How to educate an escort

[29er]

Had a session with a lady I'd never seen before, younger than most I've seen lately. Got to the designated major intersection at 10 till the start time, called. Text back. "I'm sorry, at the nail shop, running late, sorry, sorry" Said I'd wait, you can make it up to me.

Made contact at 35 minutes after appt time. Towels and clothes on floor, paper cup from lunch sitting around, asked for water, only had a coffee mug to fill.

Finished first SOG, had 15 minutes left so I figured I'd fondle and lick the remainder of the hour. After waiting 35 minutes it seemed reasonable I'd get at least the full hour. She clearly wasn't interested, so I left.

Thing is she's very young, has what is for me a nearly perfect body, and during the actual activities very enjoyable. Very enjoyable. The potential is there for a really good time.

I could write a less than perfect review, outline all the problems. It would be honest but would it be useful? I'd love for her to learn how to be a professional, because I'd love to to be kneeling behind her a lot more times. Great view.

For all those ladies out there who can't imagine showing up late, leaving early, or not picking up after yourself how'd you learn all that?

[Guest moose]

I know you asked the ladies, but here's my view FWIW - Sounds like she is in it for some quick money. Most likely doesn't care and will be gone within a year. Don't waste your time trying to fix her. Just treat her the same way, go for the 15 or 30 minute sessions to get your fix. Someone better always comes along that gets it and is worth spending time with.

[geecue2]

Just had an interesting day or two with a new provider also, cancelled the appt finally, but it was really funny. You will definitely run into some new and different things with ladies just starting out.

[Goggles Paesano]

Made contact at 35 minutes after appt time. Towels and clothes on floor, paper cup from lunch sitting around, asked for water, only had a coffee mug to fill.

I can absolutely relate!

I had a very similar encounter with a provider about a year ago. I arrived at her hotel room after she delayed our scheduled appointment for nearly an hour. She opens the door and I enter the room, only to find that the bed was a complete mess and looked like it had just been slept in (among other things). There was a large pile of wet towels in the middle of the bathroom floor. Clothes were carelessly strewn about all over the place and there was an ashtray filled with a small mountain of cigarette butts directly next to a McDonalds bag and a half-eaten Big Mac on the desk.

For our rendezvous, I specifically requested she wear sexy lacy lingerie with thigh-high stockings and high heels. She assured me that she would. When she answered the door, I was very disappointed to find her wearing gray sweatpants, socks and an oversized hoodie. When I inquired as to why she wasn't wearing the requested attire, she told me that she didn't have anything like that with her (umm, huh?) and that she was cold.

No sooner had I entered the room, and she immediately disrobed... and did so with a total lack of enthusiasm. I felt conflicted because on the one hand, she was UNBELIEVABLY gorgeous with a virtually flawless body. But on the other hand, her attitude just plain sucked, she reeked of cigarettes and kept making that sucking sound that a person makes when they have food stuck in their teeth. I don't know if she was just having a bad day or what, but despite being a specimen of female physical perfection, I just couldn't look past the messy room and her totally detached, apathetic attitude.

In the end, the larger head prevailed and I opted not to proceed with the session any further. I turned toward the door and she snapped at me and insisted that I give her something for her "time and trouble" (umm... she was the one that kept ME waiting almost an hour). I literally crumpled up a 10 dollar bill, threw it on the bed and walked out.

She was extremely young (her posted age was 20). I don't normally see girls that young as I find myself typically attracted to older, more mature providers. But she was so smokin' hot, I couldn't resist. The ONLY good thing I could say about her was that her pictures were really her, so to her credit, there was no dishonesty or misrepresentation in that regard.

I chalked it up to age, maturity (or lack thereof) and inexperience. But I also wonder if a provider (regardless of her age and experience) will sometimes just "phone it in" because she knows she's so hot, that she thinks we, the client, will be willing to overlook any shortcomings... like she's relying soley on her looks alone.

[MAG]

I could write a less than perfect review, outline all the problems. It would be honest but would it be useful?

Um, It would be useful to others.

You already wrote the damn review -- you just did it here where you couldn't give her name. Make it official instead of just complaining about it where it does no one any good.

[pfunk]

Write a review. Be honest. Don't be mean, or vindictive. Just honest. Future clients will find it useful.

