Wanting money for texting

[gr8owl]

1 hour ago, mustang said:

One persons time waster is another's careful researcher.

 

Ten....nine......eight, seven ................

I certainly  appreciate the need for research, but I prefer to do it before contacting her.  When I do contact her it is with full intent to schedule and the appointment is essentially hers to lose - or just say no to for whatever reason.  There does have to be enough info available to make me want to contact her of course

17 ....... 13 ...... 11 ..... 7 ..... 5 ......  (the nerd countdown)

[gr8owl]

43 minutes ago, Caressa Duval said:

Lawyers make some of the best clients. IMO. They understand $3-600 per hour. Most charge a consultation fee. Lawyers will absolutely charge by the minute for every email and text they have to read. Lawyers for me have always one of my favorite clients to see, they understand the the dollar value of time. Some people might not understand that a good 2 to 6 hours out of each day, can sometimes be completely devoted to screening clients. We are not being paid at all for the time we spend screening. In addition, many of us have real jobs, and families to care for.

I have frequently said of lawyers "fuck him!", but I guess that digresses a bit.    Engineers understand "by the hour" as well, we just do it without the personality.  Wait ....... not exactly .... that's not ......... you know .....

[Bit Banger]

Time wasters?  I’m not sure how many times I provided a bid when the contractor had already been selected because the purchasing agent had to fulfill some internal or government regulation.

All businesses have marketing expenses,  both $s & time.  Mine approached 20-25% at times.

We (collectively) had this conversation before - Is think like other businesses?  Yes, though there are differences, as there are with all businesses.   For one thing it’s free from a lot of government regulations.  Yet it is still constrained by the natural laws of economics and subject to common business practices.

[Hunter VanDyke]

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Time wasters?  I’m not sure how many times I provided a bid when the contractor had already been selected because the purchasing agent had to fulfill some internal or government regulation.

All businesses have marketing expenses,  both $s & time.  Mine approached 20-25% at times.

We (collectively) had this conversation before - Is think like other businesses?  Yes, though there are differences, as there are with all businesses.   For one thing it’s free from a lot of government regulations.  Yet it is still constrained by the natural laws of economics and subject to common business practices.

Another difference is we get a lot of contact from timewasters who want lengthy communications who have zero intention of booking with anyone at all.  They're fun IS wasting a SWs time.  It's a very high percentage.  And they come up with all kinds of stories to do it and a common one is I'm too scared to go through with it. 

Did you ever provide bids to John Smith who's on TOB under the handle luvs2fuk, contact number(fill in burner number), email ppounder69@gmail.com ??? I doubt you'd spend a year putting that bid together.  

Edited August 25, 2022 by Hunter VanDyke

[Bit Banger]

Ever go window shopping?

Can’t get much more anonymous than customers walking around a mall, asking sales clerks questions about the merchandise. Lights on, salaries & rent paid.

[MrReindeer-9515]

For stevie, Alex, Bit:

In all the erroneous examples of your personal business experience is anyone getting their dick sucked as part of the transaction? Is anyone fucking anyone else, literally physically? No? Your examples are irrelevant bullshit.

[Alex Majors]

It isn't that I don't sympathize  with you ladies. I do.  I am just reminding you that we all have to put up with these kind of people. It is a cost of doing business.

Do you think the govt/local govt pay me to report sales taxes, use taxes, earning taxes , compensating taxes and income taxes. Hell no. Your income is tax free, unless you report some or all.  I spend 1.5 to 2 hrs on the road driving to these people every day. Not all are time wasters but at least you can do it from the comfort of your home, room,etc.  It costs me gas, tires, insurance, tags wear and tear on the vehicle. Not to mention the purchase price. Then there are the hours of paperwork I do every year. Usually at night or on weekends. I have never got a check for any of that. So I am just trying to say as a business, which you ladies are, have non-reimburseable costs like every other business. 

[sb1212]

In my consulting business I receive numerous inbound inquiries.  I will spend a short time (15/20 min)  asking questions to see if there is a fit, and to see if they have the authority, budget and appropriate motivation to continue the conversation. If not - I politely disengage.  No, I dont charge for that time.  The market does not support that and I would miss out on many good opportunities. FYI, my 30 year experience with public sector bids says that if you didn't  know the RFP was going to be released, your chances of winning are single digits, because the competition was in there early influencing the RFP.  But, I digress... I am sympathetic to providers dealing with jokers/newbies  who purposely or ignorantly  interact in a manner that is inefficient or without direction.  To the providers: I schedule 98% of my fun with TOB companions. I know not all can/will do this, but It is always very helpful if you have a website that addresses rates, calendar, location, activities.  My first text/email/phone call/web based inquiry (per her preference) includes suggested day/time, desired length of session and all the questions I need to make a decision (primarily rate, schedule and in-call location). I have decided I am interested in advance based on TOB listing, other hobby sites, reviews and provider. websites.  If the answers to my few questions asked in one communication aren't what I need, then I am done and I let her know.  If it is a scheduling issue I might reach out again down the road.  

[mustang]

I wonder if the street ladies have to deal with time wasting texts???

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

7 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Ever go window shopping?

Can’t get much more anonymous than customers walking around a mall, asking sales clerks questions about the merchandise. Lights on, salaries & rent paid.

You didn't answer my question you just quoted @Bit Banger. 

Did you spend your time (the bulk of your work day to clarify) in your normal business dealing with people you knew had 100% completely fake and ridiculous personas?

[Mustang87]

On 8/25/2022 at 10:11 AM, Hunter VanDyke said:

You didn't answer my question you just quoted @Bit Banger. 

Did you spend your time (the bulk of your work day to clarify) in your normal business dealing with people you knew had 100% completely fake and ridiculous personas?

I've worked in commission-based sales for over 20 years and probably about a third of all the work I do, over a given period of time, goes unpaid. For the longest time I equated that to the wasted time ladies put up with dealing with no-shows and time-wasters ,etc. This thread kind of opened my eyes a little bit. Yes, people do waste my time and sometimes take advantage of me for free information and advise. But it is rarely intentional and never malicious. It more of less comes with the territory in my line of work. Ladies deal with that kind of BS everyday and I believe very often it is malicious. Ladies get messed with just because some guys (not most) know they can do it and get away with it. Not trying to be a while knight, and there are plenty of thing ladies have said on here that I disagree with, but on this topic, I've had a bit of a change in my way of thinking.

 

[oldertruckguy-9225]

This topic reaffirms why I no longer engage TOB ladies. Not a swipe at them.  I know that there is dozens and dozens of quality ladies on TOB. Ladies that are First class in all aspects of life.  The thing is, my wants, needs and desires, and kink requires discussion for a fulfilling and satisfying playtime. Questions from both, answers from both. Nearly impossible with TOB ladies. THAT IS ON ME. I will not play until both of us completely understand what is expected. The last several years have proven to me, that is very hard to do here. 

[Hunter VanDyke]

5 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

I've worked in commission-based sales for over 20 years and probably about a third of all the work I do, over a given period of time, goes unpaid. For the longest time I equated that to the wasted time ladies put up with dealing with no-shows and time-wasters ,etc. This thread kind of opened my eyes a little bit. Yes, people do waste my time and sometimes take advantage of me for free information and advise. But it is rarely intentional and never malicious. It more of less comes with the territory in my line of work. Ladies deal with that kind of BS everyday and I believe very often it is malicious. Ladies get messed with just because some guys (not most) know they can do it and get away with it. Not trying to be a while knight, and there are plenty of thing ladies have said on here that I disagree with, but on this topic, I've had a bit of a change in my way of thinking.

 

Thank you for for saying this Mustang. Thank you understanding that there is a difference in intentional time-wasting behavior vs normal unpaid time that is required to run a business and book appts.  This is exactly what providers do their best to identify and separate.  We use multiple tools to do that.  

[Bit Banger]

51 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

… MOST clients just want to have see providers and have fun.  .., 

MOST clients don't want to spend their time creating new identities. 
…

Fun is my primary objective here.  Bit_banger has been my handle for over a score of years.

The problem with multiple IDs, like lies, is that you have to keep track of what you told to whom.  Way too much trouble!

[Hunter VanDyke]

4 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Fun is my primary objective here.  Bit_banger has been my handle for over a score of years.

The problem with multiple IDs, like lies, is that you have to keep track of what you told to whom.  Way too much trouble!

Plus clients lose all their refs with a new identity, no?  I mean assuming they had anyone willing to vouch for them anyway.   

The whole strategy is created specifically for timewasters and game players.  No reputable client or provider is operating this way.  

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

He is like talking to a Coke machine, isn't he?  Except if lucky, you can at least get a cold beverage out of the Coke machine.  I'll take a cherry, please.

I gave up cherries. They’re very sweet, but too much trouble. I like my tarts savory, more seasoned.

😁😜😘

Edited August 31, 2022 by Bit Banger

[mustang]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

He is like talking to a Coke machine, isn't he?  Except if lucky, you can at least get a cold beverage out of the Coke machine.  I'll take a cherry, please.

not on this board

 

[gr8owl]

34 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

I gave up cherries. They’re very sweet, but too much trouble. I like my tarts savory, more seasoned.

