No Vaccine then no "P"?

[Kali Sensual Reiki]

Fully vax here or you may call it a jab- has not been approved by FDA, yet is the only reql thing we have. I did ut for my elderly mother and for all of you. Everyone in my full fam. is now vaccinated. Plus, i got the flu shot which i swear was worse as far as after  affects. 

If anyone is needing help locating a facility for noculations?

https://www.walgreens.com/topic/promotion/covid-vaccine.jsp?ext=gooFY21_COVID+Vaccine_NB_BMMCOVID_NB_COVID+Vaccine_BMM_%2Bcovid19 %2Bvaccine&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=CjwKCAjw9aiIBhA1EiwAJ_GTSuYxFOAx8k4wrqZTllii-n72zhwHlpb10OueV9OMgw__XneGwx-vrRoC4vcQAvD_BwE

[Caressa Duval]

On 8/2/2021 at 6:44 PM, gr8owl said:

 

https://cdphe.colorado.gov/prevention-and-wellness/disease-and-injury-prevention/immunization/for-the-public/immunization

Thank you Gr8owl. I have tired this a couple of times and it works! This a great tool to screen people, and know if they are telling the truth about being vaccinated or not! The information comes up almost instant and that is also handy.

[Admiral C]

Well this is all quite interesting. So a PERSON in the hobby is vaxxed. OK. However, they "require" that any people they see are also vaxxed. Sorry, but that does not make any sense. If your vax works, it does not matter. If your vax does NOT work, than neither does theirs and it still does not matter. Before anyone goes all off on "variants bred by unvaxxed" tangents I suggest looking into the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth currently deployed in the Indian Ocean. 100% of the 1600 man crew is fully double vaccinated. They also have 100 crew sick with Delta.....a one in 16 infection rate...the highest rate anywhere in the history of Covid. What does that tell you?

[gr8owl]

35 minutes ago, Admiral C said:

Well this is all quite interesting. So a PERSON in the hobby is vaxxed. OK. However, they "require" that any people they see are also vaxxed. Sorry, but that does not make any sense. If your vax works, it does not matter. If your vax does NOT work, than neither does theirs and it still does not matter. Before anyone goes all off on "variants bred by unvaxxed" tangents I suggest looking into the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth currently deployed in the Indian Ocean. 100% of the 1600 man crew is fully double vaccinated. They also have 100 crew sick with Delta.....a one in 16 infection rate...the highest rate anywhere in the history of Covid. What does that tell you?

The best the vaccines do is 94 percent efficacy - the other 6 percent can and do come down with covid.  No vaccine is 100 percent effective.  So, yeah, even if you are vaccinated with one of the good vaccines - NO J&J!!! - you still have a 6 percent chance (believed to be higher with delta) of getting covid.  Just the math, dude. If the people you are in contact with are also vaccinated the odds get much much better due to the combination.  As to the British carrier 1 in 16 is ......... wait for it ......... 6.25 percent.  Exactly what one would expect when stuffed into a carrier in close quarters.  No mystery here to be found.

[gr8owl]

53 minutes ago, Admiral C said:

Well this is all quite interesting. So a PERSON in the hobby is vaxxed. OK. However, they "require" that any people they see are also vaxxed. Sorry, but that does not make any sense. If your vax works, it does not matter. If your vax does NOT work, than neither does theirs and it still does not matter. Before anyone goes all off on "variants bred by unvaxxed" tangents I suggest looking into the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth currently deployed in the Indian Ocean. 100% of the 1600 man crew is fully double vaccinated. They also have 100 crew sick with Delta.....a one in 16 infection rate...the highest rate anywhere in the history of Covid. What does that tell you?

BTW there are much more interesting and scary issues associated with the HMS QE, actually headed to play nuclear chicken in the South China Sea.  Best for another thread lol.

[MrReindeer-9515]

2 hours ago, Admiral C said:

Well this is all quite interesting. So a PERSON in the hobby is vaxxed. OK. However, they "require" that any people they see are also vaxxed. Sorry, but that does not make any sense. If your vax works, it does not matter. If your vax does NOT work, than neither does theirs and it still does not matter. Before anyone goes all off on "variants bred by unvaxxed" tangents I suggest looking into the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth currently deployed in the Indian Ocean. 100% of the 1600 man crew is fully double vaccinated. They also have 100 crew sick with Delta.....a one in 16 infection rate...the highest rate anywhere in the history of Covid. What does that tell you?

