The End of Escorting?

[dando.shaft]

I know I live in a remote area where the only 'option' is STG but it seems it's getting harder to find a woman who is willing to do in person sex work.

OF and cam sites make it possible for women to make money without ever having to touch a man.  10 years ago I had success meeting cam models but now all will just pretend to want to meet and then just rip you off. 

The sugar baby sites are full of women who see Tiktok videos claiming they can find lonely men who will pay for a virtual and/or platonic relationship.  The other aspect of sugaring is that one is seeking more of a relationship than hourly dates, but most of these girls already have husbands or significant others, which makes that less likely as well. 

Then there is the deposit scam, even after eliminating obvious fake pics, language problems, weird text characters, I still got scammed 7 times out of 7 this year for women who wanted deposits then either sent me to vacant homes or to hotels where they would demand even more money to let me in (I left at that point).

At 62 my real life dating options are limited - the 35-45ish women I prefer mostly view me like a pedophile because I'm old enough to be their father, and women my age just aren't attractive to me, most don't even want to have sex or date, and the ones who do are cougars chasing younger men.   Hence escorting (when I lived in cities like Denver and Houston) and sugaring to meet my companionship needs but that's even becoming very difficult. 

Finding someone in a major city (I can't even get on P411 because while 'retired' I do not draw SS yet so they can't verify me) and flying them here is a cost-prohibitive option.  I guess my sex life is over. 

 

[dickhaupt]

I know exactly what you mean about scammers.  The bells and flashing lights go off when you ask for an incall meet and they ask where you are located. 

It's getting more difficult even though I live in Denver.  Good luck on your quest. 

[Copper-pipee]

I'd say since you're single, just to take a month trip to Thailand or the Philippines. You can find love / youth for money easy there. Old or fat, they don't care.

I'm in my early 30's, I travel. It's much cheaper these days than what some of the local ladies charge. Plus you get to have a nice vacation.  

In Thailand / Philippines the girls are like 15 bucks for a 2 hour GFE or ALL day and night with you  for about 45 - 75 bucks. If you're not into Asian ladies, go to Ukraine, Poland or Belarus. 2 hour GFE there is about 30-40 bucks. These girls are also PRIME aged 18-22. You can also check out Mexico or Columbia, Just use common sense and you'll be fine.  Also, check out AIRBNB for Thailand, Philippines, Ukraine, Poland, Columbia and Mexico. I'm talking like 15$ a night in a really sweet ass condos. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TRAVEL!!!!

Check out the youtube channels Ohnoosho, Onlyosho, or Views From.

For the price of roughly 2 hours with a young attractive girl here, you can pay for a entire trip to Asia, or Europe, or for the price of a 1 hour visit with some of the girls here, you can pay for an entire trip to Mexico or South America. 

If you're looking for a companion, check out Ukraine, the women out number men there. Philippines or Thailand you can find some serious hotties that you can wife up. A house there is like 30-40k Cost of living is $200 a month. Mexican and South American ladies only like decent looking younger men. I'd honestly skip trying to wife up anything from Europe or if you're older anything from Mexico or South America.  

My cousin who is 62, a truck driver, very over weight and bald is having a house built in the Philippines as we speak, he met his wife on Filipinocupid. She's 22 and very cute. They already have 2 kids. She was excited to hear that he wants to move to her village and not bring her to the states(smart move here once they see that they're the commodity out here in the states, their views on the relationship dynamic start to change). Out in South East Asia, the men are like a hot young woman here. It's unlike anything you have ever experienced. 

If you have any questions about traveling or tips, hit me up. 

[Copper-pipee]

This guy pretty much explains it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC3xe_OAKs&ab_channel=LooksMaximusSymposium

 

[Audrey Astor]

Im sorry you are having a difficult time, although I’m not sure why. The market has never been so robust with such a selection of women.😐 You’ve made it to the right place. Maybe your peers can guide you to determine how to find someone safe, who is the right fit for you.
No, we don’t think you’re a pedophile. Most ladies in your age group appreciate gentlemen in their 60s-90s for their wisdom and skills.Women that have been in the community for many years, and have excellent reviews on many sites are not here to scam you. Word travels fast in our community. We’re here to have fun. Given the fact that you have been using STG and cam sites, expect to screen. Unfortunately not all guys are as stable and nice as you. Find someone you feel comfortable with, and dive in. If she asks questions you’re not comfortable with, POLITELY decline. Once you establish a meeting, show up, be kind and have fun. The world should be your oyster here. Best wishes. 

