Age aint nothin' but a number... or is it?

[Jez UaBriain]

Really, there is nothing wrong with this thread. Unless you are a liar. I have always thought" Be true to yourself". Then there is no problem.

[Goggles Paesano]

very good call, Lewd. But many of these boys don't review.

Unfortunately, I've come to realize that many of the reviews for the most part, offer very little assistance... at least for only a casual "hobbyist" such as myself. It seems (at least in my opinion) that many of the reviews are lacking in objectivity and the reviewers often post while still in a state of post-coitus euphoria. But, that's another thread for another time... I don't want to "hijack" my own thread here.

[Goggles Paesano]

Really, there is nothing wrong with this thread. Unless you are a liar. I have always thought" Be true to yourself". Then there is no problem.

Well said! I don't have a problem with older or more "seasoned" providers at all. I'm just saying own it! If you're 50, then be 50 and rock it! But just don't lie about it.

[BigBaldBlk]

...And I didn't post a review. I don't post reviews for a few different reasons... #1. I'm only an occasional "hobbyist". I see 2, maybe 3 girls a year, if that. #2. If a provider has 30 reviews and they're all 'Fantastic', then a guy comes along and posts a review that is 'Good-better than average'. Do you honestly think that anybody is going to pay attention to that one review? As with everything else in life... majority rules. Me posting a review is and adding my two cents is pretty much moot...

Yes, because many gents look at the last review. I had a well reviewed lady that said just b/c most of her reviews are FANTASTIC, if the last one was six months ago and she hasn't had a review since that time, it may cast doubt as to 'what happened' to her. Another recent FANTASTIC (or whatever time you had with her) does go a long way.

...The answer is that age IS important. Go ahead and lie by a few years if it makes you feel better, but more than a decade is bullshit. Good way to get you turned away from the door without so much as cab fare.

I have to agree with av8r. If a lady is 50 but looks 30, I'm not going to ask to see her ID to prove her wrong. My only concern is if she's legit or LE. Age is just another indicator as to body shape, ethnicity etc. If the lady advertises White, Athletic and 25, but you show up and she's Asian, BBW and over 40, it's time for some party to get their lie ready.

[Goggles Paesano]

I have never lied about my age....I'm 39 and have been escorting since i was 25. When guys ask me my age I tell them. Their reaction is priceless....well you look much younger. I never saw the point of lying about my age, I'm not going to be stalked by telling my age, and there isn't a threat to my safety. I have found over the years that lying takes too much work. My name is the only "lie" I wish to tell.

To the OP, if you haven't met the provider, why bring it up? And if her reviews are mostly fantastic, she is clearly doing something right regardless of her age, which she is clearly open to telling you without a problem. If you think she is too old, move on. These comments to me sound like you are just trying to stir the pot.

Seems like many of you are missing my point... I mentioned the providers as merely an example to illustrate my point. But now, I'm regretting that I did, because it seems like you (and a couple others) are taking what I'm saying completely out of context.

And if I was trying to "stir the pot" then I would be naming names and providing very specific information. But, I didn't do that... any references to a provider that I made in my original (and subsequent) post has been respectfully anonymous. Although... providers get "outed" on here all the time for pulling sleazy bait & switch tactics with their pictures. So I don't see why your criticism is directed at me as opposed to the providers who are deliberately lying about their age.

Ironically, it seems the thing that stirs the pot with most of these postings is when someone accuses another of trying to stir the pot. Several people have read my question and answered accordingly (to which I'm appreciative)... they didn't feel the need to pepper their responses with snarky commentary as you (and others) have felt compelled to do.

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

Johns lie for many reasons. To help promote a provider, in hope of getting a discount for a good review, to hurt a providers business, etc. When I use to write reviews I tried to be honest because I thought the reviews were for other johns not for the hookers. I wrote a review that stated that the hooker was decades older than her ad age and 30+ lbs from her ad weight. I got threatening PMs from her and several johns gor the review. The last visiting hooker I saw was much older and heavier than her ad or pictures indicated but several well respected johns reviews said the pictures were accurate. Someone wrote an accurate review of her on TER and she called me to see if I did that review. I did not review her and haven't written a review in almost 5 years because they are mostly worthless.

[Audrey Astor]

You're walking into a minefield here. had a model ask me how old I thought she was,guessed that she was ten years older than her actual age . Talk about PISSED ! Haven't seen her since.

That said,recall way too vividly the number of escorts that walked into the old Oyster office,placing their ad with pictures that were at least ten-fifteen years old.

Agree with Nikki that shaving off a year or two is fine ,for security reasons. But ladies.if you're in your 40's..don't try to pass yourself off as being in your 20's. Men like what they like ,be truthfull about everything...hair color, weight, age (etc )...the more honest you are..the fewer "walk aways " and more repeat business you're going to get.

Now, who's going to post that " oh,not this shit again ' picture ?

JR, you are so funny! When the Oyster was around, pictures were done a little different. We had to take a pictures, and take the film to be developed, so I can see why that happened. I just had a visual though of you collecting pics with a WTF look on your face as they walked out. LOL Now we can take and post a selfie in less than 5 minutes. Ugh... I feel old!

[Goggles Paesano]

Johns lie for many reasons. To help promote a provider, in hope of getting a discount for a good review, to hurt a providers business, etc. When I use to write reviews I tried to be honest because I thought the reviews were for other johns not for the hookers. I wrote a review that stated that the hooker was decades older than her ad age and 30+ lbs from her ad weight. I got threatening PMs from her and several johns gor the review. The last visiting hooker I saw was much older and heavier than her ad or pictures indicated but several well respected johns reviews said the pictures were accurate. Someone wrote an accurate review of her on TER and she called me to see if I did that review. I did not review her and haven't written a review in almost 5 years because they are mostly worthless.

You make a very good point and I agree with you. When doing my research on a provider, I do still look at the reviews, but I tend to take what's said with a grain of salt. I see a lot of extremely glowing reviews in which the john praises the hooker excessively. It's as if the hooker cannot possibly do any wrong in their "star struck" eyes. I'm always just a little bit skeptical of those types of reviews. I generally put more faith in the slightly less favorable reviews... at least as far as accuracy goes.

[Bit Banger]

OK. How many of you guys have a carnival job predicting the age or weight of random individuals? Can you tell if the gal in the photo artfully posed on the bed has a few extra pounds around her middle?

Sorry, but I'm not great at guessing people's age or weight. Oh, I can tell 20 from 50, but not from 35 for some gals, especially non-Caucasians.

[Goggles Paesano]

OK. How many of you guys have a carnival job predicting the age or weight of random individuals? Can you tell if the gal in the photo artfully posed on the bed has a few extra pounds around her middle?

Sorry, but I'm not great at guessing people's age or weight. Oh, I can tell 20 from 50, but not from 35 for some gals, especially non-Caucasians.

Good point, Bit Banger. Just to clarify the intent of my post a bit further... I realize that 99.999% of the hookers lie about their age (among other things) to at least some extent. I'm not trying to split hairs here and "complain" (as apparently some of you think I'm doing) about girls who are 27 and say they are 24.

I'm talking about the girls who are 53 and saying they're only 39... which is the point I was trying to illustrate with the examples I gave in my previous posts.

[Paul Pudenda]

Generally, I add 5 years to the posted age - and deduct a cup size.

If we're off by more than that, it could be a problem. But much depends on the person in question.

[Guest Mr.Bubble]

OK. How many of you guys have a carnival job predicting the age or weight of random individuals? Can you tell if the gal in the photo artfully posed on the bed has a few extra pounds around her middle?

Sorry, but I'm not great at guessing people's age or weight. Oh, I can tell 20 from 50, but not from 35 for some gals, especially non-Caucasians.

I suck at it, and frankly, if the gal is the same one in the photos and shows me a good time.......I don't give a damn if shes older or younger than her stated age.

If we all spent less time trying to guess a hooker's age and weight, and more time trying to make her cum, the hobby world would be a better place. Just my opinion.

Reviews are completely subjective, and beauty is still firmly lodged in the eye of the beholder.

Oh yeah....and a $100 tip to any provider who calls me Mr Bubbly-boo in session.

[worksmartnothard]

I really am with the guys here. If there is such a gap in age and weight that is blatantly misleading then take a walk. The more you stay and pay, the more these ladies will do it.