Thanks!

[Bit Banger]

Um, It would be useful to others.

You already wrote the damn review -- you just did it here where you couldn't give her name. Make it official instead of just complaining about it where it does no one any good.

Write a review. Be honest. Don't be mean, or vindictive. Just honest. Future clients will find it useful.

Thanks!

Write the review!

But what makes you think she will bother to read it?

[Guest Crystal Isis]

Am confused here ....

While the provider was less then professional by not being at her location and ready for a set appointment time with you.

You had the option not to see her instead of making entitlement statements like "You can make it up to me". It seems to me you feel you are owed for the choice you made to wait for the provider. You are complaining about the conditions of her in-call when you again made the choice to stay.

These where all your choices take some accountability for them.

As far as teaching escorts anything we are all individuals there is no handbook or guidelines that is to be followed just as there is no hobbyist handbook. I for one didn't have other ladies to help me when I got into the industry I learned and am still learning.

The young lady you are speaking of maybe in the same situation. Did it cross you mind to offer her some advice on anything you have mentioned? Did it cross your mind that your attitude could of been a turn off for her?

[Guest hgritstoo]

Write the review!

But what makes you think she will bother to read it?

Yes indeed!

As far as teaching escorts anything we are all individuals there is no handbook or guidelines that is to be followed just as there is no hobbyist handbook. I for one didn't have other ladies to help me when I got into the industry I learned and am still learning.

The young lady you are speaking of maybe in the same situation. Did it cross you mind to offer her some advice on anything you have mentioned? Did it cross your mind that your attitude could of been a turn off for her?

Yes!

I'm inclined to offer advice only when asked.....and only then with the proviso that I don't know what I'm talking about. You have to have one hell of an ego to presume to tell someone in a different profession how to run their business.

Now, you are welcome and even encouraged to express your wants, needs, and disappointments as a customer. The good business-ladies will take note. Write the review.

[Bit Banger]

I'm not the OP, but I'll take a swing at this. After all, I've earned the T-shirt on a few occasions myself.

Am confused here ....

While the provider was less then professional by not being at her location and ready for a set appointment time with you.

You had the option not to see her instead of making entitlement statements like "You can make it up to me". It seems to me you feel you are owed for the choice you made to wait for the provider.

It appears that the ASP, for what ever reason, tripped the OP's trigger; otherwise he wouldn't have set the appointment in the first place. He wanted to see her. IF his schedule permitted the extra time (likely from his remarks), he can sit around and wait for her to get it together. We are so often reminded that "Time is Money!", so yes, she owes him. At this point he has invested travel & prep time, some of the costs you ladies have with a No Show. Granted, he didn't need to be quite so blunt about it. Or perhaps he could say, "Never mind.", blown off a (precious) Window of Opportunity, and written her a No Show review.

... You are complaining about the conditions of her in-call when you again made the choice to stay.

These where all your choices take some accountability for them.

(see bold above). While not essential to a successful session, untidy conditions do detract from the experience. When things are already on poor footing, this becomes just one more black mark on the memory.

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As far as teaching escorts anything we are all individuals there is no handbook or guidelines that is to be followed just as there is no hobbyist handbook. I for one didn't have other ladies to help me when I got into the industry I learned and am still learning.

The young lady you are speaking of maybe in the same situation.

I'm sorry you had to learn these lessons by yourself. Many gals have a mentor, or get some advice on the EOB. That being said, one of the first things I do when starting something new is find out what I can. Just lurking on TOB for a month (or reading the average/poor reviews) and a gal could find out that being neat & tidy with your person, surroundings, and SCHEDULE are good things to do. Hey, they're good things to do even if you're not an ASP.

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Did it cross you mind to offer her some advice on anything you have mentioned? Did it cross your mind that your attitude could of been a turn off for her?

Hmm, tough one here. What would you're attitude be if a client started telling you how to run your business? How does a fella not come off as a whiner? How does he not provoke a confrontation? Based on M/F remarks on TOB (often in rate threads), offering advice during (after?) the session would not go well. If she was from BP, perhaps a suggestion that she check out TOB & EB would be accepted.

Yes, reviews can be used to provide job performance feedback to an ASP, though in a public venue for all to see. But the primary purpose of a review is to let fellow clients know so that they can make informed decisions about how they spend their $s.

[Guest Crystal Isis]

As for the telling someone how to run their business is that not exactly what the OP is doing in posting this thread? Admittedly the title and his closing question is generally directed. Asking the OP if he brought any of this up with the provider prior to his posting is not out of line he is after all telling her here.

Again his waiting for the provider was his choice just as when I make the choice to wait on and still see gentlemen whom are late for appointments they sat. So if she owes him then is it also fair to say that when I make the same choice for gentlemen they owe me for their lack of planning as well?

[Bit Banger]

... So if she owes him then is it also fair to say that when I make the same choice for gentlemen they owe me for their lack of planning as well?

A refrain we fellas hear often enough. But you are correct, same sauce for both goose and gander.

[2Big]

Thing is she's very young, has what is for me a nearly perfect body, and during the actual activities very enjoyable. Very enjoyable. The potential is there for a really good time.

And you're whining about what, exactly?

Trust me, you've found a unicorn. Maybe a little rough around the edges, but still. Now you want her to graze in a field of four-leaf clovers.

Alternatively, you could bang one of the reliable "seasoned" pros who've been around longer than Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been on the Supreme Court.

[limey]

How many times have we gone ahead with plans when the little head is in control.

Write the review. Be nice as you sound. Chrystal Isis has great points as well. That kind of logic just does not work when the little head is in charge. I wont generalize that we have all done this but bet its close. We don't get that logic sometimes and they cant understand what the little head does to us, sometimes sadly. Mars and Venus I think.

[Blue-eyedTraveler]

Good God, Morman, I don't know what it is, but I'm drawn to your bullshit entries like a moth to a flame. They're hysterical.

And yet...

Normally, I can get a little vicarious hit off what most people post here, but never with you. You're just so fucking transparent in your self-delusion that I always come away with a metaphorical limp dick. Why don't you go crawl back under the rock you came from and leave us normal people alone?

Geez.

[29er]

No sense of entitlement here. The "you can make it up to me" was a joke at the end of a half a dozen "I'm sorry, I feel like crap about this" texts back and forth.

Reviews in these cases are always a quandary for me. Partly it my moms "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" philosophy. Partly it's a recognition that YMMV. All of her other views are "Fantastic" so maybe I just didn't click for her.

I have provided advice in the past. Had one lady, also young and new, who shared her incall with a guy. Left his boots sitting out. I said I know I not the only guy, but leaving those out doesn't help the illusion. I had enough rapport with her that she took it in the spirit intended, thanked me. Never saw the boots again. Didn't feel that rapport here.

There's also some self interest here. I haven't been very active lately. Tended to see ladies I know well. Have lots of OK's, but not many recent ones which has made it hard to book sometimes. So a new one would be useful.

Edited December 15, 2013 by 29er
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[boink36]

No sense of entitlement here. The "you can make it up to me" was a joke at the end of a half a dozen "I'm sorry, I feel like crap about this" texts back and forth.

Reviews in these cases are always a quandary for me. Partly it my moms "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" philosophy. Partly it's a recognition that YMMV. All of her other views are "Fantastic" so maybe I just didn't click for her.

I have provided advice in the past. Had one lady, also young and new, who shared her incall with a guy. Left his boots sitting out. I said I know I not the only guy, but leaving those out doesn't help the illusion. I had enough rapport with her that she took it in the spirit intended, thanked me. Never saw the boots again. Didn't feel that rapport here.

There's also some self interest here. I haven't been very active lately. Tended to see ladies I know well. Have lots of OK's, but not many recent ones which has made it hard to book sometimes. So a new one would be useful.

If this is true, saying nothing would be the best option. the review forum is peppered with these glossed over padded reviews intended to spare the provider's feelings. in the end, these reviews only benefit the provider and not the hundreds of people who read reviews looking for accurate information.

If your feelings won't allow you to post an accurate depiction of services rendered save all of us the time and trouble of a review.

[MAG]

...... "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" philosophy.

You already said something "not very nice" -- you just didn't name names.

When you provide that many details about a provider but withhold her name, you make yourself look like an attention whore.