Other than using the thread as a step stool to get up on your personal soapbox, why should a screening criterion like vaccination status make any difference to you? 

[Happymon]

11 hours ago, gr8owl said:

The best the vaccines do is 94 percent efficacy - the other 6 percent can and do come down with covid.  No vaccine is 100 percent effective.  So, yeah, even if you are vaccinated with one of the good vaccines - NO J&J!!! - you still have a 6 percent chance (believed to be higher with delta) of getting covid.  

94% effective does not mean 6% of the vaccinated population are at risk. 

It does mean that you personally have a 6% chance.  Personal risk is not population risk. If you already have minimal risk of severe COVID, you have a 6% exposure on already minimal risk. 

J&J is perfectly effective against severe COVID. 

[gr8owl]

1 hour ago, Happymon said:

94% effective does not mean 6% of the vaccinated population are at risk. 

It does mean that you personally have a 6% chance.  Personal risk is not population risk. If you already have minimal risk of severe COVID, you have a 6% exposure on already minimal risk. 

J&J is perfectly effective against severe COVID. 

I do not believe it is productive to argue probability theory and statistics on this board., so I will pass.  The questions I was responding to were

1. If you are vaccinated what difference does it make if the other person you are interacting with is vaccinated?

Vaccination greatly reduces your odds of contracting the disease, and even better odds against becoming seriously ill.  But there is still a very real possibility of coming down with the disease even if vaccinated - your odds are just much better for staying well with the vaccine than without.  MUCH better.  In the circumstances in question - intimate contact, locking lips, heavily breathing sweet nothings in her ear and face, etc. in closed indoor conditions and obviously your chances of getting infected are much higher than in the general population under "normal" life conditions which is how the effectiveness of the vaccines are rated.  But if the other person is also vaccinated your odds are greatly reduced compared to if they are not.  Should a lady require proof - up to her how she runs her business, but yes, it improves her odds of staying well.  How much improvement - don't have a number, not aware of any studies of escort interactions and covid spread, just common sense.

2.  The number of cases of covid on a British war ship out at sea.

That 6.25% of sailors in a confined space and close quarters on board a naval vessel have tested positive for covid is absolutely no surprise and no indication of the vaccines not working.  (How many would be sick if there were no vaccine?  A hell of a lot more!!!)  And especially not given lack of info as to percentage vaccinated, when, with which vaccine, on ship quarantine capabilities, etc. etc. and has ZERO to do with whether the fine members here should be vaccinated or not or only see those who are also vaccinated.

Lastly, no J&J is far, far from "perfectly effective"  Both Pfizer and Moderna have efficacy ratings even against the delta version in the range of 90 to 95 %.  J&J is rated around 60% at best against the delta version.  That is a major difference - pick whichever one you want, but the choice is clear to me.  Lastly 2.0: everyone, especially J&J wants to couch in terms of "against severe disease, hospitalization", etc.  But that ignores long haul syndrome and at less than 60 percent in preventing you from catching mild or moderate cases J&J sucks IMHO.  Make your own choices, but J&J is far from "perfectly effective."  Easier to handle, easier to distribute, only one shot but NOT nearly as effective.  I value results over convenience when my life is on the line.

[Mustang87]

I'd thought I'd give my 2 cents (because that is probably all it is worth) on the topic of requiring your partner be vaccinated before seeing them in the hobby. I got Covid in January of this year and then got the JJ shot this spring because that is what the VA was offering the day I went in. I hadn't seen any ladies for a number of weeks prior to Covid and didn't see any until well after the quarantine period.  I think since getting the shot I've seen 6 ladies in the hobby on 7 different occasions, and literally the topic of being vaccinated has never come up, either during screening, booking or face to face.   I'm not saying that's how it normally works in the hobby, or that is how it should work, I'm just saying that has been my personal experience. I know that is only antidotal, barely worth the 2 cents you paid for it, but it has been my experience.

[Seeker5280]

I received my final vaccine shot in March. I have seen the same lady for the last two to three months who is not vaccinated. I will continue to see her regardless of her vaccination status.

I believe that the vaccine does work as advertised!
 

 

[Admiral C]

20 hours ago, MrReindeer-9515 said:

Other than using the thread as a step stool to get up on your personal soapbox, why should a screening criterion like vaccination status make any difference to you? 

Soapbox comments aside, in answer to your question, vaccination status or screening by vaccination status make zero difference to me. We are all free to do what we want to do.