[JRWolfe]

JR, you are so funny! When the Oyster was around, pictures were done a little different. We had to take a pictures, and take the film to be developed, so I can see why that happened. I just had a visual though of you collecting pics with a WTF look on your face as they walked out. LOL Now we can take and post a selfie in less than 5 minutes. Ugh... I feel old!

Never took 10-15 years to develop film

That said, when the Oyster publisher passed away and I called up all the ads to tell the clients ,two of them came over to help us clean the place. By their ad pictures.I expected young hardbody types to show up. Instead, we saw two very ( not hardbody ) granny types ( older than me ! ..and I was approaching 70 ) pull up and introduce themselves.

That said.. yes..I had WTF looks on my face many many times ,lying about ones' age isn't exactly "new."

[DaysGoBy2]

Interesting thread, GP.

I agree with NNGuy, this business is predicated on lies (some people call them fantasies), and both parties would try to push the envelope on their appearance as far as they possibly can get away with. I imagine this is more about the economics of the trade rather then vanity; the “younger” the girl the wider the field of initial suitors she is going to get, and as for the client, I suppose the initial level of tolerance to those discrepancies will mostly depend on the state of his “engorgement” when the girl opens the door.

I wonder what the numerical difference in initial inquiries would be between posted ages of 50 and “late 30s”.

.....If we all spent less time trying to guess a hooker's age and weight, and more time trying to make her cum, the hobby world would be a better place. Just my opinion.....

Sorry, Bubbles, this is not why I hobby.

[worksmartnothard]

Spending more time trying to make a hooker come.....I agree with H3y dude, not why he hobbies.

And that is NOT why I provide.

[boink36]

You're right... obviously it didn't bother me or else I would've called her out on it and not proceeded with the session. I was trying to say that it's more a matter of principle than anything else.

Truth be told... I actually have a "thing" for older women. Maybe it's a cougar/milf fantasy... I dunno. The point I was trying to make is... well, now that I think of it... I'm not really trying to make any point. I'm merely asking the members of this forum if they see it as another instance of bait & switch.

And I didn't post a review. I don't post reviews for a few different reasons... #1. I'm only an occasional "hobbyist". I see 2, maybe 3 girls a year, if that. #2. If a provider has 30 reviews and they're all 'Fantastic', then a guy comes along and posts a review that is 'Good-better than average'. Do you honestly think that anybody is going to pay attention to that one review? As with everything else in life... majority rules. Me posting a review is and adding my two cents is pretty much moot.

#3. In order to post a review, you have to register separately... I'm too lazy and it's not worth it to me if I'm only gonna post 1 or 2 reviews a year.

I think it is.

Post 30 when you are 45 = bait & switch.

Post pictures that are not of you = bait & switch.

Post that you weigh 140 when you really weigh 250 = bait & switch.

[Guest Mr.Bubble]

Interesting thread, GP.

I agree with NNGuy, this business is predicated on lies (some people call them fantasies), and both parties would try to push the envelope on their appearance as far as they possibly can get away with. I imagine this is more about the economics of the trade rather then vanity; the “younger” the girl the wider the field of initial suitors she is going to get, and as for the client, I suppose the initial level of tolerance to those discrepancies will mostly depend on the state of his “engorgement” when the girl opens the door.

I wonder what the numerical difference in initial inquiries would be between posted ages of 50 and “late 30s”.

Sorry, Bubbles, this is not why I hobby.

Spending more time trying to make a hooker come.....I agree with H3y dude, not why he hobbies.

And that is NOT why I provide.

I know......

It was a humerous attempt at saying that one activity is as worthwhile as the other. Nobody ever gets my jokes. That's why I'm not a comedian.

[worksmartnothard]

I know......

It was a humerous attempt at saying that one activity is as worthwhile as the other. Nobody ever gets my jokes. That's why I'm not a comedian.

You are right there does seem to be a level of levity in it, however, there is a whole lot more truth to it than I think you meant.

It really does happen and it will happen for me today. I have a guy I see regularly who is not my type per se, who's ministrations are not bad but who is a terrible kisser so that knocks me out of the game right there. And yes I have tried to gently change his style but in all reality, it is his dime and who am I to try and change this guys kissing style to suit me? If it were real life, I would not see him, but it is not and I am here to do a good job. And a good job I will do to make sure he leaves believing what he wants to believe. His joy and smile actually make my day.

