Posted August 27, 2012 NS sucks. But, imagine I go and get a room at a nice hotel and the girl NS, will have a compensation for the room I booked only to see her? Not sure on this one. Now, for those 2 girls, I agree it's bad considering the time and money they put upfront. Should the guy "helps" covering the bill, in a perfect world he should. in our world, it'll depend on him. Maybe your 2 friends should have stay an extra day (since the room was paid) and try to put some add in the city they were to get people visiting them.. but overall, NS sucks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 If it were me in this situation - needing to leave because of an emergency - I'd compensate the girls in full, pay their travel expenses, and pay for the hotel room. This is not just a matter of business (due to no fault of their own, the girls were deprived of an income-earning opportunity), but also a matter of karma. Being fair leads to good karma. Yeah, I'm Buddha like that. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 You have the strangest concept of ethical behaviour I've ever heard. If you promise to do something, you should do it. If you cost someone income, you owe some compensation, even if it was by mistake. If you lie, you should not be trusted. It's that simple. This. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 This. No you're absolutely right. Life is always black and white and there are never any gray areas. The idea is great but not much really applies to this situation. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 No you're absolutely right. Life is always black and white and there are never any gray areas. The idea is great but not much really applies to this situation. in this situation it is b&w the creep stiffed them, why do you have a hard time grasping it? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 I have seen ads and been with women that plainly state in there ads a deposit for travel time is required before the date. Luce is right , run your business like a business and you will be ok. There was a very good lesson learned i n this story and if these ladies dont start charging a deposit then shame on them. The guy is a horses ass but then so are over half the guys in the world. Some folks on this board need to get off there high horse and live in the real world. Setting this venture up as a professional business gets rid of most of the headaches...such as this unfortunate situation. Deposits..especially for travel situations (regular client or not) almost voids out the issues of cancellations/ fake emergencies/ feeling personal about someone being a schmuck...etc. Going out of one's way "in good faith" is eventually going to come bite someone in the ass. Bad situation for the ladies/shame on him..but hopefully it will prompt them to adopt a more professional business model to prevent a repeat in the future. If he wants to continue to have a good relationship with the said providers/his regular lady or any ladies that they know in the future..hopefully he'll ante up. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 I would think that at the least, the room should be compensated for ..... but that could/should be a two way street. I have driven a distance, got a room and experianced ncns until the next day ... there seems to ba a LOT of family emergencies in the community...lol It happens to both parties. Its part if the game compensation is needed from the guy. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 in this situation it is b&w the creep stiffed them, why do you have a hard time grasping it? I may have a hard time grasping this but insults certainly come easy to you don't they? If I am missing it then show me where in the OP the promise made was? Where it was stated that the girls discussed a cancellation fee? Tell me how it is the providers business to know the guys personal reason as to why he cancelled? The guy lied BIG FUCKING DEAL, I am sure he lied to his wife and kids, family whoever he was on vacation with about where he was going to be disappearing to for a few hours, why would the escort he cancelled on be any more entitled to the truth? Everyone on this board has told a lie about something at some point in their life. Are we all not to be trusted then? It would be great if the guy stepped up and did the "right thing" but to say he is obligated is just too much. If that is the message that you preach then I assume you must live like Mother Theresa. You just can't force someone to do the right thing. Wouldn't it be great if we could live in a world without lies and everyone gets exactly what Pfunk thinks they deserve but that is not the reality. Life is just not that cut and dry. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 I didn't read every post, and someone probably already made my point. I've been stood up, and it cost me time and money. Time from work, travel, etc. I know I will never get that time and money back. This situation flat-out sucks, but it happens to all of us, on both sides. Morally, he does owe you something, but we are all owed things we will never receive. Sorry this happened to you. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 in this situation it is b&w the creep stiffed us, why do you have a hard time grasping it? Fixed it for ya sweetie. It's really too bad, but why did you get VV to post your little rant? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 Ok - who is at fault here? Both (or in this case all three) parties. Client did let her know at the last min that he was not able to meet - who cares why. For all we know he was on vacation with the family and they decided to go see the sights. In terms of a family emergency - it is a matter of perspective. We all have family that having to spend time with at all we would consider an emergency of sorts. The ladies - yes they should have asked for a deposit for the room of some sort. And the Client - I personally believe he should have given them some form of compensation. Things happen. I have found that if I am honest and at least offer to pay for their time when something comes up - I am generally rewarded with a much better time when I am able to reschedule. The guy is more wrong and should compensate - but obviously he will not so that is that. DBL Out 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 They had plans he canceled, said providers did not really have a plan in case things fell through, they are not exactly faultless. So, in your eyes, if they don't have some backup plan, to fill in when their customer cancels, at the last minute, they're partly at fault for the cancellation? I do not understand that, at all. He cancelled. No one else. I understand things happen, people can't make commitments, but when someone costs other people money...the rule that applies is: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I pay for the mistakes I make in life, and business. Everyone should. That's all I'm saying. Obviously, underhanded, dishonest people won't follow the golden rule. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 27, 2012 Wonder how many people taking a "moral high ground" are actually single? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 So, in your eyes, if they don't have some backup plan, to fill in when their customer cancels, at the last minute, they're partly at fault for the cancellation? I do not understand that, at all. He cancelled. No one else. Yup. I understand things happen, people can't make commitments, but when someone costs other people money...the rule that applies is: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I pay for the mistakes I make in life, and business. Everyone should. That's all I'm saying. Obviously, underhanded, dishonest people won't follow the golden rule. Obviously in your own condescending way you question my values. So I am underhanded and dishonest? Do onto others as they do unto us is about the biggest load of bullshit you could have piled on to this. You can't force someone to do something because you think it's the right thing, there are no set in stone universal rules in this game. I know you wouldn't be yourself if you weren't playing the White Knight and preaching how infallible providers are but for just a brief moment dismount your moral high horse and look hard at the situation. They had one appointment cancel it was the providers choice to let it ruin their whole day. Anyone who has any business sense doesn't put all their eggs in one basket and and cry foul when things did not go their way. It's not nobody's fault that they didn't talk about a cancellation fee or that they didn't ask for one when he cancelled, or went to go collect one when they found out he was lying and still on vacation. They had chances to avoid this and it is their fault for not taking them, so yes I believe the providers have some fault in this situation. I really just don't understand how you can expect someone to do something for you without ever saying it loud, chastise them when they don't do it without ever letting them know. That does not seem righteous to me. Feel free to disagree because I know you will, just try to refrain from judging my values and keep your subtle passive aggressive insults out of it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 IMHO there is not a black and white answer, except to the extent the guy should step up like a man. The flip side is that we've all been stood up and not been compensated. How many freebies have any of us recieved because a provider missed an appointment. The girls should have gotten a deposit, but since he was a regular they trusted him. Like the lady said, "Big Mistake." I can only say I hope he's not a regular any more. It's not like the girls can sue him. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 Sometimes here in Wyoming I've had a woman come here for an appointment. I have most of the time been asked to "green dot a deposit", which I can completely understand. I assume this amount covers travel and room, and if I ever had to cancel I wouldn't expect any of it back. It doesn't even annoy me to cough up the travel funds and then see some ladies advertise on BP for the same day. I'm just happy for variety up here in the sticks! Anyways, the women shoud have asked for a deposit. And he, even without one, should have offered compensation. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 Obviously in your own condescending way you question my values. So I am underhanded and dishonest? That was not meant for/about you. I'm sorry you thought it was. There are underhanded girls and guys on both sides (not you). They don't play nice. Do onto others as they do unto us is about the biggest load of bullshit you could have piled on to this. Sorry, it's something I try to live by, and hope others do, too. You can't force someone to do something because you think it's the right thing, True there are no set in stone universal rules in this game. I disagree, the rules of polite social intercourse apply all the time. I know you wouldn't be yourself if you weren't playing the White Knight and preaching how infallible providers are but for just a brief moment dismount your moral high horse and look hard at the situation. I think I am. They had one appointment cancel it was the providers choice to let it ruin their whole day. Anyone who has any business sense doesn't put all their eggs in one basket and and cry foul when things did not go their way. Again, I disagree. If a client (of ANY business) requests a product, or service, they should be there for delivery with payment ready, or pay for any costs incurred if they cancel. I've done it. Most business owners do it. Customers frequently do it. This client should do it. It's not nobody's fault that they didn't talk about a cancellation fee or that they didn't ask for one when he cancelled, or went to go collect one when they found out he was lying and still on vacation. They had chances to avoid this and it is their fault for not taking them, so yes I believe the providers have some fault in this situation. Huh? The CLIENT cancelled after ASKING them to travel. He alone is responsible for costs incurred. He REQUESTED them to be incurred. I really just don't understand how you can expect someone to do something for you without ever saying it loud, chastise them when they don't do it without ever letting them know. That does not seem righteous to me. I don't know if they ever talked with him, after he cancelled. I do know what I would do, and expect any good, honest, righteous client to do. Pay for costs the girls incurred. Feel free to disagree because I know you will, just try to refrain from judging my values and keep your subtle passive aggressive insults out of it. I'm never subtle, and wasn't trying to insult you. I'll judge your values as often as you judge mine (white knight? high horse?). That seems fair to me. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 REALLY, it's NOT THAT serious. Take a break already. Go get some fresh air. You need it.Obviously in your own condescending way you question my values. So I am underhanded and dishonest? Do onto others as they do unto us is about the biggest load of bullshit you could have piled on to this. You can't force someone to do something because you think it's the right thing, there are no set in stone universal rules in this game. I know you wouldn't be yourself if you weren't playing the White Knight and preaching how infallible providers are but for just a brief moment dismount your moral high horse and look hard at the situation. They had one appointment cancel it was the providers choice to let it ruin their whole day. Anyone who has any business sense doesn't put all their eggs in one basket and and cry foul when things did not go their way. It's not nobody's fault that they didn't talk about a cancellation fee or that they didn't ask for one when he cancelled, or went to go collect one when they found out he was lying and still on vacation. They had chances to avoid this and it is their fault for not taking them, so yes I believe the providers have some fault in this situation. I really just don't understand how you can expect someone to do something for you without ever saying it loud, chastise them when they don't do it without ever letting them know. That does not seem righteous to me. Feel free to disagree because I know you will, just try to refrain from judging my values and keep your subtle passive aggressive insults out of it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 If it were me in this situation - needing to leave because of an emergency - I'd compensate the girls in full, pay their travel expenses, and pay for the hotel room. This is not just a matter of business (due to no fault of their own, the girls were deprived of an income-earning opportunity), but also a matter of karma. Being fair leads to good karma. Yeah, I'm Buddha like that. Who are you and why did you hack 2Big's account? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 28, 2012 Very interesting thread. Lots of different perspectives here. This goes back a long way, but many years ago if a lady NS'd you she would offer a freebee to make up for it. That disappeared a long time ago. In this instance, I do not fault the ladies. This guy was a regular with one of them, thus she has reason to trust him and believe him. Yes, we have all been cancelled at the last minute with some kind of excuse at some time. Again though, in this case since the ladies went so far out of their way to accomodate him, I think compensation is owed. Yes, even after the fact. The lesson to be learned by the ASP's, this guy is no longer a client and should not be seen again unless compensation is offered. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 29, 2012 If it were me in this situation - needing to leave because of an emergency - I'd compensate the girls in full, pay their travel expenses, and pay for the hotel room. This is not just a matter of business (due to no fault of their own, the girls were deprived of an income-earning opportunity), but also a matter of karma. Being fair leads to good karma. Yeah, I'm Buddha like that. I knew you were a great guy that just enjoys riling feathers on the Board sometime:) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 29, 2012 I have a question/situation that needs opinions. Let me start off by saying this did NOT happen to me. I'm posting for another provider. My heart went out to her and I need to know if you all agree with the adivce I gave to her...No flaming please. Let's look at this fair. Ok, Let say a guy books a 2-girl appointment, for 2 hours. The appointment is to take place 1 1/2 to 2+ hours away in another town, where he is vacationing for the weekend. The two girls travel to the town and get an incall just for this one appointment. They go up a bit early to have time to check in, shower, freshen up. Also, they came from seperate locations so they traveled to the town in 2 seperate cars (more expense there). Ok, so then let's say the guy calls and cancels in less than an hour of the set appointment time, when the ladies are already there, and checked in and ready for him. He claims to have a family emergency and claims that he now also has to head back to Denver asap for said "emergency". (which is later foud to be false) because he is still on vacation ...But only says "SORRY!" with no offer of compensation. So keep in mind we are talking time to get there and back, plus the appointment time, plus the cost of the room. Basically this would take up a good part of the day for the ladies. The room was not used for anyone else and the girls lost business that day. OK, so at this point, how do you all feel about this? Do you feel he owes the gals for this? Also keep in mind, he is a regular of one gal, not a newbie at this at all. So to me, that seems even worse. Let me also add that he is not a TOB person, so it's not any of you! LOL whew! Do any of you feel he should at least compensate for travel time and room? I think he should compensate them at what they agreed on prior to him having his emergency. 2 hours/ 2 girls, is that around a thousand? I do understand emergencies come up, but if you completely KNOW thats a lie, then ya, full compensation is due. The whole thing since it was in another time and took the whole day away from other work? What would be fair in this situation? What advice should we give these providers? Guys and Gals, what do you feel this guy should do, or what is fair of the provider(s) to ask for? My advise to the girls would be to secure half of the amount prior to leaving to show his commitment to the appt, and to the gentleman don't schedule such an appt (girls traveling to you) unless your going to stick to it. If an "emergency" comes up a days notice is usually ok for cancellations, anything less than that (especially a one hour notice) is not okay and be prepared to compensate for their time. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 29, 2012 Looks to me like lots of double standards here is a review that generated some forum chatter a year ago on LVFEVER http://lvfever.com/Index.cfm?fx=Show_Review&Review=1734&bp=-1 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 29, 2012 I think they should be compensated. I have had dates where the gentleman has secured a room for our meeting for whatever reason. If I was unable to make it, my car broke down on way, or whatever reason..... I would reimburse at the very least for his expenses. This does not need to be contract law, but simple humanity and as Pfunk mentioned the "golden rule". I know this goes both ways and unfortunately the guys have had similar experiences with them being on the short end of the stick. I can only answer for how I handle things. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 29, 2012 That is bad! Perhaps a deposit or something first before all the effort they made. I will say this though....there is a provider out there that has screwed me over the same way. Booked 5 star hotels downtown, booked couples massage, ect. She always cancels last minute leaving me to pay for services because it's too late to reschedule or cancel. When I bring it to her attention she doesn't understand why it's a big deal... It goes both ways..... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 30, 2012 I think he should pay at least half, if not all, or the prearranged donation. Time, gas, hotel room, etc. is not trivial, not to mention taking up most of the day/missed opportunities. Emergency or no, the ladies are out quite a bit and need to be compensated appropriately. He needs to do the honorable thing here, be a true gentleman. agreed! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 30, 2012 All providers should have a clearly stated cancellation policy, that they make sure their clients are aware of at the time of booking. Example: Cancellations made with less than 24 hours notice will be required to pay one half of the fee for the scheduled time. Doing this will eliminate the flakes and time wasters, and I will assist you in collecting if the appointment was booked and confirmed through P411. If you DON'T have a cancellation policy, that means that the client can cancel without penalty, even though that's a jerk-off thing to do. However, you cannot expect to enforce an imaginary cancellation policy, or something that is made up on the fly. Treat this business like a business... and your clients will treat you like a business person. Gina 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 30, 2012 ...and I will assist you in collecting if the appointment was booked and confirmed through P411. Very interesting... Wondering how you avoid the "he said, she said" drama? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2012 So Velvet, what advice did you give and how did things turn out? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
