Posted March 16, 2014 Texted a BP ad today and mentioned I was P411 with lots of ok's. Got a reply that P411 people and "hobbyists" are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles, and this gal wouldn't go near one of us, and we all publish fake reviews. More proof that P411 works. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Well... I mean, I am a pervert... I think shes in the wrong line of work lol 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Well hell...we've had ladies bad mouth "hobbyists" right here on TOB. I might have thought that P411 had a better reputation with the independent "independent" ladies though. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 An escort who doesn't like P411, or the clients who use it, is not someone I trust, or have any interest in meeting. I am a pervert, and I LOVE P411! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Texted a BP ad today and mentioned I was P411 with lots of ok's. Got a reply that P411 people and "hobbyists" are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles, and this gal wouldn't go near one of us, and we all publish fake reviews. More proof that P411 works. There are some women who do not like seeing hobbyists. Just like most hobbyists don't like seeing unreviewed ladies. A preference for both and neither should get all butt hurt about not being on someones radar. There is plenty to go around for the guys who have to see reviewed ladies and for the ladies who prefer guys who are not on boards or who live by reviews and the community. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Well... I mean, I am a pervert... I think shes in the wrong line of work lol She simply prefers a different demographic. Not wrong, not right, just a personal preference. How is her preference any different than a hobbyist refusing to see an unreviewed escort? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 She would rather take joe blow off the street then joe 411. What has the world come to 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Just a quick reminder - If the YL is on P411 you should use their internal system for booking appointments. If the YL is not on P411, you should NOT provide her with your P411 information! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Texted a BP ad today and mentioned I was P411 with lots of ok's. Got a reply that P411 people and "hobbyists" are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles, and this gal wouldn't go near one of us, and we all publish fake reviews. More proof that P411 works. What is her phone number so others can avoid the call/text? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sounds like a hooker that knows what she is talking about. What's the problem? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Just a quick reminder - If the YL is on P411 you should use their internal system for booking appointments. If the YL is not on P411, you should NOT provide her with your P411 information! True, but..... A couple years ago I was emailing a YL from a bigdoggie.net posting. I was somewhere between 80-90% sure she was legit. I mentioned p411 to her. She emailed back her TER reviews and a few days later she was listed on p411. Met and had a great time. Sadly she retired shortly after. In the OP's case, mentioning the service weeded out a flake. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Mentioning P411 to a YL and helping her get listed there is great. Sharing your P411 ID with a non-P411 provider compromises the system. These are two very different actions. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 The same is true for the opposite. When girls advertise on bp and, refer johns back to p411 to show they are real. There is no need for secrecy but when girls say on the bp ad "tob, eeicie, ect reviewed" it opens the door for le and people you would not want to deal with in the system. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sorry but I can't remember the posters ad or number, I sent out so many requests at the same time. It was BP high rockies. Also of interest is that that was the only reply I received. BP can be a tough nut to crack, I always grit my teeth and am in total desperation when I respond to one of those ads. As far as being perverts, I think it's the exact opposite. Sex is one of the healthiest activities a person can engage in. People who don't have sex are the perverts. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 She simply prefers a different demographic. Not wrong, not right, just a personal preference. How is her preference any different than a hobbyist refusing to see an unreviewed escort? She's free to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. That being said, there's a BIG difference. She comes off as judgmental. She's a hooker, advertising on a hooker site, passing judgment on a site that caters to hookers & johns. When a hobbyist refuses to see an unreviewed escort, it's often because there is no evidence that she is real, or because there IS evidence that she's fake. THIS hooker excludes obviously real clients based on some sort of bias she has about P411. The "difference" is obvious. I suspect she has some other reason for shying away from P411, and she's using this "pervert" excuse to hide that reason. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 There are some women who do not like seeing hobbyists. Just like most hobbyists don't like seeing unreviewed ladies. A preference for both and neither should get all butt hurt about not being on someones radar. There is plenty to go around for the guys who have to see reviewed ladies and for the ladies who prefer guys who are not on boards or who live by reviews and the community. What is the definition of a hobbyist, if not "a john who calls hookers"? Every time a hooker's phone rings, it's a hobbyist, right? And by the way, why do you accusing people of being "butt hurt" every time they express an opinion? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Mentioning P411 to a YL and helping her get listed there is great. Sharing your P411 ID with a non-P411 provider compromises the system. These are two very different actions. Unless my comprehension skills are lacking, the OP did the 1st statement. And you are correct with your 2nd statement. The same is true for the opposite. When girls advertise on bp and, refer johns back to p411 to show they are real. There is no need for secrecy but when girls say on the bp ad "tob, eeicie, ect reviewed" it opens the door for le and people you would not want to deal with in the system. To believe that LE doesn't know about all the boards available is naive. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sorry but I can't remember the posters ad or number, I sent out so many requests at the same time. It was BP high rockies. Also of interest is that that was the only reply I received. BP can be a tough nut to crack, I always grit my teeth and am in total desperation when I respond to one of those ads. Sounds like a perfect recipe for wasting your time and/or losing money 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 She simply prefers a different demographic. Not wrong, not right, just a personal preference. How is her preference any different than a hobbyist refusing to see an unreviewed escort? And what is the reason for the "personal preference" of this particular escort to see ONLY inexperienced or naive clients, who aren't familiar with escort review boards, and may not have seen escorts before? The most obvious and logical reason is that she is a lying cheating thief, and she finds that inexperienced, naive clients are the easiest to steal from. I like logic , and hope you do too. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 To each his own, I guess. I like P411, works well for me! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 What is the definition of a hobbyist, if not "a john who calls hookers"? Every time a hooker's phone rings, it's a hobbyist, right? [snip: personal] I believe I've covered this before... Needless to say, the difference is huge. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sorry but I can't remember the posters ad or number, I sent out so many requests at the same time. It was BP high rockies. Also of interest is that that was the only reply I received. BP can be a tough nut to crack, I always grit my teeth and am in total desperation when I respond to one of those ads. As far as being perverts, I think it's the exact opposite. Sex is one of the healthiest activities a person can engage in. People who don't have sex are the perverts. The quote from the late Aldous Huxley Chastity—the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions. So you are on the same page there. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Texted a BP ad today and mentioned I was P411 with lots of ok's. Got a reply that P411 people and "hobbyists" are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles, and this gal wouldn't go near one of us, and we all publish fake reviews. More proof that P411 works. Only thing it proves is that touting p411 ok's to a lady that is not a member of p411 is pointless and unproductive. So kinda wonder why you would. Personal opinion is that the p411 service can make things easier and perhaps less risky for those occasions when a member client wants to see a member lady. But both represent a small fraction of the market. Secondly, if I understand correctly from more than one lady, there are those "hobbyists" that like to lord their King John reviewer status over ladies, especially ones that are young and not established. "Give me a discount and I'll give you a good review" "Give me UTF or I'll give you a terrible review" "I can make or break you with my reviews and back channel." on and on. If she has encountered a few of those perhaps she would just as soon take her chances with the "uncouth masses" that frequent BP. Especially if you open with your p411 "pedigree" when she is NOT a member. Just couple thoughts for what they are worth. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 I tend to subscribe to the theory posted above, that the lady is looking for an ignorant bozo to con. Truth is, it's easy to mislead or take advantage of inexperienced......and sometimes experienced "clients." Reference the other thread on the guy who got ripped for 500. Seems to be a lot of animosity on both sides, and I don't see why that should be for a fun activity. You gals who look down on "hobbyists" confuse me the most. Yeah, there's bad actors everywhere, but by and large the hobbyist is just trying to let others know which ladies are safe and reputable. I would think the existence of such a group would be welcomed as a good thing. The quote from the late Aldous Huxley Chastity—the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions. So you are on the same page there. Holy crap! An Irish provider who reads and quotes Huxley!?! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 My butt hurts. Too much krap. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sex is healthy but do you have any idea of what some if these "hobbyists" request? From what I have seen in reviews and what the "hobbyists" post here I think she is a wise hooker. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2014 Sex is healthy but do you have any idea of what some if these "hobbyists" request? From what I have seen in reviews and what the "hobbyists" post here I think she is a wise hooker. Don't have time to read all the reviews and decide which ones are making your point. Please give us the "Reader's Digest" version. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2014 I would like to hear more about P411 members, board members, and other hobbyists with a reputation as a reviewer, holding that status and a possible bad review over various providers to get more for less out of a session. I see boards like this as a beneficial tool for both clients and providers, but I suppose like anything else it can have its downsides. Have any ladies here experienced this? As a client, do you commonly mention your review status in order to motivate the provider do give you a better session? Or do you actually come right out with it and say something like: I want _____ or you're getting a bad review? I would only write a bad review if I felt a provider or situation was dangerous. Otherwise I feel like I'm ruining someone's potential future livelihood, and most that provide bad service are pretty down on their luck anyway. So I just don't like doing it. The only dangerous situations I've encountered in the past were clearly dangerous, and were part of compulsive behavior on my part. So not really necessary to warn anyone, since any sane person with any sense would have avoided the situation in the first place. I don't write many reviews, but I think if I do start to write more, I'm going to be more matter-of-fact. Like amount paid, services rendered, whether photos were accurate, location safety, etc. I also might include observations or suspicions about potential dangerous behavior, like IV drug use, or whether the girl is bat-shit crazy. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