[dando.shaft]

12 minutes ago, Audrey Astor said:

Im sorry you are having a difficult time, although I’m not sure why. The market has never been so robust with such a selection of women.😐 You’ve made it to the right place. Maybe your peers can guide you to determine how to find someone safe, who is the right fit for you.
No, we don’t think you’re a pedophile. Most ladies in your age group appreciate gentlemen in their 60s-90s for their wisdom and skills.Women that have been in the community for many years, and have excellent reviews on many sites are not here to scam you. Word travels fast in our community. We’re here to have fun. Given the fact that you have been using STG and cam sites, expect to screen. Unfortunately not all guys are as stable and nice as you. Find someone you feel comfortable with, and dive in. If she asks questions you’re not comfortable with, POLITELY decline. Once you establish a meeting, show up, be kind and have fun. The world should be your oyster here. Best wishes. 

Unfortunately I moved from Denver two and a half years ago to take care of my father in PA after my mother died, which makes travel difficult as he really can't be left alone for long periods of time as he is a fall risk.  I'm two hours from any decent size city and three hours from a major metro.   As to the pedophile comment, maybe in this community men like me are valued but in the vanilla world, from the research I have read and my experience on dating apps, even most 50-55 yo women would consider me too old to date.  I'm cursed by my preferences too....I'm told I am out of my league because I prefer curvy to SSBBW build, 35-50, and Caucasian.   Millions of soccers moms out there who fit that but not a lot in the sex work pool.  One reason why I was so into cam sites because there are quite a few women like that online.  I often wondered why more escorts don't cam.  Seems it would be a great way to find someone who would be into you and willing to pay for travel etc.   In the 15 or so years on cam sites I only ever met one and I did fly her from Boston to Denver to see me.   Thanks for your input and encouragement Audrey!  

[average1]

@dando.shaft  When I read your post, it made me feel grateful to live in metro Denver.  We are blessed to have so many options.  I'm sure it is tough in a remote area to make connections with a variety of ladies.  Maybe a trip to Denver occasionally would be worth it, if you are in Colorado.  Spend a few days and see a few ladies who could tickle your fancy.  @Audrey Astor is right, TOB is a great place to be.  By doing research and participating in the forums you might find yourself surprised in the best of ways.  Wishing you luck in finding what works for you.

[dando.shaft]

7 hours ago, Copper-pipee said:

I'd say since you're single, just to take a month trip to Thailand or the Philippines. You can find love / youth for money easy there. Old or fat, they don't care.

I'm in my early 30's, I travel. It's much cheaper these days than what some of the local ladies charge. Plus you get to have a nice vacation.  

In Thailand / Philippines the girls are like 15 bucks for a 2 hour GFE or ALL day and night with you  for about 45 - 75 bucks. If you're not into Asian ladies, go to Ukraine, Poland or Belarus. 2 hour GFE there is about 30-40 bucks. These girls are also PRIME aged 18-22. You can also check out Mexico or Columbia, Just use common sense and you'll be fine.  Also, check out AIRBNB for Thailand, Philippines, Ukraine, Poland, Columbia and Mexico. I'm talking like 15$ a night in a really sweet ass condos. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TRAVEL!!!!

Check out the youtube channels Ohnoosho, Onlyosho, or Views From.

For the price of roughly 2 hours with a young attractive girl here, you can pay for a entire trip to Asia, or Europe, or for the price of a 1 hour visit with some of the girls here, you can pay for an entire trip to Mexico or South America. 

