my 2 cents.... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said: Coach, quite a few providers would disagree with this statement. There have always been rules, and "within reason and taste" can be subjective. Just like with reviews, what gets approved sometimes will get denied a different time. It's actually one of the biggest complaints with providers pre and post sesta/fosta. Again, what you are saying is coming from a client perpective which is much different than a providers perspective. Hunter, not sure I understand? That isn’t my comment did I get tied to that comment some how? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, Thecoach said: Hunter, not sure I understand? That isn’t my comment did I get tied to that comment some how? Blame it on sleepiness and too much going on. My apologies coach! 💋💋💋 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 I barely make it week to week, sometimes I'm up sometimes I'm down. When I'm up it's awesome and when it's down I'm an ass hole. I'm grateful that we still have tob bcz alot of the other sites SUCK. And when I cant pay my tob bill I hate life. I started saving all my change in a water cooler bottle. l've cashed in change to pay my tob bill... I hate that the rate went up but you gotta take the good with the bad. Chloe keep your head up doll. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 20 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said: I know all about fosta hun it's my job I never said we need to list prices Im saying sense we r soooo limited on what we can say and things r still slow why increase anything when it's getting so hard but I solved the issue and now I know to check n not assume it's the same price Sorry if I misread you post. Glad that you have a good head on your shoulders and are aware of pitfalls in the marketplace. I guess in a perfect world all providers would have received prior notice of the price change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 12 hours ago, johnnybgood said: Well I know I'm gonna catch alot of crap on this one but I'm gonna say it anyhow! Why isn't EVERYONE paying for the use of this site? As a p411 member everyone pays even if they just look. Seems like a safer business model as well. Costs should be shared by all, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't be here. Just my 2 cents.... I don't think you should catch a lot of crap and I get your point from an idealistic perspective. However, if guys were asked to pay, I think it would be financial Armageddon for many of the ladies and hurt them all. For comparison...consider the financial impact to Amazon if they made buying an Amazon Prime membership a requirement to shop or buy anything. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Admiral C said: I don't think you should catch a lot of crap and I get your point from an idealistic perspective. However, if guys were asked to pay, I think it would be financial Armageddon for many of the ladies and hurt them all. For comparison...consider the financial impact to Amazon if they made buying an Amazon Prime membership a requirement to shop or buy anything. It doesn't seem to be a financial Armageddon for P411 or the ladies on P411. Plenty of clients and providers were waiting for them to open the gates again. 🤷♀️ It's actually a free site for providers to advertise on unless you have a feature or top 10 ad. Edited January 21, 2020 by Hunter VanDyke 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 Yes I pay for my P411. I am able to just ask a girl for a appointment on a certain day and time. That is all that is required, nothing else. So the convenience of being screened and setting up a date with a verified girl, is what I value. If TOB included the same model and had any following in KC, I would go with it, because I like these forums too. I won't pay for multiple sites. The girls will usually gravitate to the best one anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 15 hours ago, johnnybgood said: Well I know I'm gonna catch alot of crap on this one but I'm gonna say it anyhow! Why isn't EVERYONE paying for the use of this site? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2020 15 hours ago, johnnybgood said: Well I know I'm gonna catch alot of crap on this one but I'm gonna say it anyhow! Why isn't EVERYONE paying for the use of this site? As a p411 member everyone pays even if they just look. Seems like a safer business model as well. Costs should be shared by all, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't be here. Just my 2 cents.... I would be interested in hearing from TOB management on this topic. Has it been considered? I dont need another bill, but charging participants seems to be a workable business model (P411, TER). One potential benefit - a nominal charge may discourage some of those non-serious time wasters we hear about from our beloved providers. I dont see many real hobbyists in CO bailing out on TOB - the best local source- based on a small fee. Maybe we can get a marketing intern to do some research..... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites