The "No Black Men" ASP

[YOLO]

Hello All,

As a fairly new hobbyist, I have always wondered, why no love for black men from so many ASP?

As a black man who isn't attracted to women of the same nationality, this is something that is always the first thing I do, and I always think... Oh she is hot, Im sure she has *NO AA* and 95% of the time Im right.

I have asked a few times and Ive always got the, "if only all other black guys were like you" but because my voice is a clear giveaway, I have also gotten hung up on, a lot.

Suggestions on my dilemma? Any better explanations to help me sleep better at night?

Thanks!

-YOLO

[frankenthaler91]

Hello All,

As a fairly new hobbyist, I have always wondered, why no love for black men from so many ASP?

As a black man who isn't attracted to women of the same nationality, this is something that is always the first thing I do, and I always think... Oh she is hot, Im sure she has *NO AA* and 95% of the time Im right.

I have asked a few times and Ive always got the, "if only all other black guys were like you" but because my voice is a clear giveaway, I have also gotten hung up on, a lot.

Suggestions on my dilemma? Any better explanations to help me sleep better at night?

Thanks!

-YOLO

Well............. why no love for the black woman?

[Zombiehottubrevival]

Hello All,

As a fairly new hobbyist, I have always wondered, why no love for black men from so many ASP?

As a black man who isn't attracted to women of the same nationality, this is something that is always the first thing I do, and I always think... Oh she is hot, Im sure she has *NO AA* and 95% of the time Im right.

I have asked a few times and Ive always got the, "if only all other black guys were like you" but because my voice is a clear giveaway, I have also gotten hung up on, a lot.

Suggestions on my dilemma? Any better explanations to help me sleep better at night?

Thanks!

-YOLO

http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40850&highlight=black

[Happymon]

Well............. why no love for the black woman?

This may be way too subtle....

[lakerboy24]

I myself being pretty new to the hobby have wondered about this. I see the "no AA men" rule more times than not and to be honest it really makes me feel bad for AA men because it really limits their options. No offense to all you AA gentleman out there but I'm really glad I'm not AA!

[Guest pejo]

http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40850&highlight=black

^ This. Topic has been covered over and over and over . . .

[Sweet Hannah]

It's not going to hurt to ask the provider, not all advertise that. There are plenty of fish in the sea. I am sure you can find a few that will see you.

[stevie]

Maybe cuz aa men are known to have big peckers and they dont want that?

[bluefuzzyball]

Is that mean No Hispanics or Asians? Or just Blacks? Kinda confused. LOL.

[MAG]

Maybe cuz aa men are known to have big peckers and they dont want that?

No, I think it's something else.

[macho]

I guess I could state the obvious and tell you to bleach your skin white, but I'm not going to tell you that. The best advice I can tell you is to accept that some won't see you. And be happy with that. Make a list of girls that will see you and you want to see. Also if you have spair time actually check with these girls that they will won't see you. A lot of times they are refuring to Alcoholics Anonymous not blacks. See a lot of providers had alcoholic fathers growing up so they have huge issues with alcoholics.

[inkspot]

I am sorry you are excluded because of your skin color.

The following is the best explanation I have seen written by a provider of color why she will not see black guys. Her blog is gentleprostatemassage.com

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SUNDAY, JUNE 2, 2013

I SWEAR I AM NOT A RACIST

OK guys sorry but I posted something in my ad.

It says black men need not call let me list the reasons

Oh but first let me say I have several black men that I see on a regular basis.

Number 1 Yo baby you fucking? asks the caller

Number 2 I get phone call all hours of the nite up til 4 am it clearly says don't call after nine pm

Number 3 how much to for head at 2 in the am

Number 4 You schedule an appointment you either don't show up or you call me 30 mins after your appointment time and say I am on my way.

Number 5 oh for 100 dollars I want some pussy.