[Admiral C]

22 hours ago, gr8owl said:

BTW there are much more interesting and scary issues associated with the HMS QE, actually headed to play nuclear chicken in the South China Sea.  Best for another thread lol.

I would'nt worry too much about that. China has the largest, most modern and advanced naval fleet by a huge margin. Other nations ships are only there to saber rattle and would not dare do more.

 

 

[gr8owl]

4 minutes ago, Admiral C said:

I would'nt worry too much about that. China has the largest, most modern and advanced naval fleet by a huge margin. Other nations ships are only there to saber rattle and would not dare do more.

 

 

The vast majority - 90+% - of microchips that we are totally dependent upon come from Taiwan. China will invade Taiwan as soon as they are confident we can't stop them.  They consider it part of China, and understandably so.  Obviously we can't afford to let them.  I am not remotely optimistic about this time bomb that has been ticking for 70 odd years.  It is insane that we ever allowed ourselves to be dependent on Taiwan for anything of importance.  The only thing that might slow China down in this cluster fuck is not wanting to lose their biggest market.

[Caressa Duval]

9 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

I'd thought I'd give my 2 cents (because that is probably all it is worth) on the topic of requiring your partner be vaccinated before seeing them in the hobby. I got Covid in January of this year and then got the JJ shot this spring because that is what the VA was offering the day I went in. I hadn't seen any ladies for a number of weeks prior to Covid and didn't see any until well after the quarantine period.  I think since getting the shot I've seen 6 ladies in the hobby on 7 different occasions, and literally the topic of being vaccinated has never come up, either during screening, booking or face to face.   I'm not saying that's how it normally works in the hobby, or that is how it should work, I'm just saying that has been my personal experience. I know that is only antidotal, barely worth the 2 cents you paid for it, but it has been my experience.

You are such a sweetheart! I did not want the JnJ vaccine. That being said, I can't damn for someone for trying. Seems like low income we are thrown under the  bus.  I did not want imagine ever such a  day, but it hurts really. You can try, I but I can't...you just just have to vaccinate. Please just vaccinate.  Think of the children and babies you are spreading this to!'

[zman999]

On 8/4/2021 at 9:38 AM, Hunter VanDyke said:

The vaccine card i got looks pretty simple to replicate as a fake. I'm going with the honor system. 

I guess I could go pick up a scanner and just scan their arm for the barcode. 🤣🤣🤣

Buwhahah. That made me laugh more than I should 🤣🤣🤣🤣.  I had a friend that got her Tdap shot recently and she said it hurt way worse than her moderna covid....she said the tracker must have been larger in the Tdap 🤣. 

In regards to the OP I have no issues with someone asking and I happily discuss with any ladies (the ones I've seen have casually brought it up). I wouldn't share my vax card with anyone but as long as it's on the honor system I'm kinda happy when they ask actually. 

[Hunter VanDyke]

1 hour ago, zman999 said:

Buwhahah. That made me laugh more than I should 🤣🤣🤣🤣.  I had a friend that got her Tdap shot recently and she said it hurt way worse than her moderna covid....she said the tracker must have been larger in the Tdap 🤣. 

In regards to the OP I have no issues with someone asking and I happily discuss with any ladies (the ones I've seen have casually brought it up). I wouldn't share my vax card with anyone but as long as it's on the honor system I'm kinda happy when they ask actually. 

Fortunately gents have been quick to send cards over as soon as I ask if they're vaxxed.  Hell they volunteer them before I even get around to asking half the time. Nice!

[333halfevil]

Vaccinate!!!

[Bit Banger]

The more I look into vaccinations the more I go “Hmm?”  I’m surprised the anti-GMO crowd isn’t all over this.  Yes, the concept of mRNA therapy has been around since the mid-60s*, but this is the first human application and it’s received one of the shortest FDA test cycles in history.
 

(*) In the mid-60s I considered a career in this very field, hoping to find a cure for cancer and genetic diseases. But a few years in the service with electronics training altered the course of my life.

[gr8owl]

Procrastinate much?  At least it sounds like you are thinking about getting vaccinated.  BTW the FDA review time was shorter than normal, but there is the data of 200 million (or whatever the current number is) shots administered with serious side effects being rare.  And unless I am mistaken GMO generally refers to modified dna, not spoofing cell/dna into manufacturing a very custom antibody.  A function the cells/dna already do.  So compared to actually changing the dna, chromosomes etc. it is not the same thing.