If you're looking for a companion, check out Ukraine, the women out number men there. Philippines or Thailand you can find some serious hotties that you can wife up. A house there is like 30-40k Cost of living is $200 a month. Mexican and South American ladies only like decent looking younger men. I'd honestly skip trying to wife up anything from Europe or if you're older anything from Mexico or South America.  

My cousin who is 62, a truck driver, very over weight and bald is having a house built in the Philippines as we speak, he met his wife on Filipinocupid. She's 22 and very cute. They already have 2 kids. She was excited to hear that he wants to move to her village and not bring her to the states(smart move here once they see that they're the commodity out here in the states, their views on the relationship dynamic start to change). Out in South East Asia, the men are like a hot young woman here. It's unlike anything you have ever experienced. 

If you have any questions about traveling or tips, hit me up. 

Travel is an issue because I moved from Denver to take care of my father after my mother died.  He's a fall risk so can't be left alone for the time it would take to travel to say Philadelphia, see someone, drive back.... let alone to another continent. 

If I were to do sex tourism it would have to be European.  I'm not attracted to Asian women at all.  I prefer 30-50 chubby to SSBBW Caucasians.  I've seen lots of gorgeous camgirls from Russia, Romania, Ukraine, etc.  Not sure I want the headache of a wife - I did check out a site supposedly with Eastern European women but nearly all were young and slender. 

Maybe after my father passes I can take a vacation...... 

[dando.shaft]

Average1, it doesn't seem to be letting me reply without showing a dozen posts, but yeah it seems like I am going to have to figure out a trip somewhere (I'm in northcentral PA now but spent 8 years in Denver in the 2010's, which is how I know about this board).   Thanks for your input!

[Todoesprivado]

I can’t imagine how difficult it must be if you leave in a remote location. Considering you are single and live in a remote location I really like the recommendation of hobbying overseas. I do that from time to time but mostly in S. America and there is I’m not even a point of comparison. SWers there are so very much inexpensive than here.

Even a short trip to our neighbors in the north may give you more prolific returns, also considering currency differences.

Good luck, man! There is nothing worst than craving the touch and attention of a woman and not being to do much about it .

[Audrey Astor]

23 hours ago, dando.shaft said:

Unfortunately I moved from Denver two and a half years ago to take care of my father in PA after my mother died, which makes travel difficult as he really can't be left alone for long periods of time as he is a fall risk.  I'm two hours from any decent size city and three hours from a major metro.   As to the pedophile comment, maybe in this community men like me are valued but in the vanilla world, from the research I have read and my experience on dating apps, even most 50-55 yo women would consider me too old to date.  I'm cursed by my preferences too....I'm told I am out of my league because I prefer curvy to SSBBW build, 35-50, and Caucasian.   Millions of soccers moms out there who fit that but not a lot in the sex work pool.  One reason why I was so into cam sites because there are quite a few women like that online.  I often wondered why more escorts don't cam.  Seems it would be a great way to find someone who would be into you and willing to pay for travel etc.   In the 15 or so years on cam sites I only ever met one and I did fly her from Boston to Denver to see me.   Thanks for your input and encouragement Audrey!  

Ahhhhhh I see. Are you on Twitter? There are many ladies that fit your likes, that will travel to you. Bless you! Caretaking is difficult, but rewarding.😘

[hornyoldtoad]

the hobby is a universal constant historically...

if you look hard enough in these communities you will find the direction you seek, to a place where you will find the lady/ladies you seek...

bon chance!!

[Savoir Faire]

On 12/12/2021 at 1:38 AM, Copper-pipee said:

I'd say since you're single, just to take a month trip to Thailand or the Philippines. You can find love / youth for money easy there. Old or fat, they don't care.

I'm in my early 30's, I travel. It's much cheaper these days than what some of the local ladies charge. Plus you get to have a nice vacation.  

In Thailand / Philippines the girls are like 15 bucks for a 2 hour GFE or ALL day and night with you  for about 45 - 75 bucks. If you're not into Asian ladies, go to Ukraine, Poland or Belarus. 2 hour GFE there is about 30-40 bucks. These girls are also PRIME aged 18-22. You can also check out Mexico or Columbia, Just use common sense and you'll be fine.  Also, check out AIRBNB for Thailand, Philippines, Ukraine, Poland, Columbia and Mexico. I'm talking like 15$ a night in a really sweet ass condos. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TRAVEL!!!!

