Ladies that post with no donation specified

[Keyser]

11 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 The complete lack of understanding from the client side? The entitlement? Maybe it's also because it's not actually negotiating that happens with us. It's more like an ultimatum. I want to pay this price and you get to take it or leave it. Negotiating implies that it's two sided but it rarely is.

Holy Double Standard, Batman! 

So, what you're saying is that when a client says "I want to pay this price and you get to take it or leave it" that is a one sided ultimatum, but when you say "this is the price, no negotiating, take it or leave it", that is somehow different?  If i walk into my bosses office tomorrow and say "From now on my salary is $1,000,000/yr, take it or leave it" I should somehow be offended if he tries to negotiate or fires me?

Their tactics may leave something to be desired, but all the guy is doing is making an offer (just like you are when you advertise).  You have no obligation to accept, any more than I have an obligation to pay your advertised rates if I don't want to.  This is the beauty of free market capitalism.

The fact is that you've been negotiating since you earned your first nickle.  You've arrived at your current rate by posting ads and seeing what the response is.  If you advertise at $1000 per hour and the phone is silent, when you post the next week with a lower rate you have just responded to a negotiation.  In the end, you've arrived at your current rate because it is the point where the lines intersect between what you are willing to work for and what your clients are willing to pay.  All of our salaries are determined just the same, it's what we are willing to work for and what the market is willing to pay for our services.  Like it or not, that's economic fact.

When you advertise, you're making an offer.  If a counter offer offends you, the problem is in the mirror.

 

[sparkey600]

On 4/13/2016 at 7:02 PM, wglide2003 said:

You are right, it is a pain to look for her donation, what is really a pain is when you find several different amounts.

I agree with you bro!

[Big unit]

I skip, no donation set means you don't want my business.

[Bit Banger]

4 hours ago, Big unit said:

I skip, no donation set means you don't want my business.

At the swap meets I attend, no price listed == FREE 😜

[Lucy Kitten]

9 hours ago, Keyser said:

Holy Double Standard, Batman! 

So, what you're saying is that when a client says "I want to pay this price and you get to take it or leave it" that is a one sided ultimatum, but when you say "this is the price, no negotiating, take it or leave it", that is somehow different?  If i walk into my bosses office tomorrow and say "From now on my salary is $1,000,000/yr, take it or leave it" I should somehow be offended if he tries to negotiate or fires me?

Their tactics may leave something to be desired, but all the guy is doing is making an offer (just like you are when you advertise).  You have no obligation to accept, any more than I have an obligation to pay your advertised rates if I don't want to.  This is the beauty of free market capitalism.

The fact is that you've been negotiating since you earned your first nickle.  You've arrived at your current rate by posting ads and seeing what the response is.  If you advertise at $1000 per hour and the phone is silent, when you post the next week with a lower rate you have just responded to a negotiation.  In the end, you've arrived at your current rate because it is the point where the lines intersect between what you are willing to work for and what your clients are willing to pay.  All of our salaries are determined just the same, it's what we are willing to work for and what the market is willing to pay for our services.  Like it or not, that's economic fact.

When you advertise, you're making an offer.  If a counter offer offends you, the problem is in the mirror.

 

A business offering a service at a specified price is not a double standard. Fluctuating prices based on market is not negotiating. It's called business. The difference between your job and mine is that I am my boss and if I wanted to charge 1k an hour I could. False equivalency. You don't set your pay, I do.

The buyer does not get to make the ultimatum for the seller. The seller offers a price and if you don't like it move on, don't try to give economic lessons. Providers are not commodities, we're not a product. We're humans. When you negotiate a providers rate you are negotiating what YOU think she's worth.

If a counter offer offends me the problem certainly isn't me but thanks for trying to make it personal. Negotiating a rate will always be in poor taste no matter how hard you try and convince otherwise. Tell me were else in life you negotiate the price of something like that? No client has the obligation to pay a ladies advertised rate, if he is choosing not to see her. But no client has the right to negotiate. Or make a counter offer which again isn't negotiating.

Why is it that guys think they get to make these decisions for a business as a client? Do you leave comments like this at restaurants? Do you haggle over the price of milk? Do you bitch at gas stations until they give that cheap price that you saw across town?

Why is there a need to negotiate a providers rate at all?

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/271105

[Lucy Kitten]

10 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

This is the part Lucy doesn't seem to get.  I'm not forcing anyone to accept my offer.

 

The part you don't seem to get is that you shouldn't be making the offer in the first place.

[Lucy Kitten]

19 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Please explain to me why "... the client should have no power in this area."  Is it because you demand total control of the situation?  Is that really fair?

As a matter of fact, we are entering into a contractual arrangement.  I have actually written contracts, detailing our respective responsibilities and understandings, for my travel companions.  It eliminates a lot of misunderstandings.

Agreed, I don't bother to negotiate for a $1 candy bar.  But the higher the price the more likely I (or you) will negotiate the transaction.  We negotiate an auto purchase, a home sale, our salary, ... the list goes on.  Sometimes these negotiations are directly with the seller (or their agent).  Sometimes we negotiate by taking our business to another vendor.  Why should this big ticket item be any different?

Negotiations are a two-sided event.  Each side has something the other wants.  It's up to each side to determine how much they are willing to give up in order to have what the other side is offering.   There may be other pressures (rent, habits, etc.) which enter into one side's decision, but similar pressures may exist on the other side.  Why is it "devaluing and demoralizing" to arrive at a fair exchange, the crossing point of the Supply & Demand curves?  What mental games are you playing with yourself to arrive at this assessment?

You may think that you control your rates, but that would be incorrect.  The Market determines what your services are worth.  I could demand $1000/hr for my services as a programmer, and quickly starve while I die of boredom.  I could also offer my services at $5/hr, and starve nearly as fast but exhausted.  Unless perverted by government fiat. the laws explained in Econ 101 control transactions.

BTW: I did not say that I would not entertain counter offers.  I'm not that pig-headed.  I remember asking in one case "What would it take ...?"  My response to her answer was, "I think I can do better than that." and doubled her figure because I thought it was more reasonable and still w/in my budget constraints.

The power of the price rests with the business not the client. Why do you feel as a client that you should have some power at all? You are the consumer who is following the guidelines set by the seller. Despite what Pretty Woman taught us you are not hiring an employee.

No we are not entering a contractual agreement. You are buying something like a product. You either do or don't agree to the terms set by the seller. Contract beyond a price implies obligation and that is a turn off.

It's demoralizing because you're telling a person what you think their time and services are worth based on your income. You're not considering the actual market then just your personal finances. And lets be honest, negotiating is always about getting less for more right? Providers are not going to list a 10 day rate because that is ridiculously arbitrary. You want a jumping off point for negotiations? Her overnight rate times ten.

Ultimately provider economics exist in their own little bubble. And it can be a pretty volatile market. Rates we can agree are set based on who will pay them but rates aren't always a great indicator of the market. Sites like TOB, TER and the other similar advertising sites have higher than what the actual market can bear rates. Because ladies are competing against the other rates they see posted by those who they see as competition. The higher the rate the fewer clients it takes to sustain so it's only a small number of clients needed to pay those rates to keep rates higher. So who really has the control? And what can a market actually bear? And why should sellers of luxury services be so concerned with catering to hagglers?

"she has the Yea|Nay decision.   There's not a lot of back & forth on compensation." Seems to indicate to me that you weren't really open to negotiations.

 

[Bit Banger]

34 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

A business offering a service at a specified price is not a double standard. Fluctuating prices based on market is not negotiating. It's called business. The difference between your job and mine is that I am my boss and if I wanted to charge 1k an hour I could. False equivalency. You don't set your pay, I do.

The buyer does not get to make the ultimatum for the seller. The seller offers a price and if you don't like it move on, don't try to give economic lessons. Providers are not commodities, we're not a product. We're humans. When you negotiate a providers rate you are negotiating what YOU think she's worth.

If a counter offer offends me the problem certainly isn't me but thanks for trying to make it personal. Negotiating a rate will always be in poor taste no matter how hard you try and convince otherwise. Tell me were else in life you negotiate the price of something like that? No client has the obligation to pay a ladies advertised rate, if he is choosing not to see her. But no client has the right to negotiate. Or make a counter offer which again isn't negotiating.

Why is it that guys think they get to make these decisions for a business as a client? Do you leave comments like this at restaurants? Do you haggle over the price of milk? Do you bitch at gas stations until they give that cheap price that you saw across town?

Why is there a need to negotiate a providers rate at all?

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/271105

Ahh! Now I see the problem.  You are conflating your services with your person. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

A provider is no more special than a ditch digger or a CEO.  It is NOT their value as a person, but rather the value of their services being set by the market.  If negotiating a rate is always in poor taste, then every union in the world is in poor taste because they negotiate labor rates all the time.  I negotiated salary (compensation for my services) at nearly every job interview I attended, and often again at my annual review. 

A client always has the right to negotiate, or make a counter offer (which is negotiating); just as the seller has the right to refuse.  I don't make the decision for the business; I make the decision for myself as a customer.  I make the decision about how much I'm willing to pay; not how much the business should charge.

Back in the day when I was a software consultant, I charged a rate if you engaged my services for a day.  I charged a different rate if you engaged my services for a month.  And yet another rate if you engaged my services for a year.  My firm would also alter the rates if you engaged more than one consultant as part of the contract.  They did this for good reasons (some mentioned in the article you linked), the most significant being the reduction in overhead with the extended contracts.

A point you seem to be glossing over is that when I make an offer, it's for an extended engagement, not covered by published rates.  I'm not trying to be a part of the Austin OPEC, trying to force down the hourly rates of providers for conventional appointments.

BTW: Your gas station analogy fails.  Ever hear of "gas wars".  Don't forget that a few years ago the public bitched about the high price of gasoline (approaching $4/gal).  So the fuel companies lowered the price of gas, by raising the price of diesel fuel.  The public got cheap gas, but failed to notice that the price of everything else they bought went up.

[Kandi Apple]

Haggling is not an option. You try to haggle and you will not get through the door! 

If this works for any gentlemen, the ladies that let their self be haggled down deserve the pennies that they get thrown at them. 

The posted donation is what we charge we provide a service for that donation. Offering time and companionship.

If you're a gentleman and abide by the rules of being a hobbyist by respecting ladies time, you are guaranteed a memorable experience.

Haggling only makes you seem like a jerk. Ladies usually don't like to meet jerks especially cheap ones.

In this world we should all know by now you get what you pay for.

[Studman]

I don't haggle but I do ask if she is offering any specials or discounts 

[Bit Banger]

 

1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

... We're humans. When you negotiate a providers rate you are negotiating what YOU think she's worth....

When I was young, the human body was worth $0.80, based on the market for the constituent chemical components. (/sarcasm)

(Not adjusted for 50 years of inflation!)

[Bit Banger]

41 minutes ago, Kandi Apple said:

Haggling is not an option. You try to haggle and you will not get through the door! 

...

Let's trot out all the prerogative synonyms: haggle, dicker, deal, horse trade, arbitrate, compromise, ... 

 

[Guest]

I don't get where you guys are wrong. 

1. Hey Sarah so and so, I think you're worth this xxxx so are you as worthless ad my offer.

Or

Hi Sarah so and so, my name is john. I was wondering if you were running any specials. I have seen your ads for a while, but I'm on a limited budget. I am also willing to save my pennies. 

One is polite, one is not. You have the choice to ignore the email, respond in a bitch you manner, or get whatever money you can. It's up to you.

[pfunk]

Geeez, put a nail in this coffin already. People will try to negotiate no matter what the clients, or escorts, write on here. 

If a client offers a price outside the escorts posted rates, she can turn it down, make a counter offer, or refuse to do anything further. 

If an escort doesn't like clients trying to negotiate, she can say that in ads, and on web pages. Clients should honor that request.

Haggling offends some people, and I'm one of them. Therefore, I never do it. I also refuse to work for people who try to negotiate, after I've set a price for my work. 

 

 

 

 

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

A provider is no more special than a ditch digger or a CEO.  It is NOT their value as a person, but rather the value of their services being set by the market. 

BTW:

I've known ditch diggers who were wonderful people, a real credit to the human race.

I've also known CEOs who were a waste of oxygen as people., but they knew how to manage a company.

The providers I've met over the past 50 years fall into both categories, some are a credit to society, some are a waste of oxygen.

 

[BigBaldBlk]

It's funny how this turned into a RATES thread when the OP originally asked if a ladies donation isn't provided what would you do?  Rates, race & why won't a provider see me because I'm "X" will always be hot topics that (imo) will never be settled in forums.  Did the needle move any further in changing anyone's opinion???