[Bit Banger]

3 hours ago, gr8owl said:

…  At least it sounds like you are thinking about getting vaccinated.  BTW the FDA review time was shorter than normal, but there is the data of 200 million (or whatever the current number is) shots administered …

Yes. I usually get my flu shot(s) each fall.  That 200M is becoming a respectable Beta test.

I remember when “genetic engineering” meant that you shook the tassels of this corn field in that field for next years seed corn, or bred this stallion to that mare.

BTW: Covid is catching up with the 1958 and 1968(Hong Kong) flu pandemics (percentage of world population deaths) as we keep counting ‘variants’. Where do we keep track of the lives destroyed by the panic?

[Caressa Duval]

5 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Yes. I usually get my flu shot(s) each fall.  That 200M is becoming a respectable Beta test.

I remember when “genetic engineering” meant that you shook the tassels of this corn field in that field for next years seed corn, or bred this stallion to that mare.

BTW: Covid is catching up with the 1958 and 1968(Hong Kong) flu pandemics (percentage of world population deaths) as we keep counting ‘variants’. Where do we keep track of the lives destroyed by the panic?

This something I was watching form the very first day of the pandemic. As any person with a global social consciousness should. It was buried in the headlines, but the numbers have been out there since the start BB. "Deaths of Despair" personally I was watching anything published about this.  I was thinking of the poor, the disabled, the people with health problems, the incredible stress, and the ridiculous idea to call liquor stores essential.  Countless people lost access to primary medical care, access to therapy, access to support groups ect.   There is a day shelter for homeless children in Denver, and yes we have an astonishing rate of children living on their own on the streets in Colorado. I heard just before winter that due to Covid they had to remain closed, where did the children go for help now. Why weren't those children on the top of the news.

This IS a global problem,  and the pandemic and panic was across the earth not just here. This entire world was could have behaved better to prevent this from becoming the tragedy is is. 

If a person is SOOO concerned about the numbers of lives destroyed by the pandemic, not the disease, all a person had to do was Google it!!! They have been counting from the start, and they are hoping to have the numbers by the end of the year according to many reports. 

Vaccinate! We have to do everything possible to protect the children that are too young to get the vaccine.

My requests in the last 3 weeks from clients have gone from occasionally asking me, if I am vaccinated, to all of them asking me.

Here is just one of many, many of those reports following those numbers, hope it helps : https://ifstudies.org/blog/deaths-of-despair-and-covid-19-what-we-know-so-far

[gr8owl]

7 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Yes. I usually get my flu shot(s) each fall.  Covid is not flu, so ......  That 200M is becoming a respectable Beta test.

I remember when “genetic engineering” meant that you shook the tassels of this corn field in that field for next years seed corn, or bred this stallion to that mare.

BTW: Covid is catching up with the 1958 and 1968(Hong Kong) flu pandemics (percentage of world population deaths) as we keep counting ‘variants’. Where do we keep track of the lives destroyed by the panic? The unvaccinated can help greatly to end what you call the "panic" by getting vaccinated, wearing masks where appropriate and stopping the political nonsense.

 

[Caressa Duval]

It is absolutely required to see me to be fully vaccinated.  I will not accept, "Oh but I have better I had Covid and I have natural immunity."  As for anyone lying to me that they are vaccinated, when they are not, and I find out about it.  I will put you on the blacklist! 

Now that the vaccine has FDA approval, there is no more excuses. If you choose not to get the vaccine, that is your choice. You can look for providers that don't require it. 

Literally every optional activity in my life is requiring that I am vaccinated if I wish to go, and some are requiring both the vaccine and rapid testing before.  "P" is an optional activity that has always required safety measures.  This is no different than a man saying, I don't need a condom because I had a vasectomy and I have recently been tested for STDs. 

What we do is extremely close contact, and taking every precaution is the only way to keep the hobby community safe.

[Old_Timer]

2 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

It is absolutely required to see me to be fully vaccinated.  I will not accept, "Oh but I have better I had Covid and I have natural immunity."  As for anyone lying to me that they are vaccinated, when they are not, and I find out about it.  I will put you on the blacklist! 

Now that the vaccine has FDA approval, there is no more excuses. If you choose not to get the vaccine, that is your choice. You can look for providers that don't require it. 

Literally every optional activity in my life is requiring that I am vaccinated if I wish to go, and some are requiring both the vaccine and rapid testing before.  "P" is an optional activity that has always required safety measures.  This is no different than a man saying, I don't need a condom because I had a vasectomy and I have recently been tested for STDs. 