And that is just the phone calls

I will not even tell you what happens in person

no pay, rude, wont tip not that you have to. but if its 75 dollars and you demand 5 dollars change from me and get violent about it come on

So if my ad offends anyone sorry but I need to protect myself

And I am a black female And I shoud not be disrespected by my own race of men

POSTED BY ANGEL AT 7:53 PM 6 COMMENTS:

[Guest pejo]

Also if you have spair time actually check with these girls that they will won't see you. A lot of times they are refuring to Alcoholics Anonymous not blacks. See a lot of providers had alcoholic fathers growing up so they have huge issues with alcoholics.

Dude, that's cold. Sarcasm doesn't always come through well on chat boards, you know.

[Seeking ~P]

I have always wondered, why no love for black men?

I have always wondered why (some) black men let the NBA policy take up residence in their head?

Why is the NBA policy still being beaten to death? Why is it even a thread?

Why all the whining about it?

Why the use of trickery in trying to schedule an appt? I'm not saying you personally YOLO just in general.

Why do some black guys try and convince a NBA provider to see them?

Why waste time on someone who won't see you?

Why not try and see a provider who will see you? Where you know you'll

have a good time.

We all have choices/preferences in this. Why waste a second on who won't see you for whatever reasons?

I don't whine about someone not wanting to see me b/c i'm black, hell it's the buyers choice. Just the same as its my choice as a provider to decline someone for whatever reason it is b/c i know i wouldn't be comfortable w/that person.

I didn't whine b/c someone wouldn't see me b/c i was bald (by choice) at one time. Maybe more of my black skin was exposed by me not having any hair, IDK. Bald most likely isn't the buyers thing, just like black isn't their thing.

Point being it's not a shortage of providers who will see you. Why on earth would you waste one second on a few NBA providers?

Hope this helps a little in helping you sleep.

Why die disappointed?

[pitbull]

I was told early on that it had something to do with avoiding pimps. I thought it was because blacks were thought to be bad tippers, but apparently that is not the case in this world.

I have written before that it certainly WAS the case in the world of food servers. Even the black servers where I worked would try to avoid the black patrons. I'm not saying it was just or unjust, but that's just the way it was.

[Seeking ~P]

SUNDAY, JUNE 2, 2013

I SWEAR I AM NOT A RACIST

OK guys sorry but I posted something in my ad.

It says black men need not call let me list the reasons

Oh but first let me say I have several black men that I see on a regular basis.

Number 1 Yo baby you fucking? asks the caller

Number 2 I get phone call all hours of the nite up til 4 am it clearly says don't call after nine pm

Number 3 how much to for head at 2 in the am

Number 4 You schedule an appointment you either don't show up or you call me 30 mins after your appointment time and say I am on my way.

Number 5 oh for 100 dollars I want some pussy.

And that is just the phone calls

I will not even tell you what happens in person

no pay, rude, wont tip not that you have to. but if its 75 dollars and you demand 5 dollars change from me and get violent about it come on

So if my ad offends anyone sorry but I need to protect myself

And I am a black female And I shoud not be disrespected by my own race of men

POSTED BY ANGEL AT 7:53 PM 6 COMMENTS:

All true. I could add a whole lot more to this but don't have that much time

[BasilBailey]

I think its funny that its considered fact black ppl are bad tippers. I was a bar tender and waiter as a black male and I laughed at my fellow coworkers who didnt want a black table. I would take in a heartbeat because I always got tipped towards the service I provided. This is not an earned stereotype by any means. Its the attitude most waiters and waitresses present when walking up to a black table, they have a mind set that they will be tipped bad and it shows through there service and in return they get what they deserve.

Im glad someone linked the 2nd thread and ppl seemed to avoid the stereotype of mass murders being white but that seems to not bother anyone.

[Gambit63]

I am sorry you are excluded because of your skin color.

The following is the best explanation I have seen written by a provider of color why she will not see black guys. Her blog is gentleprostatemassage.com

****************************************************************

SUNDAY, JUNE 2, 2013

I SWEAR I AM NOT A RACIST

OK guys sorry but I posted something in my ad.

It says black men need not call let me list the reasons

Oh but first let me say I have several black men that I see on a regular basis.