[Buddy Glass]

2 hours ago, Kandi Apple said:

Haggling is not an option. You try to haggle and you will not get through the door! 

If this works for any gentlemen, the ladies that let their self be haggled down deserve the pennies that they get thrown at them. 

The posted donation is what we charge we provide a service for that donation. Offering time and companionship.

If you're a gentleman and abide by the rules of being a hobbyist by respecting ladies time, you are guaranteed a memorable experience.

Haggling only makes you seem like a jerk. Ladies usually don't like to meet jerks especially cheap ones.

In this world we should all know by now you get what you pay for.

Bit and Lucy are arguing different points. Bit isn't saying he haggles an ad with a rate. He's saying he'll make an offer for something like an overnight if no overnight rate is listed. Lucy is saying it's tacky to negotiate the listed rate. Bit repeated that it's for an unlisted rate. Lucy repeated that you shouldn't haggle. At this point, they're arguing past each other. 

"Ladies usually don't like to meet jerks especially cheap ones." I love this line. I'm dropping anywhere from $200-$300 for just an hour of fun, whenever I get the urge. I'm not worried about looking cheap. If you're that worried about money, come do my job, where you'll make the kind of money that allows you to drop $200-$300 for an hour of fun when you feel like it. 

[ironman318]

35 minutes ago, BigBaldBlk said:

It's funny how this turned into a RATES thread when the OP originally asked if a ladies donation isn't provided what would you do?  Rates, race & why won't a provider see me because I'm "X" will always be hot topics that (imo) will never be settled in forums.  Did the needle move any further in changing anyone's opinion???

Got to agree with BBB. Nobody is right until somebody is wrong. 

[Ana]

Haggling...never liked that word

Negotiating? Oh, I love it! That's what I do for a living, and with all the modesty I can muster, I am really good at it!

 

Yet, escorting is my escape, my release,not my job . And because I have a limited time to enjoy it,  I try my best to respect everyone's time and schedule, and I post my rates. 

Now, I might be guilty of having different rates on different sites, since my go to one is P411...if that's the case, I apologize 😘😘😘

[Bit Banger]

40 minutes ago, Buddy Glass said:

Bit and Lucy are arguing different points. Bit isn't saying he haggles an ad with a rate. He's saying he'll make an offer for something like an overnight if no overnight rate is listed. Lucy is saying it's tacky to negotiate the listed rate. Bit repeated that it's for an unlisted rate. Lucy repeated that you shouldn't haggle. At this point, they're arguing past each other. 

"...

You're right, Buddy.  We're arguing past each other.  As I understand Lucy's non-negotiable rates, I should do the math using her hourly rate and take it or leave it.

40 minutes ago, Buddy Glass said:

...If you're that worried about money, come do my job, where you'll make the kind of money that allows you to drop $200-$300 for an hour of fun when you feel like it. 

Or do my last job, where it took weeks to earn that kind of coin.  But the office (outdoors with a view of the Mummy Range) was pretty neat.

 

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, BigBaldBlk said:

It's funny how this turned into a RATES thread when the OP originally asked if a ladies donation isn't provided what would you do?  Rates, race & why won't a provider see me because I'm "X" will always be hot topics that (imo) will never be settled in forums.  Did the needle move any further in changing anyone's opinion???

I would disagree with your first point.  I was discussing what I do when a lady's donation for the service I'm requesting is not posted.  I will confess this led down a path to Econ 101 and The Sins of The Deal.^*

I would agree with your second point.  The needle probably didn't even wiggle.

 

^* Apologies to The Donald

[Lucy Kitten]

3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Ahh! Now I see the problem.  You are conflating your services with your person. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

A provider is no more special than a ditch digger or a CEO.  It is NOT their value as a person, but rather the value of their services being set by the market.  If negotiating a rate is always in poor taste, then every union in the world is in poor taste because they negotiate labor rates all the time.  I negotiated salary (compensation for my services) at nearly every job interview I attended, and often again at my annual review. 

A client always has the right to negotiate, or make a counter offer (which is negotiating); just as the seller has the right to refuse.  I don't make the decision for the business; I make the decision for myself as a customer.  I make the decision about how much I'm willing to pay; not how much the business should charge.

Back in the day when I was a software consultant, I charged a rate if you engaged my services for a day.  I charged a different rate if you engaged my services for a month.  And yet another rate if you engaged my services for a year.  My firm would also alter the rates if you engaged more than one consultant as part of the contract.  They did this for good reasons (some mentioned in the article you linked), the most significant being the reduction in overhead with the extended contracts.