Check out the youtube channels Ohnoosho, Onlyosho, or Views From.

For the price of roughly 2 hours with a young attractive girl here, you can pay for a entire trip to Asia, or Europe, or for the price of a 1 hour visit with some of the girls here, you can pay for an entire trip to Mexico or South America. 

If you're looking for a companion, check out Ukraine, the women out number men there. Philippines or Thailand you can find some serious hotties that you can wife up. A house there is like 30-40k Cost of living is $200 a month. Mexican and South American ladies only like decent looking younger men. I'd honestly skip trying to wife up anything from Europe or if you're older anything from Mexico or South America.  

My cousin who is 62, a truck driver, very over weight and bald is having a house built in the Philippines as we speak, he met his wife on Filipinocupid. She's 22 and very cute. They already have 2 kids. She was excited to hear that he wants to move to her village and not bring her to the states(smart move here once they see that they're the commodity out here in the states, their views on the relationship dynamic start to change). Out in South East Asia, the men are like a hot young woman here. It's unlike anything you have ever experienced. 

If you have any questions about traveling or tips, hit me up. 

Great advice Mr Copper Pipe, you had me dreaming about how it is overseas............................I need to take a trip back because you are 100 percent correct when you say there is nothing like it...................... 

[lustybustygina]

On 12/11/2021 at 7:51 PM, dando.shaft said:

I know I live in a remote area where the only 'option' is STG but it seems it's getting harder to find a woman who is willing to do in person sex work.

OF and cam sites make it possible for women to make money without ever having to touch a man.  10 years ago I had success meeting cam models but now all will just pretend to want to meet and then just rip you off. 

The sugar baby sites are full of women who see Tiktok videos claiming they can find lonely men who will pay for a virtual and/or platonic relationship.  The other aspect of sugaring is that one is seeking more of a relationship than hourly dates, but most of these girls already have husbands or significant others, which makes that less likely as well. 

Then there is the deposit scam, even after eliminating obvious fake pics, language problems, weird text characters, I still got scammed 7 times out of 7 this year for women who wanted deposits then either sent me to vacant homes or to hotels where they would demand even more money to let me in (I left at that point).

At 62 my real life dating options are limited - the 35-45ish women I prefer mostly view me like a pedophile because I'm old enough to be their father, and women my age just aren't attractive to me, most don't even want to have sex or date, and the ones who do are cougars chasing younger men.   Hence escorting (when I lived in cities like Denver and Houston) and sugaring to meet my companionship needs but that's even becoming very difficult. 

Finding someone in a major city (I can't even get on P411 because while 'retired' I do not draw SS yet so they can't verify me) and flying them here is a cost-prohibitive option.  I guess my sex life is over. 

 

Not all woman over 50 stop having hot sex .... 

Edited December 14, 2021 by lustybustygina

[Copper-pipee]

On 12/13/2021 at 7:10 PM, Savoir Faire said:

Great advice Mr Copper Pipe, you had me dreaming about how it is overseas............................I need to take a trip back because you are 100 percent correct when you say there is nothing like it...................... 

I’d say head to Asia. It’s Disney land for adults. 
 Thailand is awesome. My next destination is Vietnam, currently I’m headed back to Thailand in 3 months. 

fyi guys. There are TONS of Russians and Ukrainian ladies in Thailand. They do charge a lot more than Asian ladies about 60 to 100 per 2 hours. About 200 for all day and night. They are also nowhere near as giggly and fun as the Asians, they do whatever you want but they're personalities are a lot like high volume pretty american escorts. Kind of like, let’s get this over with, very transactional.

I like Asians, if I want a white girl, I’d rather travel to any of the former Soviet Union.

The Eastern European girls are also funner in Europe vs in Thailand. Way more of a gfe experience. You definitely need to provide your own protection. A lot of the girls in Europe don’t provide and don’t care. 