Number 1 Yo baby you fucking? asks the caller

Number 2 I get phone call all hours of the nite up til 4 am it clearly says don't call after nine pm

Number 3 how much to for head at 2 in the am

Number 4 You schedule an appointment you either don't show up or you call me 30 mins after your appointment time and say I am on my way.

Number 5 oh for 100 dollars I want some pussy.

And that is just the phone calls

I will not even tell you what happens in person

no pay, rude, wont tip not that you have to. but if its 75 dollars and you demand 5 dollars change from me and get violent about it come on

So if my ad offends anyone sorry but I need to protect myself

And I am a black female And I shoud not be disrespected by my own race of men

POSTED BY ANGEL AT 7:53 PM 6 COMMENTS:

Ok. I know that this has been covered and covered and covered, but as a black male (not AA, born here not from the continent of Africa) it is a little frustrating.

Sure, if a provider post no "AA" I can seek companionship elsewhere, and due. But it comes up sooo often. I don't fit any of the "numbers" listed (curious how she got black regulars when she doesn't see black men?) but how do you know if I can't even call. Yes, I know; provider safety, preference, desire, etc.. All that is important but I don't even get the chance. Then there are the post that don't mention AA, so I place the call, things seem to click, then here comes the question; "If you don't mind, what race are you?" (I don't "sound" black). And guess what; "Oh, sorry. I don't see black men" click. Yes, I'm older -not a "thug"- respectful, polite, but I was the same in my youth.

People can see who they want and when they want -no fault there- just understand the frustration. That is why this topic keeps coming up.

[dj278]

The frustration is understandable. This is the one aspect of the hobby that bothers me, although I am not directly affected by it.

It seems to me that a phone conversation would easily convey that one is decent and not a thug, regardless of collective, and that that would trump stereotypes. But, lots of people love their generalizations that pass for wisdom...

[pitbull]

I think its funny that its considered fact black ppl are bad tippers. I was a bar tender and waiter as a black male and I laughed at my fellow coworkers who didnt want a black table. I would take in a heartbeat because I always got tipped towards the service I provided. This is not an earned stereotype by any means. Its the attitude most waiters and waitresses present when walking up to a black table, they have a mind set that they will be tipped bad and it shows through there service and in return they get what they deserve.

Im glad someone linked the 2nd thread and ppl seemed to avoid the stereotype of mass murders being white but that seems to not bother anyone.

Sorry Basil, but the stereotype proved correct OVER AND OVER. I experimented with the phenomenon many times, giving fantastic service to black couples. 90% of the time less than 15% -- much less. The servers compared notes, tried various experiments, up to and including giving out free desserts for various made-up reasons. It all ended up the same way -- bad tips. I had absolutely no "attitude" other than a good one. That was in the early 1990s in southern California, so perhaps it has changed? I don't know, but to call it an un-earned stereotype is simply false. Again, I don't know why, but the black servers sure seemed to know. They would tip the hostess to direct any black deuce AWAY from their stations. Happened all the time. Maybe it's different in 2015. I'm just reporting the news. I have no real value judgment about any of it. As they say in 2015, "it is what it is."

[freewheelin]

Suggestions on my dilemma? Any better explanations to help me sleep better at night?

Reading through many of these same discussions over the years, it seems like the fact is that for most of the providers, it's not that they aren't attracted to black men, but that they've had bad experiences with them arriving and being rude, wanting to become their pimp, and generally being bad clients, so they decide it's a better business and personal strategy to just not waste their time booking with any of them.

I'm not a shill for P411, but I think this is a situation where it could be helpful. Get as many oks as you can, and when you send an appointment request, include a message with something like this: "My name is Joe, I'm a 48-year-old, respectful, professional black man. I'm an experienced hobbyist and I know all the rules and customs. I'd like to get together on Thursday night, etc..." If there is a prior ASP you have a good relationship with, especially if it's one that's well known locally, you might ask her if it's ok to include her as a reference and add in your P411 message to feel free to send a message to your reference and that she will vouch for you.

Undoubtedly, you'll get some replies from ladies saying they don't see AA men, and some won't respond at all. But I think by doing whatever you can to show up-front that you're not a disrespectful, rude, cheap client, you'll be bettering your chances.

