Posted July 9, 2016 Am I the only one who is totally sick of the "I am a newbie and can't get a date, whine, moan, sniffle" crap? Every time someone starts one of these, it degenerates into a bunch of mud-slinging between providers and Johns about screening, increasing the FUD scale significantly. The friggin' newbies just need to know that they are about the enter into a sporting fraternity that not only indulges in the greatest sport known to man, but that can end both them and their companions in jail if not indulged in carefully. Therefore, everyone wants to be careful. If they don't want to pay the price of admission to the fraternity (or is it a sorority?), then fuckem (or maybe not fuckem, as the case may be). I suggest that when some newbie (John or provider) posts a whiny "why can't I get a date" thread, the mods simply send them a reply: "Just join P411 and do whatever they ask" and delete the entire thread before the FUD starts to fly. I'm normally a pretty jolly guy, but this over and over is making me cranky. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 LOL, yup. Thanks I needed a good yuk this morning...off to work. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 i thought this board was to de informative and help, and if you had questions you could ask people in the game. I get it you're a vet. If you don't like new members close it off. Or just don't read the threads. But aren't you whining now? 🤔 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Badboy said: The friggin' newbies just need to know that they are about the enter into a sporting fraternity that not only indulges in the greatest sport known to man, but that can end both them and their companions in jail if not indulged in carefully. Therefore, everyone wants to be careful. If they don't want to pay the price of admission to the fraternity (or is it a sorority?), then fuckem (or maybe not fuckem, as the case may be). I I hear you. When I get tired of it, I just try to remember this was once a wonderful and terrifying new world to me. The money part of your statement is left above. You speak the absolute truth, and it reminds me of one of my favorite quotations: "The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything." Friedrich Nietzsche This has always been a risky endeavor for guys, with different and potentially more severe risks for the ladies. Both sides need to step back and be grateful for the risks the "other side" is taking to complete this business transaction. I won't speak for the ladies, but if you are a guy there is no way this will be 100% safe. If you can't handle that, I suggest a different hobby. However, a good way for guys to minimize the risk is to "Join P411 and do whatever they tell you." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 I'm sick of getting the text messages from newbies...that count? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Devilsindetail said: i thought this board was to de informative and help, and if you had questions you could ask people in the game. I get it you're a vet. If you don't like new members close it off. Or just don't read the threads. But aren't you whining now? 🤔 Do not let this discourage you from participating on this board, everybody was a newbie at one time. Back when I started out if a newbie posted something out of the ordinary you would get flamed to ashes sometimes. I remember if I was thinking on posting a thread I would pm some veteran hobbyists, William Tell and Pfunk were always willing to give me advice. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 I'll drink to that!!!!! When I started I didn't know anything about TOB or 411 or anyone on the inside to ask questions, it's pretty obvious, look for a hooker, be cool about it, don't get busted, have safe fun. What's so hard about that? The girls WANT you to find them, it's not that difficult. One of my first was through an agency I found in a motel yellow pages, had a great time with a great girl. Fucking is the most basic need besides eating and almost as easy to do except pussy costs considerably more than a burger. Am I the only one here that sees a newbie post and thinks cop? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 The positive thing about the Newbies is at least they don't feel and act like they are entitled. I appreciate that immensely ;-) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 I wrote a quick newbie guide and put it in the general forum. I don't think it'll stop questions, but might make the questions a little more specific. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2016 Getting a date as a newbie just requires a little common sense. I think it took 2.5 hrs from my first moment of desire to the time a delightful young lady was knocking at my door. And I didn't have any idea of where to start- Do I look for an ad in Westword?, Do I cruise up and down Colfax?, Do I look on the internet?, and if I do that what do I search under?. It doesn't take long to realize that a lot of the ladies are some of the nicest and hottest girls on the planet, so treat them like that. Even with a bad experience- the lady needs to be treated with respect. As the Queen told me " It is much more important to have big ears than to have a big dick". Listening is the key, it's also the easiest thing to do. Then everyone is happy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Buddy Glass said: I wrote a quick newbie guide and put it in the general forum. I don't think it'll stop questions, but might make the questions a little more specific. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 What about all the girls posting, what do i do in denver im new here! Thats almost more annoying than the newbie question because we are all suppose to pretend what you they like and tell you to do it? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 On 07/09/2016 at 9:50 AM, Badboy said: Am I the only one who is totally sick of the "I am a newbie and can't get a date, whine, moan, sniffle" crap? Every time someone starts one of these, it degenerates into a bunch of mud-slinging between providers and Johns about screening, increasing the FUD scale significantly. The friggin' newbies just need to know that they are about the enter into a sporting fraternity that not only indulges in the greatest sport known to man, but that can end both them and their companions in jail if not indulged in carefully. Therefore, everyone wants to be careful. If they don't want to pay the price of admission to the fraternity (or is it a sorority?), then fuckem (or maybe not fuckem, as the case may be). I suggest that when some newbie (John or provider) posts a whiny "why can't I get a date" thread, the mods simply send them a reply: "Just join P411 and do whatever they ask" and delete the entire thread before the FUD starts to fly. I'm normally a pretty jolly guy, but this over and over is making me cranky. Perhaps newbies should refer to my screening post. Why should a lady take a chance on them when the general consensus is don't give any information to us untrustworthy women? It makes it pretty impossible for us ladies to visit with you gentlemen... established or not without some trust. We want the business, trust me... we just don't want to be raped, murdered, beaten, robbed or arrested. How ridiculous of us - Sarcasm font Maybe stop referring everybody to screening services, and let's get back to reality and start doing things the way we used to... when it worked. Just a logical thought. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 Newbies coming on here trying to figure out what to do and how to behave! New young ladies wanting to put themselves out there and let us know they are here and available and show their treasures to us old farts!! How dare they!!??!! Stay off my lawn you little bastards!!! This here place is for us long timers!! Now where's my frickin' tea and crumpets?! <sarcasm off> Seriously, if "we" want both johns and clients to behave properly, get along, watch each other's backs, be professional and enjoy this little illicit adventure does it not require welcoming in new blood, showing by example how to behave, and treating their perhaps ignorant young asses with a touch of respect? Or maybe just kick 'em in the teeth for being new and uneducated in the ways of the place and then wonder why they get to be jaded ass hats and ripoffs so quick! If the "newbie" and "how to" posts bother you, don't read "em. Remember, we all started somewhere. Just one grey beard's opinion. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) How the heck is someone supposed to know how to ride a bike if there is no one to hold the back of their bike until they can pedal all by themselves? When I used to be an escort I had no one to show me how to do things when I first started in the business. I looked on Backpage because I didn't really know what else to do. I found this woman who was advertising an agency service. So I went to work for her. For the life of me she would rarely call me for any appointments. I started getting so depressed because I thought that no one found me attractive. Then one day I stumbled across a site similar to TOB. I perused the site only to stumble on the "Reviews" section. There my name was over and over again with horrific reviews. I was like, "Oh my goodness no one likes me!" Then I read the actual Reviews... They were all for a Blonde who had butt length hair that was 5'10" tall. I am Brunette with longer hair, nothing even close to my butt and I barely stand 5'3". I immediately signed up for an account, and tried to erase all the damage that was done without having to change my name by explaining nicely to everyone what had taken place with this woman and agency. I went independent, posted my own ads with my own phone number (my real number LMAO - Ladies Do NOT do this lol) and finally people started calling me. I was fortunate to have all those false reviews removed by that site, and then proceeded to get stellar reviews for my real self moving forward. Now that I am seasoned... I am now NOT a fan of reviews because I find them to cheapen each personal intimate experience, and find they are just too risky to have all that evidence just typed out in plain site. It finally came to light that this woman was using my ads/photos to get tons of appointments for her friend who was the tall blonde woman with butt length hair. They were running cash-n-dash scams on the men she was seeing under my name. I never yelled at her, never tried to get revenge, never tried to destroy or bad mouth her business. I just let it all go, and went out on my own walking in uncharted waters that I had absolutely no clue about. Consequently it all came to bite her in the ass. Turns out she was also running a credit card scam business which the FBI found out about, and got herself busted. She's in prison now. Justice is always sweeter than revenge My point is that I would not have had to go through all that hell if I had known about that posting site from the get-go. I could have asked questions about how to go about running an escort business, and saved myself from ever getting involved with that piece of shit woman and her bogus agency. Thankfully that site I referenced above was extremely friendly to me when I joined. They told me all the things I needed to know, what to look out for, what to start/stop doing, etc. Who knows what could have happened if I had not had that guidance and advice from those seasoned veterans of the hobby world to help me along my way. I think we should stop assuming everyone that is a Newbie is either LE or a bumbling idiot. Sometimes, yes, it is LE trying to get insider information to try to use against us. I would think most of us are pretty seasoned enough to know when a post just doesn't "feel" or "look" right. Then by all means just do NOT reply to those posts, and let it go. However the other 75% of the time it is simply a Newbie trying to discover how deep our caves go (various services offered), how to treat the stalagmites and stalactites properly (providers/hobbyists) and how to avoid the bats (LE and dangerous individuals). This is why I constantly try to post positive advice for the Ladies all the time about (1) Avoiding Pimps/Management (2) Trusting Your Gut Instincts along With Your Own Screening Techniques (3) Don't Take Credit Cards or Gift Cards To Avoid Being Ripped Off... etc, etc, etc. I care about other women even though I know they are my often my direct competition. I am certainly not going to give out my ancient Chinese secrets, but I will always give them helpful information to try to keep them from any form of danger relating to this risky business. How much time does it take to give a lil friendly advice to people from time to time? The same amount of time it takes to rip them a new one lol Edited July 10, 2016 by Scarlett Dayne 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Just as Ms.Scarlett says, "I think we should stop assuming everyone that is a Newbie is either LE or a bumbling idiot. " I, Ms. Jez, second that. We all start out newbies at some point. Where you males screw up is you let your little guy's brain do your thinking. Your big brain (the one in your head ) is much more effective at learning to navigate the waters of hobbydom. Just sayin' ! Edited July 11, 2016 by Jez UaBriain 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11, 2016 I just started out here on TOB.. I posted the "I am a Newbie" thingy here also, I'm just trying to get established as a board member. My clientele is very great, lol plus I'm currently not working anyway. I would like to start getting in the groove of things and start communicating, not only with the clients, but also other providers. There's a lot I need help with, that's why I posted 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 On 7/9/2016 at 6:58 PM, pfunk said: I made an effort to keep it as neutral as possible, though I don't think my opinion on sharing personal info is really secret around here. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 On 7/10/2016 at 8:01 PM, EliteTreasure said: I just started out here on TOB.. I posted the "I am a Newbie" thingy here also, I'm just trying to get established as a board member. My clientele is very great, lol plus I'm currently not working anyway. I would like to start getting in the groove of things and start communicating, not only with the clients, but also other providers. There's a lot I need help with, that's why I posted The more specific the post, the easier it is to respond to. Just "Hi I'm new to Denver can't wait to meet you all" isn't a great conversation starter. "Hi, I'm new to Denver, where's the best Moroccan food?" lets people respond to something. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