 

[Savoir Faire]

2 hours ago, Copper-pipee said:

I’d say head to Asia. It’s Disney land for adults. 
 Thailand is awesome. My next destination is Vietnam, currently I’m headed back to Thailand in 3 months. 

fyi guys. There are TONS of Russians and Ukrainian ladies in Thailand. They do charge a lot more than Asian ladies about 60 to 100 per 2 hours. About 200 for all day and night. They are also nowhere near as giggly and fun as the Asians, they do whatever you want but they're personalities are a lot like high volume pretty american escorts. Kind of like, let’s get this over with, very transactional.

I like Asians, if I want a white girl, I’d rather travel to any of the former Soviet Union.

The Eastern European girls are also funner in Europe vs in Thailand. Way more of a gfe experience. You definitely need to provide your own protection. A lot of the girls in Europe don’t provide and don’t care. 

 

I am just going to throw this out there LOL.........................................Imagine a group of us TOBers taking a trip to good old Asia.................... The ones like myself/Copper Pipe are well aware of one of heck of a time that awaits the average American that visits........................ Now if you guys would like to make this a reality, lets make it happen then..........................I promise you won't be the same when you get back to good old Colorado..................

 

[Copper-pipee]

20 hours ago, Savoir Faire said:

I am just going to throw this out there LOL.........................................Imagine a group of us TOBers taking a trip to good old Asia.................... The ones like myself/Copper Pipe are well aware of one of heck of a time that awaits the average American that visits........................ Now if you guys would like to make this a reality, lets make it happen then..........................I promise you won't be the same when you get back to good old Colorado..................

 

Haha. I’d be up for it. As long as we all get along, I wouldn’t mind a group of travel partners. I’m headed there in 3 months!! Haha. Check out Airbnb. There’s tons of options. 
 

The place I’m going has a pool, hot tub, bedroom jetted tub(i don’t know what the fuck that means), weights, restaurants, cardio equipment and plenty of security at the front door of the condo. All for 15 bucks a night. There are ways to find 5 dollar a night hotels, but I’d rather live in luxury for a few more dollars. 
 

The xpats are all over, you’ll always be able to bullshit with someone. Lots of brits, Australian, and American guys to talk to. 
 

A boys trip would be awesome. 

[Savoir Faire]

5 hours ago, Copper-pipee said:

Haha. I’d be up for it. As long as we all get along, I wouldn’t mind a group of travel partners. I’m headed there in 3 months!! Haha. Check out Airbnb. There’s tons of options. 
 

The place I’m going has a pool, hot tub, bedroom jetted tub(i don’t know what the fuck that means), weights, restaurants, cardio equipment and plenty of security at the front door of the condo. All for 15 bucks a night. There are ways to find 5 dollar a night hotels, but I’d rather live in luxury for a few more dollars. 
 

The xpats are all over, you’ll always be able to bullshit with someone. Lots of brits, Australian, and American guys to talk to. 
 

A boys trip would be awesome. 

I would be up for it as well, even if its just a couple of us LOL. I will see where I am at in life in a few months, I just may have to join you. I would have to throw the Philippines/Taiwaan/Japan/Thailand in there as well. I cannot believe they are still offering room and board for that low of a price. 

[Mike940370]

I know, after reading Copperpipes first post. I wanted to check flights and requirements to Bangkok and Pataya.

So tempting, but , where do you find $5 or even $15 a night rooms or Air B&Bs at?

Has anyone been to Pataya lately?

 

[Citori]

I had a coworker do a trip overseas, he told me he almost didn't come back to his wife and kids. Life changing for him.

 

 

 

[Copper-pipee]

On 12/17/2021 at 8:40 AM, Mike940370 said:

I know, after reading Copperpipes first post. I wanted to check flights and requirements to Bangkok and Pataya.

So tempting, but , where do you find $5 or even $15 a night rooms or Air B&Bs at?

Has anyone been to Pataya lately?

 

Just go to airbnb.com and input your price range and desired destination.  
 

