Posted September 2, 2020 It's worth whatever someone will pay for it. Don't forget, ladies love it when you haggle with them. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 6, 2021 On 8/24/2020 at 1:00 PM, scottiep33 said: I have not found any quality in the $250 range at all. It's definitely worth spending more to get better quality providers. The ladies just starting out seem to be asking for established well known provider donations instead of working their way up and building a reputation. The side chic reference was just a joke. Side chicks are a bad idea in general because all side chicks are looking to be in the starting lineup. Lol Please, note that I'm not saying an increase in donations is bad, just making an observation, and giving a some feedback from a clients perspective. For those who have increased to have less clients, I find this beneficial for both parties. Lower clientele feels good, because visits are normally spaced out so when I arrive and everything is fresh and clean I feel like I'm the only one seen that day. A lot of assumptions made, but I get what you're saying. This post wasn't targeted at anyone, nor was I complaining. If someone is offended by anything said, it is their choice to be offended. I definitely won't bite my tongue based on what someone might feel, or based on possibly being denied service because of a chat topic. I'm actually ok with whatever the donation is, if its someone i wanna spend time with. I was just pointing out that for some providers the increase will cut down on clients because most clients wanna know they're getting quality, so the established providers will see an increase, and the less established providers might not see the clients who were willing to try them out. Of course this is only my prospective so I could be wrong, which is fine with me. Just making an observation, not saying whether someone's donations is too high. You're right everyone gets to decide their worth, and I would never try and negotiate a person's self worth. My question is how do you go about addressing the issue with a provider when they post request donation amount instead of posting rates I'm never going to tell someone they're overcharging because they know their self value and have a business model. I've told them I'm sorry I'm only looking to spend x amount and they've responded they can do hh or qv. I apologized and said I prefer the hr. One thought I was being cheap and haggling I tried to explain I prefer hr because I enjoy the foreplay maybe even more than the main event 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, budmic said: One thought I was being cheap and haggling You are haggling. You're offering less than the posted rate. That's haggling. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 6, 2021 On 8/24/2020 at 1:00 PM, scottiep33 said: I have not found any quality in the $250 range at all. It's definitely worth spending more to get better quality providers. The ladies just starting out seem to be asking for established well known provider donations instead of working their way up and building a reputation. The side chic reference was just a joke. Side chicks are a bad idea in general because all side chicks are looking to be in the starting lineup. Lol Please, note that I'm not saying an increase in donations is bad, just making an observation, and giving a some feedback from a clients perspective. For those who have increased to have less clients, I find this beneficial for both parties. Lower clientele feels good, because visits are normally spaced out so when I arrive and everything is fresh and clean I feel like I'm the only one seen that day. A lot of assumptions made, but I get what you're saying. This post wasn't targeted at anyone, nor was I complaining. If someone is offended by anything said, it is their choice to be offended. I definitely won't bite my tongue based on what someone might feel, or based on possibly being denied service because of a chat topic. I'm actually ok with whatever the donation is, if its someone i wanna spend time with. I was just pointing out that for some providers the increase will cut down on clients because most clients wanna know they're getting quality, so the established providers will see an increase, and the less established providers might not see the clients who were willing to try them out. Of course this is only my prospective so I could be wrong, which is fine with me. Just making an observation, not saying whether someone's donations is too high. You're right everyone gets to decide their worth, and I would never try and negotiate a person's self worth. -1 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 5:24 AM, budmic said: My question is how do you go about addressing the issue with a provider when they post request donation amount instead of posting rates I'm never going to tell someone they're overcharging because they know their self value and have a business model. I've told them I'm sorry I'm only looking to spend x amount and they've responded they can do hh or qv. I apologized and said I prefer the hr. One thought I was being cheap and haggling I tried to explain I prefer hr because I enjoy the foreplay maybe even more than the main event You're not haggling by simply stating your preference. I really wish some the guys on here stop judging everything someone says that could potentially be taken the wrong way by a provider. Last thing we need is male cheerleaders when it comes