[Guest Likenthrope]

I really am with the guys here. If there is such a gap in age and weight that is blatantly misleading then take a walk. The more you stay and pay, the more these ladies will do it.

Agreed.

Being in the ballpark with age is important to me. However, if the person that greets you isn't what you were expecting in any significant way, cancel right then and there. It isn't always easy but do it anyway. Major misrepresentation should always be a deal breaker. That should be the expectation and the common practice.

[Goggles Paesano]

Agreed.

Being in the ballpark with age is important to me. However, if the person that greets you isn't what you were expecting in any significant way, cancel right then and there. It isn't always easy but do it anyway. Major misrepresentation should always be a deal breaker. That should be the expectation and the common practice.

+1

[Barbi Dahl]

Something that no one has taken into consideration is the fact that many providers do not post an age but the gentlemen do in their reviews which may or may not be accurate which normally is not the ladies fault...Now if a provider post an age that is way off then that is not right but if it is something which is not posted and is only assumed then that is different...Just saying....

I have about 5 different ages posted in my reviews and none of them are correct but I havent ever pasted an age in my ads and I still dont...But honestly that has never been an issue for me so I will not change that practice now...But also if someone asks I will tell them otherwise I assume it is not an issue...Seriously if it is that important I would not leave it to chance if I was the one who was putting my good money...So if such things are an issue, I recommend you ask the lady...I think you will find most established providers are pretty straight up about things when asked but understand it is not something many of them post and it is not because they are hiding anything but instead because they assume it is not an issue....

I would say as long as you have a good time, that is all that should matters...Remember gentlemen you always have the right to walk if you get there and the lady is not what you were expecting...Yes I am sure it is a bit disappointing to have to do that, but it is better then having horrible time...It is all a matter of personal tastes and also it depends on the lady too...An example is I am very tall and weight about 125 lbs, so I am not going to look anything like a lady who is a foot shorter and weighs the same....So it depends on what you like or dont like, it is a personal choice....

There is a lady who has been around since before I arrived here and she posted being 26 back then and still posts the same now...So what does that mean??? Well it could mean several things....1) She has alzheimer's and forgets how old she is...2) She was 6 when she actually started working...3) She is a female Dorian Gray....4) She has a great plastic surgeon....5) It works for her and she doesnt care...Personally, I would have to guess #5 is probably the best answer for that and it really doesnt matter because I am no ones judge or jury...If it works for her or anyone else, more power to them because she obviously is doing something right...

But remember when you are looking at reviews, it is not the lady who posts those, it is he gentlemen and just like they might have a great time while you do not, it is all a matter of opinion so if you have questions it is always best to ask the lady....

Just saying...

Have a great day...

B.....

[Goggles Paesano]

Something that no one has taken into consideration is the fact that many providers do not post an age but the gentlemen do in their reviews which may or may not be accurate which normally is not the ladies fault...Now if a provider post an age that is way off then that is not right but if it is something which is not posted and is only assumed then that is different...Just saying....

I have about 5 different ages posted in my reviews and none of them are correct but I havent ever pasted an age in my ads and I still dont...But honestly that has never been an issue for me so I will not change that practice now...But also if someone asks I will tell them otherwise I assume it is not an issue...Seriously if it is that important I would not leave it to chance if I was the one who was putting my good money...So if such things are an issue, I recommend you ask the lady...I think you will find most established providers are pretty straight up about things when asked but understand it is not something many of them post and it is not because they are hiding anything but instead because they assume it is not an issue....

I would say as long as you have a good time, that is all that should matters...Remember gentlemen you always have the right to walk if you get there and the lady is not what you were expecting...Yes I am sure it is a bit disappointing to have to do that, but it is better then having horrible time...It is all a matter of personal tastes and also it depends on the lady too...An example is I am very tall and weight about 125 lbs, so I am not going to look anything like a lady who is a foot shorter and weighs the same....So it depends on what you like or dont like, it is a personal choice....

There is a lady who has been around since before I arrived here and she posted being 26 back then and still posts the same now...So what does that mean??? Well it could mean several things....1) She has alzheimer's and forgets how old she is...2) She was 6 when she actually started working...3) She is a female Dorian Gray....4) She has a great plastic surgeon....5) It works for her and she doesnt care...Personally, I would have to guess #5 is probably the best answer for that and it really doesnt matter because I am no ones judge or jury...If it works for her or anyone else, more power to them because she obviously is doing something right...

