Posted February 19, 2015 Looks like SOWET's has been busted. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27545370/feds-denver-area-man-indicted-prostitution-ad-review 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 That site was rated g compared to this site, wonder when this site goes down? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 That site was rated g compared to this site, wonder when this site goes down? It's the other way around, I suspect. His site promoted trafficking - this one does not. Huge difference, in the eyes of politicians & public perception. He finally pissed off the wrong person, I guess. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 Is it just me or is the FBI just the biggest wet blanket ever. I mean has a single one of them ever been to massage parlor? Of course not because they will quickly realize how unrelated getting jerked off on a table is vs. getting jerked off in a car. I mean sex trafficking come on. Massage Parlors has to be on of the least sexed places on earth. Those ladies never want sex. They just like to give people what they pay for. Full body means full body not 99% body rub. And unless some how the FBI considers hand jobs sex then that makes them prudest prudes. Now the trafficking part. How can one traffic when you laying on a freaking table? Unless they consider a relaxing experience a trafficking. The only way I could justify anything even close to what they do is if they are trying to protect American women and stop the Asian monopoly on massage parlors. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 Not quite sure what to make of your posting, but the larger issue is that people who are "trafficked" have no say in what they're doing. It is essentially coerced or forced work often with underaged people. It is the opposite of what goes on, privately & discretely between two consenting adults. Is it just me or is the FBI just the biggest wet blanket ever. I mean has a single one of them ever been to massage parlor? Of course not because they will quickly realize how unrelated getting jerked off on a table is vs. getting jerked off in a car. I mean sex trafficking come on. Massage Parlors has to be on of the least sexed places on earth. Those ladies never want sex. They just like to give people what they pay for. Full body means full body not 99% body rub. And unless some how the FBI considers hand jobs sex then that makes them prudest prudes. Now the trafficking part. How can one traffic when you laying on a freaking table? Unless they consider a relaxing experience a trafficking. The only way I could justify anything even close to what they do is if they are trying to protect American women and stop the Asian monopoly on massage parlors. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 That site was rated g compared to this site, wonder when this site goes down? Theotherboard doesn't participate in pandering. Which I clearly understand what that means now. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Trafficking can be the phone operator who helps an escort. All consenting adults. Its like the [snip} trafficking excuse - yet 90% of arrests are consenting adults. Yes a hand release in the law is the same a full service, it violates covered in every States prostitution law I've read as well as Federal. In Colorado it is covered by your 18-7-201 I assume the Fed charges are under the Travel Act like myredbook Feds charged. The internet is "interstate commerce" which gives the Feds jurisdiction. Edited February 19, 2015 by boink36 Forbidden topic removed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 They have been tooting the "trafficking" horn for well over a century. The Mann Act was a direct response back about 1910. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 It is easier to charge on the more recent Travel Act since unlike the Mann Act you don't have to actually transport or pay to transport a person for the purpose of prostitution. Basically just use the Internet to promote travel to see prostitutes. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 We would all like to believe that one site is safer than the next. In reality while each may differ in content all are subject to the same fate. TOB might be in a different format however it's the same. "Fantasy reviews" Paid advertising on EB (it was a public the new owner bought both) As we 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 (For give me I hit the send and wasn't finished) As well as discussions on the topics of prostitution. I will not bore the crowd any more with a detailed break down of hobby board and state or federal laws. There's a plethora of the information online. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 I avoid AMPs completely. I do have a concern that some of the providers may be there against their will. And that some of the providers may be underage. I have no interest in taking part in either scenario, even unintentionally. So, I just stay away. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) It's a small victory, but when they get all the AMPs shut down, they'll move on to other venues. Do these events EVER happen? Yes, rarely. But the press & propaganda would have you believe that it happens every encounter. Of all the trafficking charges brought against AMPs how many have stuck? How often are these charges leveled as a cudgel for defendant cooperation. I do know of a few instances where underage charges were upheld. They were for pimped BP escorts. These are the same tactics used in 1900 Chicago. They also added nightly vigils outside known brothels. I find it interesting that they only used this tactic against upscale establishments who avoided trafficking . Perhaps they feared for their lives in the neighborhoods where such illicit activity was more likely to happen. Edited February 19, 2015 by Bit Banger Change title 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 AMPs seem both riskier from a getting busted perspective, and also not nearly as good in terms of services offered and selection of ladies, compared to getting a lady off P411 or even backpage if you do a minimum amount of research. Never understood why a guy would go with that option unless he didn't know of the other options, and you have to be pretty dumb and/or lazy to not figure out there are other options in 2015. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 It's a small victory, but when they get all the AMPs shut down, they'll move on to other venues. Do these events EVER happen? Yes, rarely. But the press & propaganda would have you believe that it happens every encounter. Of all the trafficking charges brought against AMPs how many have stuck? How often are these charges leveled as a cudgel for defendant cooperation. I do know of a few instances where underage charges were upheld. They were for pimped BP escorts. These are the same tactics used in 1900 Chicago. They also added nightly vigils outside known brothels. I find it interesting that they only used this tactic against upscale establishments who avoided trafficking . Perhaps they feared for their lives in the neighborhoods where such illicit activity was more likely to happen. There is a big gray area between the propaganda campaign and the actual reality of what goes in some cases. Either way you slice it the propaganda wins, those who want to believe it's a bigger problem will believe what the news tells them and the rest who know the "true statistics" believe it's a rare occurrence and not that serious and ignore the problem or encourage others not to believe the "lies". All the debate over what the reality is sidetracks us all from the issue at hand. There are things that happen within the confines of AMPs that aren't cool and should not be overlooked. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 I used to visit a lady at a Korean spa in CoS which got busted a couple months ago. It was a small place with 2 providers. This lady seemed like she was having the time of her life. She was earning well and saving up, and had a wonderful sense of humor. The news said both providers applied for some kind of victim assistance status. I guess if one finds one's self in this situation the system encourages the victim stance, otherwise legal trouble is in store. I believe it all landed on the owner or manager who got popped for trafficking for giving rides to and from the airport for the ladies who had homes out-of-state. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 My impression, from the girls I knew who made their start in the massage parlors, was that they knew perfectly well that playing the "trafficked victim" card during the inevitable raids was their ticket to gaining status in the US. I don't know anything for sure, of course. But that was my impression, and as soon as they got residency they were working as independents or co-operatives. Grown women are capable of making their own choices, bad and good. They are also capable of working the system to their advantage. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 My impression, from the girls I knew who made their start in the massage parlors, was that they knew perfectly well that playing the "trafficked victim" card during the inevitable raids was their ticket to gaining status in the US. I don't know anything for sure, of course. But that was my impression, and as soon as they got residency they were working as independents or co-operatives. Grown women are capable of making their own choices, bad and good. They are also capable of working the system to their advantage. So my gal was maybe even happy to get raided.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 AMPs seem both riskier from a getting busted perspective, and also not nearly as good in terms of services offered and selection of ladies, compared to getting a lady off P411 or even backpage if you do a minimum amount of research. Never understood why a guy would go with that option unless he didn't know of the other options, and you have to be pretty dumb and/or lazy to not figure out there are other options in 2015. *Sigh*, you do not understand men. Guys that visit AMPs are neither dumb or lazy as you so naively state. Some of us do not have hours and hours to plan ahead, give reverences to providers that do not return our call, then play the waiting game. AMPs are convenient for spur of the moment service. Hell yes, I prefer someone that I can communicate with but the level of service even by seasoned providers, is hit or miss. Does "lazy and dumb" apply to providers that do not follow up on appointments??? "Good terms of service" as you state, you have got to be kidding. It goes both ways. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 To add to inkspot's thoughts: AMPs are less risky & consume less time than Street Walkers. They offer better service, too. There was a chain of AMPs who had one provider on my ATF list. Her service was more GFE than some EB providers. And yes, it was a SoWet favorite too. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 Okay the important thing to realize about this is that he was the owner of the site and he was writing his own reviews, as such it was taken that he personal knew that there was prostitution happening with those he was advertising there....That makes he have knowledge of a criminal act which he is furthering with this site....Huge difference legally than what happens here, as the owners do not commit illegal acts and post reviews as that seems that is the big issue as they even mentioned that in the article...I could be way off but honestly that admits he knew what was going on....Plus it seems some of the message parlors are bring in girls from elsewhere, aka over state lines who might not be of appropriate ages to be in the adult entertainment world, it would seem, which makes him a mark for the feds especially if they can prove he was aware of that....Very sad to see such things happening but it was bound to happen eventually if he was writing reviews on his own site...Thats a huge no no, as it is him admitting he is aware of the criminal act and in Colorado it only takes two people to indict on organized crime...So two school age children who plan to go to the convenience store to steal candy are a criminal enterprise and as such would be considered organized crime in Colorado....Yes that is the truth of how it is here and the portion of human trafficking was added in March 2013.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 For me it was a way to ease into the hobby. First HJ's at Chinese AMP's, then FS at Korean ones, then a BP episode or two, and now I have been totally corrupted by the sweet P411 ladies around here. The busts I have read of seem to all be Korean AMP's, and that was sowet's domain too. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2015 For me it was a way to ease into the hobby. First HJ's at Chinese AMP's, then FS at Korean ones, then a BP episode or two, and now I have been totally corrupted by the sweet P411 ladies around here. Wow! That's my story, too! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 I am sorry Barbi, I was a Sowet poster and long time member and I don't remember any of RTS reviews being graphic like they are here and ECCIE. As a matter of fact Rt did not allow graphic reviews of the Spas or ladies because they would cause trouble. Correct me if I am wrong that was the main reason TOB was started. So we poster could post what ever we wanted to about the ladies and their services, RT would not. With graphic post, reviews and in your face pictures and verbiage there is doubt what is going on here, there, wherever. So lets not start throwing shade we all have shade. Someone had to say and be ready to testify that he received services for reviews and knew first hand what was going on. Now they could have secretly video taped his visits and or conversations. WE don't know. This is why no more menus on P411. Get the picture. SJ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 Reviews are hearsay, and it really doesn't matter what's written in them. There is no way to prove who wrote them (my friend/brother/dead uncle has used my computer!), or whether the information in them is true (shoot, I made all that junk up, I never even met her!) unless you have a statement from the reviewer say he wrote the review and the activities described did indeed take place. In which case, that statement could be used in court, not the review alone. What does matter is a person's involvement with the movements of people across state lines, for the purpose of committing a criminal act. There was nothing illegal about SoWet as a website, or about RT owning SoWet. However, if he was involved in the day to day operations of the spas and movements of the workers, they could pretty easily find something to charge him with. That doesn't mean he'll be found guilty of anything criminal though, either. Who knows, really.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 I am sorry Barbi, I was a Sowet poster and long time member and I don't remember any of RTS reviews being graphic like they are here and ECCIE. As a matter of fact Rt did not allow graphic reviews of the Spas or ladies because they would cause trouble. Correct me if I am wrong that was the main reason TOB was started. So we poster could post what ever we wanted to about the ladies and their services, RT would not. With graphic post, reviews and in your face pictures and verbiage there is doubt what is going on here, there, wherever. So lets not start throwing shade we all have shade. Someone had to say and be ready to testify that he received services for reviews and knew first hand what was going on. Now they could have secretly video taped his visits and or conversations. WE don't know. This is why no more menus on P411. Get the picture. SJ I believe that SOWET would post about visiting various AMPs but his comments were never graphic. He often just said that he visited and talked to the owner. The indictment implies that he facilitated trafficking just by running website with reviews of the AMPs and by taking ad revenue from the AMPs. Perhaps SOWET had more involvement than implied from his website. This indictment would send a chill in me if I ran a website like TOB or backpage. Sowet may beat the charges but he will need deep pockets to fight the charges. It seems that the same charges could be brought by any website that posts reviews and/or accepts ad revenues from providers. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 I believe that SOWET would post about visiting various AMPs but his comments were never graphic. He often just said that he visited and talked to the owner. The indictment implies that he facilitated trafficking just by running website with reviews of the AMPs and by taking ad revenue from the AMPs. Perhaps SOWET had more involvement than implied from his website. This indictment would send a chill in me if I ran a website like TOB or backpage. Sowet may beat the charges but he will need deep pockets to fight the charges. It seems that the same charges could be brought by any website that posts reviews and/or accepts ad revenues from providers. If that was the case Backpage would have been gone years ago. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 How cute! All the Monday morning wannabe lawyers showed up. The legal system is NOT about the LAW. It IS about ECONOMICS. If LE wants to nail you, they are going to nail you, period. Guess what? Nailing you is not about successfully prosecuting you; it's about bankrupting you. That's how we won the Cold War. Yes, you can exercise your "rights" as so many here claims you have. But you fuckin' better have the bank account to do so. Otherwise, you're invoking 'rights' your wallet can't cash. So if LE has a goal in mind, they don't care about 'rights', especially in a Post 9/11 world. They will achieve it, hook or by crook. The only ones who win in this scenario are lawyers. And good luck in getting a lawyer to sue a government agency for violations of their 'rights'. In fact, let's apply another field of Economics to this realm, Game Theory. The Feds are going to make this man's life hell. So much so, they're going to say, "So tell me about so and so". And you know who fuckin "so and so" is. The accused is going to see this as a win-win situation for himself: I can take some of the heat off me while at the same time delivering my enemy to the Feds. Think really hard about what this means. The reason LE is going after this type of crime is because of the federal stay that Holder put on asset seizures related to suspected drug crimes. Many states, municipalities, courts are following suit. However, none of these institutions are abating assets seizures related to these types of scenarios here, because not only are there less legal repercussions, but the accused simply does not have same financial and legal backing as a same-level drug trafficker. You THINK you know how the system works, but unless you're LE, DA or you have ABT, 211, etc. tattooed on your body somewhere, YOU DON"T KNOW SHIT! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 Hi Virgil...How right you are it all about economics and who has the money and resources to fight such charges and I was merely going off what the newspaper article said about the owner of the site posting reviews, as I have never been a part or even visited SoWet myself, so I can not say either way beyond what I read yesterday....But of course that is all biased by the news media who is controlled by the government or corporations in this ocuntry... It is truly sad about what has happened there and lets hope things work out well in this situation....If anyone has any suggestions about how others might be able to assist the owner of the site with a legal defense or something like that it might be appropriate as this needs to stop when it comes to sites like that being attacked unjustlly....Just saying might be a good thing to consider by those at other sites.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2015 If anyone has any suggestions about how others might be able to assist the owner of the site with a legal defense . Barbie, it is a noble gesture to suggest donations but R.T. has very few friends on this board. I doubt very many will offer to open their wallet for him. His new site, 5080 Spas, contained many of his rants. His posts practically dared the Feds to take action against him. Looks like he got his wish. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