😁😜😘

 

28 minutes ago, mustang said:

not on this board

 

Humor appreciated, but meant:

 

[oldertruckguy-9225]

Gotta be honest. I did not know you could have multiple handles on this site. That needs to be fixed. I have absolutely no idea how, but.............damn

10 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

 

Yes, let's keep this thread going. If there are any ladies that do not know this, men here can have multiple handles and review under them all. I recently saw someone that joined that checked the box that they were a DateCheck member. That site has not existed for years.  He also checked he was P411 too, there is no verification. The guys can just check the boxes, and try to make themselves look legitimate.

 

 

[oldertruckguy-9225]

That made me laugh. Thank you!!

10 hours ago, mustang said:

not on this board

 

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

2 hours ago, oldertruckguy-9225 said:

Gotta be honest. I did not know you could have multiple handles on this site. That needs to be fixed. I have absolutely no idea how, but.............damn

 

You can't 

But you can

😂😂😂

There's no verification for member profiles.  It's all made up shit.

I've always wonder why there's not an army of providers trolling the boards under member profiles.   Apparently it's really easy to do.  🙄

[ilovewomen]

10 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

You can't 

But you can

😂😂😂

There's no verification for member profiles.  It's all made up shit.

I've always wonder why there's not an army of providers trolling the boards under member profiles.   Apparently it's really easy to do.  🙄

Way back when Gina still owned TOB and I first joined, we were allowed to have one handle for posting in the forums and another handle for reviews.  I was one of those who had separate handles then.  I don't kno why, but I did.

Then after Whisperer acquired TOB and merged everything together, I was informed that I could not have 2 separate handles.  I could have only one and what ever I had posted under the handle would disappear from public viewing. So I chose to continue using this handle for everything from that forward.

It has been pointed out that if a guy was discovered to have more than one handle, he would be informed that he could only have one and if he persisted in having multiple handles, he would be banned from TOB.

I'm sure there are some guys who have more than one handle in violation of TOB rules.  They can be found out by checking ISP's.  However that takes time and money.

If TOB went the way of requiring guys to verify who they are like they require the ladies to verify, it would not be the end of the world  In fact it may lead to the reduction of certain trolls.

FYI trolls...You do not have more to lose than next person here...and that includes the ladies. They stand to lose just as much as anyone else, sometimes more if they are single mothers. They could lose their mainstream daytime job.

The majority of TOB members probably have something to lose.  We all just have to calculate our individual risk factors and decide for ourselves if we are wiling to give up some things for our our choice to hobby.

This is why discretion is very important from both sides.

I'm rambling now and I apologize.

Everyone have fun and stay safe!

 

 

[JessicaJonesing]

On 8/29/2022 at 4:40 PM, oldertruckguy-9225 said:

THAT IS ON ME. I will not play until both of us completely understand what is expected. The last several years have proven to me, that is very hard to do here. 

Interesting post. Good on you for taking responsibility :-)

However, fault here lies in ignorance on both sides -- let's keep in mind "ignorant" isn't derogatory, it means lacking lacking knowledge or awareness in general:

The standard "compensation is for my time only" is an admission of guilt for escorting, for which you need a license in Colorado, and will be used against a provider. Even stating that on a website is a violation, but LEOs don't really care. However so-called "sexting" is confirmation of prostitution, which is a worse crime than the petty offense of escorting without a license, and they get to arrest you and charge you with a sex crime. Which means, if you don't fight it for dismissal, national registry for offenders.

So explicit texts are a no-no. That's why I don't respond, and why many won't, it's got nothing to do with TOB beyond that the women here tend to be better educated.

I require real-world verification, via a form that clearly says, if you want bodywork (despite being an LMT, nude massage is a violation of DORA ethics) then you may retain me for CO Title 12, section 12, paragraph 35.5-110 “legal alternative methods that employ contact structured to deepen a person’s awareness of movement patterns in his or her body." For which you are free to think of as "FBSM/GFE".

If  you want privileged, salacious entertainment, which you are free to label PSE -- I can't control how other people label things, then regardless of your perceptions, you’re hiring me as an adult actress: I only accept compensation to perform with you in private sessions with the intent to produce artistic content, which is legal everywhere except parts of Texas. 

After accepting that release, indicating you've truthfully and with clean hands entered your real name in the request form, will I speak freely.

Anything else is an admission of guilt in a medium with digital permanence. It's why I refer initial inquiries to my release form, I will only respond with one more polite request to fill it out (while ignoring/not responding to any other query sent), then I usually block the number. If someone seemed authentic and wanted to send more messages, I'd refer them to a "fantasy texting" package...