But remember when you are looking at reviews, it is not the lady who posts those, it is he gentlemen and just like they might have a great time while you do not, it is all a matter of opinion so if you have questions it is always best to ask the lady....

Just saying...

Have a great day...

B.....

The focus of my original post was in regards to the providers who specifically post their age and deliberately lie about it (i.e. saying you're 25 and trying to pass yourself off as such when you're really 45). The point I was/am trying to make with this whole thread is that lying about age is just another example of a provider using deceptive and manipulative practices... just like lying about weight, body type, appearance, etc. The bottom line is that a lie is a lie is a lie... period.

I'm not saying that a provider is required or obligated to post her age, nor that she should (there are lots of providers who don't, and that's fine). I'm saying that if a provider CHOOSES to post her age... THEN DON'T LIE ABOUT IT!

As far as your recommendation about if such things are an issue, asking the lady... I highly doubt that most ladies will provide their real age even if asked directly... even the established and reputable providers. (I know that there are some who proudly embrace their "maturity". There's even a niche in this business for it). But if a provider is gonna lie in her ad, then who's to say she won't just lie to your face? And regardless if she told me the truth or not, I still wouldn't know the difference, because frankly, I wouldn't believe a single thing any provider tells me (no offense ladies, but it's just the nature of the beast... and your profession).

And that provider you mentioned who seems to have miraculously discovered the fountain of youth and remain forever 26... it's not necessarily that she's doing something right. It might simply be that nobody has called her out on her bullsh*t.

I think it is the duty and responsibilty of the "johns" to hold these women accountable and call them out on such things because at the end of the day... we are the ones who pay the price for it (literally and figuratively speaking). These women are raking in the $$$ hand over fist, day after day. The least they can do is deliver the goods (I'm not talking soley about the services provided. I'm also talking about attitude, personality, decorum... the little details and nuances that they think might be irrelevant). How many women cut corners because they just don't care or they assume that we don't care, or at the very least, we won't notice? Higher standards means overall higher quality and more "bang" for your buck (no pun intended).

I'm reminded about the recent controversy with the Subway sandwich shops... somebody discovered that the 12 inch subs were really only 11 inches. Now is 1 measly inch really THAT big of a deal? No, of course not. But that isn't the point. The point is they advertise their subs being 12 inches... not 10 inches, not 13 inches... 12 INCHES! If you're gonna tell me the sub is 12 inches and charge me accordingly for it, then it better be 12 inches!!! It's when we turn a proverbial blind eye to these shenanigans that we allow it to continue. If a provider is 35, then she better look (believably) 35 and not 50! Or else the guy has every right to walk... and do so, he should.

[AaBrenly]

Age is just a number but it is also used within the framework of criteria for determining whether or not to set up a date. Some variability is expected due to the nature of this business but total misrepresentations can only lead to bad experiences for all involved. If the ages, weight etc are too far off the mark cancel the meeting. It will be better in the long run but I know from experience sometimes the little head is doing all the thinking and decision making at this point.

[Guest]

I'm honest about my age in my advertising (sometimes off by a year if I've forgotten to update it after my birthday), as I try to be honest about as many things as possible in my ads and in my personal presentation when I'm with clients. This is just because I am a bad liar, though, and feel much more comfortable just being myself.

Lots of other providers have already mentioned it, but this is a safety issue for some of us. Lying in general is something that a lot of providers do not just to protect their identity, but to protect their inner life and ego and mind. Being emotionally available for others is not always the easiest job in the world, and we all have different ways of coping. Portraying yourself to be younger (or older) is just an additional way to protect your true identity, imho.

[Bit Banger]

If you mean the YL I think you do, I believe #4 is at play too!

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

Why is this so important to you, planning to marry a hooker? Hookers lie johns lie so what? Now johns that write reviews that perpetuates the deception are the real problem and most do which is why i say the reviews are worthless.

[MrReindeer-9515]

You're right... obviously it didn't bother me or else I would've called her out on it and not proceeded with the session. I was trying to say that it's more a matter of principle than anything else.

Truth be told... I actually have a "thing" for older women. Maybe it's a cougar/milf fantasy... I dunno. The point I was trying to make is... well, now that I think of it... I'm not really trying to make any point. I'm merely asking the members of this forum if they see it as another instance of bait & switch.