In your original post, you seem to hint that you think the "hotties" are more likely to have a "no AA" policy, and that's frustrating. Probably you're right, I haven't ever done a study or analyzed the subject closely. But if it's any consolation, keep in mind that the "young hotties" are MUCH more likely to not respond to appointment requests or flake out on us white guys, as well. It's just the way it is...

[macho]

I can't remeber if I told you to bleach your skin but another thing you can do is talk to your doctor and tell him you need cialis. Wait ...Talk to a sociologist and tell them.

Edited March 22, 2015 by macho
Not doctor but sociologist

[sparkey600]

And over and over and over........

[Gizzicka Dior]

I'm sorry to hear this has happened to you, hopefully it will get better with time since you are a new hobbyist. After sometime, being seen by more providers, posting on the board, writting reviews, etc. will make your name "ok" to providers.

Also maybe trying p411 then everytime you see a lady and you guys have a great time she can give you a "ok" to let other providers know that you are the gentleman you say you are.

I'm obviously not a hobbyist so sorry for butting in, just hope it helps a bit!

Good Luck!!!

[LongFellowDeeds]

To the OP had the same issue when I started out. I have a small list of a few I've see that have no issue. PM for the list

[Madison Monroe-6320]

I can't speak for every provider out there but I don't see black men just for the fact that I got robbed and its less drama to deal with

[Guest]

I can't speak for every provider out there but I don't see black men just for the fact that I got robbed and its less drama to deal with

Im sorry this happen to you, really sucks. But white guys rob too. I treat even equal when it comes to race.

[csm007]

I can't speak for every provider out there but I don't see black men just for the fact that I got robbed and its less drama to deal with

Lucky you didn't get raped and/or beat up as well. This story is from another board (not sure if I can post a link):

I'm sorry to be so graffic I just don't want to see this happen to anyone else. I got a call off of naughtyreviews to do an Outcall to Hollywood and nellis in Vegas. Man seemed to very timid said he worked at MGM and just moved to to Vegas. My sound of his voice I thought he was white but when I got to the door he was black. Which isn't usually and issue for me. Looked like he just moved in which fit with his story so no need to be alarmed and he also had military clothing so actually made me feel safer. Stupid mistake on my behalf. He keep saying his dick was small and he was sorry it wasn't big enough for me. This was a a distraction form what was about yo happen. He left money on table for a 1/2 of my time and we had some fun. Once it was finished he told me "'BITCH' you aren't getting paid get the fuck out my house'" he grabbed my purse and phone shook it up side down and proceeded to call me every name in the book after I swang at him and tried to get my purse back told him yo keep the money just give me my things he grabbed a knife and forced me to have sex with him again and made me place with my self while he had a knife in his hanf tge whole time.Thank god he still had the condom on.Then kicked me out of his house. He threw my phone at me he kept my brand new MK purse that was a gift form a very good regular of mine. He finished up by telling me I was a good Lil bitch and I would make him so much money. This is why I never bring anything more then a phone with me to a call. I hope that girls in Vegas read this and proceed with caution very scary moment and I'm am blessed so wall out with only a scratch on my arm.

[Guest]

We recently had a white guy who was hurting providers, he was on the run and LE was looking for him.

[Guest]

I SWEAR I AM NOT A RACIST

OK guys sorry but I posted something in my ad.

It says black men need not call let me list the reasons

Oh but first let me say I have several black men that I see on a regular basis.

This may be the most schizophrenic thing I've read on this board.

I'm not black, but I'll tell you, when I see this in an ad, it does put me off a bit. Reality check. If you treat people differently based on the color of their skin, you are a racist. I believe that's the definition.

I get it. There's a culture out there that I am, thank God, not a part of. But I have news for you. It's not just black men who act that way. If I were a provider, I'd want no part of that either. But they're not hard to identify. Why bother to post that in an ad? If someone contacts you in a way that's not appropriate, just ignore them. If they're decent, respectful, and easy to deal with, let them book time with you. Why bring race into it? The objectionable behavior described has a lot more to do with class than race.