I’m going to pattaya Thailand so, here’s what I punched in  https://www.airbnb.com/s/Pattaya-City--Chon-Buri--Thailand/homes?place_id=ChIJ49cxTZKVAjER_xC9qQHzf6k&refinement_paths%5B%5D=%2Fhomes&checkin=2022-03-16&checkout=2022-03-30&adults=1&tab_id=home_tab&query=Pattaya%20City%2C%20Chon%20Buri%2C%20Thailand&flexible_trip_lengths%5B%5D=weekend_trip&date_picker_type=calendar&price_max=15

There’s even cheaper places to stay, but I love the gym and security. 

[Copper-pipee]

15 hours ago, Citori said:

I had a coworker do a trip overseas, he told me he almost didn't come back to his wife and kids. Life changing for him.

 

 

 

Your friend would be correct. It’s cheap, amazing, beautiful, delicious food, full of gorgeous young women that are extremely submissive and traditional. It’s completely different than western women.  Even Eastern European girls are pretty fun on their home turf. 

it’s interesting the 9 out of 10 rule about Asia vs the states  

kind of like the gfe rule, out here you get 1 breath taking gfe encounter that you feel like they ACTUALLY want to kiss you, start round 2, snuggle,  and it feels like they’re making love to you. Then 9 okay gfe encounters. Where it’s  fun but there’s no passion. 

In South east Asia, it’s reversed. You get 9 awesome breathtaking gfe encounters then the occasional just okay gfe encounter.  
 

it’s supply vs demand. Go anywhere on the globe where attractive women out number average  men and you’ll experience bliss. 

[Copper-pipee]

Here’s another video from looksmaximus about Thailand.  Watch the whole thing. https://youtu.be/0Et5ffLO-So

[sparkey600]

On 12/12/2021 at 9:46 AM, dando.shaft said:

Average1, it doesn't seem to be letting me reply without showing a dozen posts, but yeah it seems like I am going to have to figure out a trip somewhere (I'm in northcentral PA now but spent 8 years in Denver in the 2010's, which is how I know about this board).   Thanks for your input!

Average 1 Will not EVER give you wrong advice. We've been friends for a lot of years and I trust him 100%

[sweetmoment]

Interesting forum thread.

[sparkey600]

7 hours ago, sweetmoment said:

Interesting forum thread.

How so?

[sweetmoment]

10 hours ago, sparkey600 said:

How so?

This thread interest me because when people converse or examine how people respond to incentives, they show the way the world really is. For more considerations about responding to incentives, you are welcome to consider Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner's "Freakonomics: The Hidden Side of Everything". So far, I read two of their books, which are as follows:

• "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything" and
• "Superfreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance"

For more information on these books, you can consider the Freakonomics website "Books" web page.

I just got to thinking, could there be an interest in a group of us reading a book or viewing a video of interest and then conversing about it, such as on this platform? If enough of us are curious and we want to consider more books or other mediums of interest, maybe we could form some kind of book or resource club.

[sparkey600]

I don't know about anyone else, but I love reading.

I'd be interested in this.

[dando.shaft]

Interesting my other post seems to have resurrected this old thread.  And my situation has gotten even worse since I wrote that.  My father passed so travel became more practical, but everyone I have tried to connect with in the last year or so either flaked, ghosted me, tried to scam, or just wanted too much money - one cam girl wanted $2400 for a 3 hour dinner and fun meet.  Now she was hot enough to be worth it but as I wasn't so into her that I would pay that much, I passed. And now I found one who I did make a booking, but then cancelled, and now she's threatening to expose me and/or get me arrested and/or come her and get her revenge on me (see other post).   Looks like my only hope is a trip to Eastern Europe after re-reading all the initial replies to my post - I know a few men in my online business group who appear to have very young Filipina wives.... but I'm just not attracted to Asians, especially darker skinned ones as you'd have in that part of the world. 

[ilovewomen]

OP, stay away for cam girls…you will never meet.

Stay away from STG if you can. There are some legit ladies on theee, but the majority are 3G’s or scammers.

Try to find a local board or maybe try Tryst.