And I didn't post a review. I don't post reviews for a few different reasons... #1. I'm only an occasional "hobbyist". I see 2, maybe 3 girls a year, if that. #2. If a provider has 30 reviews and they're all 'Fantastic', then a guy comes along and posts a review that is 'Good-better than average'. Do you honestly think that anybody is going to pay attention to that one review? As with everything else in life... majority rules. Me posting a review is and adding my two cents is pretty much moot.

#3. In order to post a review, you have to register separately... I'm too lazy and it's not worth it to me if I'm only gonna post 1 or 2 reviews a year.

The focus of my original post was in regards to the providers who specifically post their age and deliberately lie about it (i.e. saying you're 25 and trying to pass yourself off as such when you're really 45). The point I was/am trying to make with this whole thread is that lying about age is just another example of a provider using deceptive and manipulative practices... just like lying about weight, body type, appearance, etc. The bottom line is that a lie is a lie is a lie... period.

I'm not saying that a provider is required or obligated to post her age, nor that she should (there are lots of providers who don't, and that's fine). I'm saying that if a provider CHOOSES to post her age... THEN DON'T LIE ABOUT IT!

As far as your recommendation about if such things are an issue, asking the lady... I highly doubt that most ladies will provide their real age even if asked directly... even the established and reputable providers. (I know that there are some who proudly embrace their "maturity". There's even a niche in this business for it). But if a provider is gonna lie in her ad, then who's to say she won't just lie to your face? And regardless if she told me the truth or not, I still wouldn't know the difference, because frankly, I wouldn't believe a single thing any provider tells me (no offense ladies, but it's just the nature of the beast... and your profession).

And that provider you mentioned who seems to have miraculously discovered the fountain of youth and remain forever 26... it's not necessarily that she's doing something right. It might simply be that nobody has called her out on her bullsh*t.

I think it is the duty and responsibilty of the "johns" to hold these women accountable and call them out on such things because at the end of the day... we are the ones who pay the price for it (literally and figuratively speaking). These women are raking in the $$$ hand over fist, day after day. The least they can do is deliver the goods (I'm not talking soley about the services provided. I'm also talking about attitude, personality, decorum... the little details and nuances that they think might be irrelevant). How many women cut corners because they just don't care or they assume that we don't care, or at the very least, we won't notice? Higher standards means overall higher quality and more "bang" for your buck (no pun intended).

I'm reminded about the recent controversy with the Subway sandwich shops... somebody discovered that the 12 inch subs were really only 11 inches. Now is 1 measly inch really THAT big of a deal? No, of course not. But that isn't the point. The point is they advertise their subs being 12 inches... not 10 inches, not 13 inches... 12 INCHES! If you're gonna tell me the sub is 12 inches and charge me accordingly for it, then it better be 12 inches!!! It's when we turn a proverbial blind eye to these shenanigans that we allow it to continue. If a provider is 35, then she better look (believably) 35 and not 50! Or else the guy has every right to walk... and do so, he should.

Hmmm, I think a good place to start your little Crusade would be with the reviews...but oh hey that's right: you like older gals, you think hookers are lying to you about everything, and you don't write reviews. Seems like you want to roll up in here and start dictating behavior, without the wheels to do it.

[Goggles Paesano]

Hmmm, I think a good place to start your little Crusade would be with the reviews...but oh hey that's right: you like older gals, you think hookers are lying to you about everything, and you don't write reviews. Seems like you want to roll up in here and start dictating behavior, without the wheels to do it.

You and Mr. Bubble must be related.

I'm not on any crusade... I never said I was, nor do I want to be. I was speaking in generalities and nothing more. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less who you see and who you spend your $$$ on. And I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over whether or not you were the victim of bait and switch. Yes... I like older gals... I don't post reviews... and I do believe hookers lie.

All these things I have said (and still stand by). Your point (other than being a douche)???

"Without the wheels to do it"? I'm surprised at you... that was the perfect opportunity for you to hit me yet again (as you've done in the past) with another one of your classless "handicap" barbs, but you didn't. You must be slipping.

[blowmar]

Some days, I want veal, and some days I prefer aged beef. When I order veal, I don't expect to see aged beef at my doorstep.