What we do is extremely close contact, and taking every precaution is the only way to keep the hobby community safe.

Thank you for your efforts to protect us all. 💛 😷

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

We lived! 🤣🤣🤣

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Hobby Hobbit

[Hunter VanDyke]

2 hours ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

We lived! 🤣🤣🤣

 

Not all the members here did live.  You don't even know who's no longer with us.  You're just a moron spouting out inaccurate things you THINK are funny and smart, but they're just ignorant and immature.  You always claim your posts are so honest, but you're really full of shit. 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

6 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

Not all the members here did live.  You don't even know who's no longer with us.  You're just a moron spouting out inaccurate things you THINK are funny and smart, but they're just ignorant and immature.  You always claim your posts are so honest, but you're really full of shit. 

Ignorant? Immature? Full of shit? Them pretty big words for the painfully small mind that can't even begin to compute "case fatality rate" much less s-t-a-t-i-s-t-i-c-a-l a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s https://www.simplilearn.com/what-is-statistical-analysis-article.

How did you do it?! Oh, that's right! You couldn't . https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/16/1122650502/scientists-debate-how-lethal-covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu

Don't quit your day job!

Edited September 24, 2022 by Hobby Hobbit

[gr8owl]

1 hour ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

Ignorant? Immature? Full of shit? Them pretty big words for the painfully small mind that can't even begin to compute "case fatality rate" much less s-t-a-t-i-s-t-i-c-a-l a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s https://www.simplilearn.com/what-is-statistical-analysis-article.

How did you do it?! Oh, that's right! You couldn't . https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/16/1122650502/scientists-debate-how-lethal-covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu

Don't quit your day job!

From your own link,:

Gandhi and other researchers argue that most people today have enough immunity — gained from vaccination, infection or both — to protect them against getting seriously ill from COVID. And this is especially so since the omicron variant doesn't appear to make people as sick as earlier strains, Gandhi says.

 

Thanks to vaccination and the fact that the CURRENT strains - as very widely reported - are far more contagious BUT far less deadly, yes we can act fairly "normal" as long as we are NOT idiots and try to make it "just like flu"  It is ignorant and irresponsible for anti-vaxxers such as your self to STILL promote lies and disinformation and try to convince others to be reckless and stupid with their personal health.  It remains a fact that 50,000 or less die from flu in any given year.  Over 1,000,000 have died of covid in a little over two years.  There is no comparison.  We may well not be nearly so lucky with inevitable future strains.

As to attacking others while you are at it - that just proves the level of character you have.

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

22 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

From your own link,:

Gandhi and other researchers argue that most people today have enough immunity — gained from vaccination, infection or both — to protect them against getting seriously ill from COVID. And this is especially so since the omicron variant doesn't appear to make people as sick as earlier strains, Gandhi says.

 

Thanks to vaccination and the fact that the CURRENT strains - as very widely reported - are far more contagious BUT far less deadly, yes we can act fairly "normal" as long as we are NOT idiots and try to make it "just like flu"  It is ignorant and irresponsible for anti-vaxxers such as your self to STILL promote lies and disinformation and try to convince others to be reckless and stupid with their personal health.  It remains a fact that 50,000 or less die from flu in any given year.  Over 1,000,000 have died of covid in a little over two years.  There is no comparison.  We may well not be nearly so lucky with inevitable future strains.

As to attacking others while you are at it - that just proves the level of character you have.

Encompassing all of time, the GANDI point you make in bold does not negate mine which is that, not just currently but, after all is said and done, the fatality rate is .1%. Not to mention, "1,000,000", if you believe the hype:

Again, I will ALWAYS give as good as I get now, STFU

Edited September 24, 2022 by Hobby Hobbit

[Hunter VanDyke]

1 hour ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

Ignorant? Immature? Full of shit? Them pretty big words for the painfully small mind that can't even begin to compute "case fatality rate" much less s-t-a-t-i-s-t-i-c-a-l a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s https://www.simplilearn.com/what-is-statistical-analysis-article.

How did you do it?! Oh, that's right! You couldn't . https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/16/1122650502/scientists-debate-how-lethal-covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu

Don't quit your day job!

I'm talking about the members here who died of covid.  While you simply shout, we lived! with a stupid gif.   Again, Ignorant and Imature. 

Your tag line 99problems is comical.  You have problems on top of problems.  That's why you're here.  You don't even make a dollar here.  You must have a lot of woman problems at home you need to escape from.