to critiquing providers donation request. To answer your question the only way prices go back to normal is for guys to calm down, and only see the providers with reviews, and the new providers will either lower their prices to get reviews, or just stop visiting Denver. In Texas I hear the guys there dictate what providers charge because those guys come together as a united front. I'm not saying we do that, but there's definitely benefits to it. I'm sure one of the male cheerleaders will hate on this post as well. Lol On 3/6/2021 at 5:24 AM, budmic said: My question is how do you go about addressing the issue with a provider when they post request donation amount instead of posting rates I'm never going to tell someone they're overcharging because they know their self value and have a business model. I've told them I'm sorry I'm only looking to spend x amount and they've responded they can do hh or qv. I apologized and said I prefer the hr. One thought I was being cheap and haggling I tried to explain I prefer hr because I enjoy the foreplay maybe even more than the main event -4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, scottiep33 said: You're not haggling by simply stating your preference. I really wish some the guys on here stop judging everything someone says that could potentially be taken the wrong way by a provider. Last thing we need is male cheerleaders when it comes to critiquing providers donation request. You need to learn to use a dictionary. I'm no cheerleader, simply logical. haggle [ˈhaɡəl] VERB haggling (present participle) dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something. Edited March 9, 2021 by pfunk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, pfunk said: You need to learn to use a dictionary. I'm no cheerleader, simply logical. haggle [ˈhaɡəl] VERB haggling (present participle) dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something. My intent was not to haggle. She told me her rate for the hour. I apologized because I didn't want to spend that. The question I was trying to ask which evidently got lost is what's the proper etiquette when in that situation. I don't want to just not respond because I think that's rude. But I also don't want to appear to be haggling I'm sure there is a reason more providers are going the route of not posting rates and telling prospective clients to ask for rates. Perhaps they tour a lot and can be flexible depending on location. The easy thing of course is too only see providers who post rates but the best part of the hobby is to connect with different interesting people 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2021 5 hours ago, pfunk said: You need to learn to use a dictionary. I'm no cheerleader, simply logical. haggle [ˈhaɡəl] VERB haggling (present participle) dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something. You're right he was haggling. I really responded cause I always see guys tearing someone down. I jumped to his defense without processing the information. My apologies 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2021 Ive never negotiated with a provider (even though I negotiate multi million dollar contracts for a living) so I dont really know if it "works" or not. There is enough feedback from providers on this board to indicate that it is probably a bad idea. Best case scenario you get shut down and dont get to see the young lady. Worse case you spend time and money with someone who is probably unhappy with you. Kind of defeats the purpose. Pay the requested rate or move along. Lots of choices and price points here at the TOB Superstore..... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 10, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 5:42 PM, budmic said: My intent was not to haggle. She told me her rate for the hour. I apologized because I didn't want to spend that. The question I was trying to ask which evidently got lost is what's the proper etiquette when in that situation. I don't want to just not respond because I think that's rude. But I also don't want to appear to be haggling I also find it difficult to deal with this situation. You have my sympathies. I've actually stopped calling to find out rates, because I'm embarrassed, if I can't afford the rate. In the past, when she'd give me a rate out of my range, I'd apologize, and thank her for her time. As I said, it's embarrassing. I only book with escorts, when I can find a rate, and I'm comfortable with it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 10, 2021 On 3/9/2021 at 7:49 AM, sb1212 said: Ive never negotiated with a provider (even though I negotiate multi million dollar contracts for a living) so I dont really know if it "works" or not. There is enough feedback from providers on this board to indicate that it is probably a bad idea. Best case scenario you get shut down and dont get to see the young lady. Worse case you spend time and money with someone who is probably unhappy with you. Kind of defeats the purpose. Pay the requested rate or move along. Lots of choices and price points here at the TOB Superstore..... Wrong - worst case scenario is the lady makes a negative comment about you in their version of reviews. For the newbies, you need to realize that there are various services that compile reports from the ladies about the gentlemen and many of the ladies use those services to get your "report" as part of their screening. It is my understanding that "haggling" won't get you blacklisted, but it is a negative comment that can cause you to miss out on many more than that one lady. It is best to remember that what you say or do to one lady could become known to all. Frankly, I am glad of that. More to the point, I rarely have to ask for rates because I do my homework, but sometimes you just have to. If they quote an amount that is more than I am willing to pay, I simply say, "Thanks a lot, but that is a bit rich for my blood, but thanks for responding, and have a great day." Never had any problems at all. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2021 The point of the original post was the increasing rates....and yes... rates have gone crazy! resulting in the typical hobbyist not being able to hobby as much... or at all. Maybe we can propose that everyone goes back to 2017 rates for a week, a la “Denver restaurant week” and see what happens 😛 -1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) On 3/9/2021 at 8:14 PM, pfunk said: I also find it difficult to deal with this situation. You have my sympathies. I've actually stopped calling to find out rates, because I'm embarrassed, if I can't afford the rate. In the past, when she'd give me a rate out of my range, I'd apologize, and thank her for her time. As I said, it's embarrassing. I only book with escorts, when I can find a rate, and I'm comfortable with it. That's my feeling too. Also I always thought it was frowned upon to discuss money in a cold, first time, phone call. Edited March 17, 2021 by greybeard100 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, greybeard100 said: That's my feeling too. Also I always thought it was frowned upon to discuss money in a cold, first time, phone call. Lot of gray area here. If rates are posted somewhere (do your research) then no need to discuss. If not, I have never had an issue respectfully asking a provider to please let me know her 60/90 incall donation during the first communication during which I also suggest a day/ time to meet and provide access to referrals showing I am serious. Not clarifying rates early is a time waster for both. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/10/2021 at 8:18 PM, Todoesprivado said: The point of the original post was the increasing rates....and yes... rates have gone crazy! resulting in the typical hobbyist not being able to hobby as much... or at all. Maybe we can propose that everyone goes back to 2017 rates for a week, a la “Denver restaurant week” and see what happens 😛 Sure, if you mean everyone as in clients too, all go back to 2017 wages/income, landlords lower rent back to 2017, groceries ..... and etc., yeah, everyone. But when everything else has increased since 2017, why then (and HOW!) do you expect the ladies to hold rates of four years ago? It costs them a hell of a lot more to live in Colorado than it did four years ago, just like everyone else. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2021 10 hours ago, sb1212 said: Lot of gray area here. If rates are posted somewhere (do your research) then no need to discuss. If not, I have never had an issue respectfully asking a provider to please let me know her 60/90 incall donation during the first communication during which I also suggest a day/ time to meet and provide access to referrals showing I am serious. Not clarifying rates early is a time waster for both. I have never hesitated to ask "what is the donation for an hour of your time?", nor have I ever had the lady be upset. It is very much dependent upon how you ask. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2021 5 hours ago, gr8owl said: I have never hesitated to ask "what is the donation for an hour of your time?", nor have I ever had the lady be upset. It is very much dependent upon how you ask. ^^ this ^^ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2021 Why would you even make 300 dollar withdrawls to possibly be seen and discussed ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) Currently in Germany on business, although no hobbying is possible. Rates have been steady for the past decade or so. https://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc/showthread.php?t=278025 Edited March 21, 2021 by 2Big 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2021 What people fail to understand is that it's not about the money. The absolute figure is completely irrelevant. The only relevant question is: are you getting value? You can spend $100 and have a great time, or you could spend $1000 and it's an absolute shit show. To be honest, if Gianna Michaels gave me a call and said: he, 2Big, happy to see you for $1000/hour, I'd be there faster than lighting can strike. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 23, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 9:31 PM, gr8owl said: Sure, if you mean everyone as in clients too, all go back to 2017 wages/income, landlords lower rent back to 2017, groceries ..... and etc., yeah, everyone. But when everything else has increased since 2017, why then (and HOW!) do you expect the ladies to hold rates of four years ago? It costs them a hell of a lot more to live in Colorado than it did four years ago, just like everyone else. There goes my ‘fun’ proposition. In my defense, it was only for one week 😇 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 23, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 0:53 AM, 2Big said: What people fail to understand is that it's not about the money. The absolute figure is completely irrelevant. The only relevant question is: are you getting value? You can spend $100 and have a great time, or you could spend $1000 and it's an absolute shit show. To be honest, if Gianna Michaels gave me a call and said: he, 2Big, happy to see you for $1000/hour, I'd be there faster than lighting can strike. Funny thing is, the best experiences I've had, were not with super-hot-model-type girls, but average looking women (like somebody's mom) who love sex. For me that's just pure joy! I do agree, it is about value! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 30, 2021 On 25/08/2020 at 8:12 AM, johnnydog said: Seller sets price, buyer chooses to pay or not. Whining is unattractive Right 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 1, 2021 On 9/2/2020 at 0:06 AM, Mr.Pink said: It's worth whatever someone will pay for it. Don't forget, ladies love it when you haggle with them. Missed you😂😂 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 28, 2021 On 8/24/2020 at 1:00 PM, scottiep33 said: I have not found any quality in the $250 range at all. It's definitely worth spending more to get better quality providers. The ladies just starting out seem to be asking for established well known provider donations instead of working their way up and building a reputation. The side chic reference was just a joke. Side chicks are a bad idea in general because all side chicks are looking to be in the starting lineup. Lol Please, note that I'm not saying an increase in donations is bad, just making an observation, and giving a some feedback from a clients perspective. For those who have increased to have less clients, I find this beneficial for both parties. Lower clientele feels good, because visits are normally spaced out so when I arrive and everything is fresh and clean I feel like I'm the only one seen that day. A lot of assumptions made, but I get what you're saying. This post wasn't targeted at anyone, nor was I complaining. If someone is offended by anything said, it is their choice to be offended. I definitely won't bite my tongue based on what someone might feel, or based on possibly being denied service because of a chat topic. I'm actually ok with whatever the donation is, if its someone i wanna spend time with. I was just pointing out that for some providers the increase will cut down on clients because most clients wanna know they're getting quality, so the established providers will see an increase, and the less established providers might not see the clients who were willing to try them out. Of course this is only my prospective so I could be wrong, which is fine with me. Just making an observation, not saying whether someone's donations is too high. You're right everyone gets to decide their worth, and I would never try and negotiate a person's self worth. Things should be fresh and clean no matter what!! im just sayin' 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 6, 2021 On 8/24/2020 at 10:07 AM, scottiep33 said: I'm noticing that several providers have slowly creeped up on their donations. I'm definitely not one to tell anyone their worth, but how is it that the new $300 is now $400, or $500, now I'm seeing a lot of $600 providers. I guess the pros of the price change hopefully means providers are taking on less clients, so a lighter volume is something I find beneficial. One of the cons is that I will probably do this hobby lesser, and be a lot more selective about who I spend my time with. I used to enjoy giving new providers a try, knowing that potentially I could lose $200/ $250. Now I'm like "no new friends ", but a lot of the pre-covid providers have vanished. I think overall this donation increase will result in less money spent overall. It's a lot easier to explain to the significant other what a $300 withdrawal was for vs a $600 dollar withdrawal. I do this hobby because I don't wanna deal with the having a "side chick", but now the "side chick" option is looking a more tempting, and less expensive. Hell, if I give the side chick $600 per month, I'm probably gonna be able to smash anytime I want. Lol Will you guys ever learn to not try and run our business?? You think you have all the answers.... but as ive always said "we have the p@&$y , we make the rules!!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 7, 2021 18 hours ago, Ryann said: Will you guys ever learn to not try and run our business?? You think you have all the answers.... but as ive always said "we have the p@&$y , we make the rules!!! I absolutely love this! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 7, 2021 In most aspects of life it's the Golden rule - he who has the gold makes the rules. In the hobby, it is absolutely a seller's market - she who has the p@&$y makes the rules. Fortunately, the TOB Superstore has a wide range of choices, and rules that are usually easy to live with. Someone should do a grad school study on the socio-economic dynamics of the hobby. If adequate funding is made available I would volunteer to be part of the field research team....😁 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 7, 2021 6 hours ago, sb1212 said: …. Someone should do a grad school study on the socio-economic dynamics of the hobby. It’s been done. Reported on in Freakonomics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2021 If you have to ask , you probably cannot afford it. Just tell them you want to rent it not own it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