A point you seem to be glossing over is that when I make an offer, it's for an extended engagement, not covered by published rates.  I'm not trying to be a part of the Austin OPEC, trying to force down the hourly rates of providers for conventional appointments.

BTW: Your gas station analogy fails.  Ever hear of "gas wars".  Don't forget that a few years ago the public bitched about the high price of gasoline (approaching $4/gal).  So the fuel companies lowered the price of gas, by raising the price of diesel fuel.  The public got cheap gas, but failed to notice that the price of everything else they bought went up.

Nope not conflating anything. You are confusing provider services with something similar to a tangible product. No one said providers were more special but that the economics are different.

You also have the right to piss all over the bathroom floor but you don't do that because? Every analogy you use fails because you consistently forget that you are dealing with real life humans. I have heard of gas wars but DO YOU ASK FOR A CHEAPER RATE at a gas station because you know that it's cheaper somewhere else? No you don't. You do not negotiate purchases in life.

Just because you assume you have some sort of right doesn't mean you should exercise it. As usual you fail to address any of my actual points made.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/271105

[Lucy Kitten]

57 minutes ago, Buddy Glass said:

Bit and Lucy are arguing different points. Bit isn't saying he haggles an ad with a rate. He's saying he'll make an offer for something like an overnight if no overnight rate is listed. Lucy is saying it's tacky to negotiate the listed rate. Bit repeated that it's for an unlisted rate. Lucy repeated that you shouldn't haggle. At this point, they're arguing past each other. 

"Ladies usually don't like to meet jerks especially cheap ones." I love this line. I'm dropping anywhere from $200-$300 for just an hour of fun, whenever I get the urge. I'm not worried about looking cheap. If you're that worried about money, come do my job, where you'll make the kind of money that allows you to drop $200-$300 for an hour of fun when you feel like it. 

Just because no rate is listed doesn't mean you get to make one up. A 10 day date is oddly specific so one should ask for the rate instead of making an offer. No one has the time or the interest to create a rate structure for every imaginable amount of time. If there is no price listed and you just make an offer you are negotiating. If the seller wants to negotiate then they can initiate. I have said that more than once if there is no rate listed YOU ASK to do anything else is haggling.

That really nice BMW across the lot has no price listed, even though common sense says I could probably figure it out but maybe I'll just make on offer on what I think it's worth.

Is it so hard to ask for a rate for an odd amount of time?

[gr8owl]

The "no negotiation ever" theory would be helped along greatly if some ladies did not include some or all of the following in their ads:

• no mention of rates
• "ask about my specials"
• "rates negotiable"
• rates for ten different levels and packages with nebulous names - more complicated than IRS form
• 4 different rates on 4 different ad/web sites
• "$80 special"
• "Specials this week only"

I could provide links, but don't want to single anyone out or shill. 

All that being said, if and when rate becomes or is clear, I pay it or move on. 

[Bit Banger]

2 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Is it so hard to ask for a rate for an odd amount of time?

Is it so hard to consider a reasonable offer and respond with Yea, Nay, or a counter offer?

[Lucy Kitten]

3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Ahh! Now I see the problem.  You are conflating your services with your person. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

A provider is no more special than a ditch digger or a CEO.  It is NOT their value as a person, but rather the value of their services being set by the market.  If negotiating a rate is always in poor taste, then every union in the world is in poor taste because they negotiate labor rates all the time.  I negotiated salary (compensation for my services) at nearly every job interview I attended, and often again at my annual review. 

A client always has the right to negotiate, or make a counter offer (which is negotiating); just as the seller has the right to refuse.  I don't make the decision for the business; I make the decision for myself as a customer.  I make the decision about how much I'm willing to pay; not how much the business should charge.

Back in the day when I was a software consultant, I charged a rate if you engaged my services for a day.  I charged a different rate if you engaged my services for a month.  And yet another rate if you engaged my services for a year.  My firm would also alter the rates if you engaged more than one consultant as part of the contract.  They did this for good reasons (some mentioned in the article you linked), the most significant being the reduction in overhead with the extended contracts.