 

Long-winded, as I often do, but yes: I won't respond to "sexting" from unverified gentleman, and I'll either block or refer you to a paid texting package.

 

Again, nothing to do with TOB, everything to do with securing my safety and the privacy of all previous clients...

[lustybustygina]

Well this post help me kill sometime today hang out on my time off from working  ..  Dang 10 text i would be out on after 5 !

How I kill a TW ..I say go to my site fill out my screening page and read my web site .... That works every time lol

[Mike940370]

17 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

You can't 

But you can

😂😂😂

There's no verification for member profiles.  It's all made up shit.

I've always wonder why there's not an army of providers trolling the boards under member profiles.   Apparently it's really easy to do.  🙄

 I've always thought that there are a lot of providers on here with a 2nd, 3rd , 4th man's screen name too always bad mouth real potential customers that dont suck up to the hookers.  The fake men come into play when the girls need damage control.

I dont know how some of them have time to get laid,  they're  always here like a junk yard security guard.

BTW,  I'm not  talking about all the women who post ads here,  probably, just the forum guard dog security personell.

I find it very odd , but funny, they have all day and night to text to this forum, but heaven forbid if a man would like to text a little bit to see if they are someone who seems nice and they would like to meet.  Oh hello no, some must want to get paid , for texting a couple 2 or 3 word sentences.

I also am owed a few POAs. 

I ask for rate and or location,  I say fine, are you avail now. They say yes.  I'm on the road to their incall, they say they need a deposit.  I say I am cash only, 

Then they keep texting me, they take cash app. Cr cards, gift cards, on and on bugging me while I find a legitimate girl.

What do you think girls? Do they owe me compensation for wasting my time?

!

[Hunter VanDyke]

10 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

 I've always thought that there are a lot of providers on here with a 2nd, 3rd , 4th man's screen name too always bad mouth real potential customers that dont suck up to the hookers.  The fake men come into play when the girls need damage control.

Oh really Mikey?  Which men's handles are you referring to that you think are providers?  I haven't seen any patterns like the ones you mentioned, but if you have, I'd love to hear which ones.  We can all go check out those profiles together, and see if what you're saying adds up.   

Edited September 1, 2022 by Hunter VanDyke

[Mike940370]

As you know hunter, I'm not a frequent tob forum visitor . I specifically remember a couple of their handles, unless, I think Kaduk, who always gives me "bad boy points", (oh no, did I give one away?)  says it's ok to say who I think they are, I will.

And checking a fake or otherwise profile, proves nothing. Just like we dont know each other.

You know, I'd be scared to meet any of the forum damage control guard dogs.  Theyre not here to show us a good time, they're here to guard the forum. Just Visiting is right.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Mike940370

[Hunter VanDyke]

28 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

As you know hunter, I'm not a frequent tob forum visitor . I specifically remember a couple of their handles, unless, I think Kaduk, who always gives me "bad boy points", (oh no, did I give one away?)  says it's ok to say who I think they are, I will.

And checking a fake or otherwise profile, proves nothing. Just like we dont know each other.

You know, I'd be scared to meet any of the forum damage control guard dogs.  Theyre not here to show us a good time, they're here to guard the forum. Just Visiting is right.

😂😂😂  I'm pretty sure everyone has gotten points by a moderator.  You're not giving anything away.  I've seen many posts since I've been on tob where multiple handles have been called out for this on the forums.  Let's have it.  Do it. 😁

Most posters here are well known throughout the community because of actual meetings, so it would be pretty easy to tell if the ones you're talking about are in fact providers vs clients.  

[Mike940370]

Lol, for you maybe. Of course, IDK,  but,  I suspect you have another account, besides  Hunter Vandyke.

Come to think of it, why would you want "Dyke" in you screen name?

[oldertruckguy-9225]

Hunter I get everything you wrote. I can't call up the details, I'm impressed but not surprised that you can, but I understand what you are saying. Explicit texts can hurt me as well as the young lady. Plus, so much can be misconstrued, misunderstood or read totally out of context in a text. So, rather than continue down a path that can lead to frustration and unnecessary drama I have chosen a different path.   I have worked to find other likeminded individuals. we have developed a circle, a network if you will, of people who share a kink. We are not swingers, not into multiple partners. We share a "kink", a unique style of play. We talk to one another share contact info and look out for one another. I also whole heartedly endorse references!! We thoroughly vet newbies, male or female. I still occasionally reach out to a TOB lady. I still use a couple of other sites as well as a few dedicated to our lifestyle. 

I enjoy the forums, the exchanges. I read the reviews. But as a "regular" source of playmates other venues work better for me. I will say again this is not a slam, casting dispersion or anything negative concerning TOB