A point you seem to be glossing over is that when I make an offer, it's for an extended engagement, not covered by published rates.  I'm not trying to be a part of the Austin OPEC, trying to force down the hourly rates of providers for conventional appointments.

BTW: Your gas station analogy fails.  Ever hear of "gas wars".  Don't forget that a few years ago the public bitched about the high price of gasoline (approaching $4/gal).  So the fuel companies lowered the price of gas, by raising the price of diesel fuel.  The public got cheap gas, but failed to notice that the price of everything else they bought went up.

BTW do you get your jollies ignoring the points I make just to tell me I am wrong? You could try actually considering the points I am making to you as the actual seller of the product. You do not know better as the consumer. You're trying to argue that certain types of negotiating are OK because it's an odd amount of time. I have been very clear in all my posts in referring to your extended visits.

 

[Bit Banger]

2 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

BTW do you get your jollies ignoring the points I make just to tell me I am wrong? You could try actually considering the points I am making to you as the actual seller of the product. You do not know better as the consumer. You're trying to argue that certain types of negotiating are OK because it's an odd amount of time. I have been very clear in all my posts in referring to your extended visits.

 

And just what were your points?

• Don't negotiate - EVER!
• Ask the provider what she'll charge. (I can't count the number of times we've been told 'Do not discuss rates when contacting me.')
• Providers are different from the normal labor market.
• The economics of ASP services are different from other services(legal, programming, construction, etc.)
• Providers derive their self-worth from their rates
• Providers hold all the power, clients none
• You do not negotiate purchases in life.
• We are not agreeing to a transactional contract

Did I miss something?

[SultryKitten]

5 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

A business offering a service at a specified price is not a double standard. Fluctuating prices based on market is not negotiating. It's called business. The difference between your job and mine is that I am my boss and if I wanted to charge 1k an hour I could. False equivalency. You don't set your pay, I do.

The buyer does not get to make the ultimatum for the seller. The seller offers a price and if you don't like it move on, don't try to give economic lessons. Providers are not commodities, we're not a product. We're humans. When you negotiate a providers rate you are negotiating what YOU think she's worth.

If a counter offer offends me the problem certainly isn't me but thanks for trying to make it personal. Negotiating a rate will always be in poor taste no matter how hard you try and convince otherwise. Tell me were else in life you negotiate the price of something like that? No client has the obligation to pay a ladies advertised rate, if he is choosing not to see her. But no client has the right to negotiate. Or make a counter offer which again isn't negotiating.

Why is it that guys think they get to make these decisions for a business as a client? Do you leave comments like this at restaurants? Do you haggle over the price of milk? Do you bitch at gas stations until they give that cheap price that you saw across town?

Why is there a need to negotiate a providers rate at all?

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/271105

While I agree with most of this Lucy, the one thing I don't is where you say that we aren't a commodity which we are. The definition of commodity is this:

com·mod·i·ty

kəˈmädədē/

noun

 

1. a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.

   synonyms:

   item, material, product, article, object; More

   • a useful or valuable thing, such as water or time

      

      

      

     Men will either choose to pay for our "time" or not by how we advertise, set our rate as, market our goods with pictures, etc. Yes, we are humans, but as with any other thing of value...the price decreases and increases depending on the market. We are kind of like different businesses selling the same thing, but at different prices. If you like a certain milk at one store even if it is the highest price, you will buy regardless of how much. Whereas if you just want milk and don't want to pay top dollar, you will go to the competitor with the cheaper price. The same thing happens in this business. We can choose to not negotiate, and we will get the clients that will still pay regardless. We can also choose to take a lesser price if we are asked by a client. That is the wonderful thing about being our own boss, and providing a service that is highly sought after...we can CHOOSE, or strictly set our own rules. :-)

      

     xoxo,

      

      

     Samantha Sheppard

[2Big]

52 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

The "no negotiation ever" theory would be helped along greatly if some ladies did not include some or all of the following in their ads:

• no mention of rates
• "ask about my specials"
• "rates negotiable"
• rates for ten different levels and packages with nebulous names - more complicated than IRS form
• 4 different rates on 4 different ad/web sites
• "$80 special"
• "Specials this week only"

 

Ha ha ha ha. Best post in this thread, and so fucking true.

[ViviN Gates]

I don't generally post donations...  Each date has different plans... Someone vanilla abviously will not get the same Rose requirement as say a gentlemen with extreme force feeding session .