[SultryKitten]

I am sorry, but I laughed at this post for a various set of reasons. For one, she is young and tight, but YOU expected her to be a seasoned professional. When I was young, I was just figuring out how to not lay there like a dead fish. Also, you didn't see the red flags when she sets up an appt, but isn't there due to her getting her nails done? At least you got some action, so good on that part, but msog? Yeah, I could see right from the beginning you weren't getting that! Here's why...she is young and still naive, runs this like her own business(nails getting done), and you "expected" her to compensate(yeah, a real turn-on for women). Lastly, clothes on the floor = immature [snip} hasn't learned how to be responsible.

Write an honest review, and next time, do your homework better so you can get what you "expect".

xoxo,

S3(Sultry Samantha Sheppard)

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[29er]

A scan down the reviews makes it obvious that Fantastic is by far the most common, followed by Very Good. The rest are Terrible, No Show and Rip Off. Average is almost never used.

Given that half of anything is below average I must not be the only one who only posts the good ones.

[jmcgree]

A scan down the reviews makes it obvious that Fantastic is by far the most common, followed by Very Good. The rest are Terrible, No Show and Rip Off. Average is almost never used.

Given that half of anything is below average I must not be the only one who only posts the good ones.

Doesn't that mean "Very Good" is code for "Not As Good As I Wanted"? Seems a track record of a bunch of Very Goods rather than Fantastics says something.

[fatHead]

Here, here... posted only one "bad" review and in that I rated the consultation as average...

(I've been taken to task for posting a "bad" review where I rated the consultation

as very good......so I try to avoid the consternation and only report the better

consultations)

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

Does she have other reviews? If not an average review will help her more than no review because the johns will at least know she is legit. You've done her no favors here only made yourself look like a tool.

[Guest Crystal Isis]

And you're whining about what, exactly?

Trust me, you've found a unicorn. Maybe a little rough around the edges, but still. Now you want her to graze in a field of four-leaf clovers.

Alternatively, you could bang one of the reliable "seasoned" pros who've been around longer than Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been on the Supreme Court.

Thank you 2Big

[FirstTracks]

Again his waiting for the provider was his choice just as when I make the choice to wait on and still see gentlemen whom are late for appointments they sat. So if she owes him then is it also fair to say that when I make the same choice for gentlemen they owe me for their lack of planning as well?

Nope.

This is a business-client thing. If a business makes a mistake and inconveniences a client then they are well-advised to "make it up" to the client.

If a client does the same, the business can choose to not offer services to the client, but the client owes NOTHING to the business.

But since most people have NO clue how to run a business.........

[FirstTracks]

A scan down the reviews makes it obvious that Fantastic is by far the most common, followed by Very Good. The rest are Terrible, No Show and Rip Off. Average is almost never used.

Given that half of anything is below average I must not be the only one who only posts the good ones.

Slight digression...

Fantastic is often Average

Fantastic is sometimes Fantastic

Fantastic is sometimes Very Good

Fantastic could be less than Average

Same holds true for Very Good.

I think too many post reviews within 20 minutes of their session. There should be a 3-day waiting period. =)

If a lady has all Fantastic reviews then I am fairly certain that she will be somewhere between OK and OMFG great!

[engineer]

To the OP....Ive been there.

Ive left more than 1 appointment saying to myself "I found myself a GEM if only..." and then there would be several things I wish were different. This is an odd business, and its definitely one that we've all learned through experience. It sounds to me like you've been fortunate enough to be in the company of high quality, professional, exceptional women in your past. You're expecting her to be on time, to dress nice, to have a nice incall, etc.

Hey, most of us here would agree thats the expectation.

But you were obviously searching for something DIFFERENT than that. You found an "unknown" girl...probably by trolling Craigslist or Backpage or something similar. You knew you wouldnt get the all-around package you'd get from a highly reputable woman from the EscortBoards or p411. Maybe you were hoping to find a young, inexperienced super-hottie and then get it for the cheap. You know...bargain hunting? Maybe you, instead, just were tired of the "typical" girls you see advertising and just wanted something new. Hell, I got no idea...but whatever it is...

You found it, good for you!

Now, im going to change the subject...to what to do when you find a woman that really gets your motor running: Ride that horse!!!

I dont suggest changing her. I dont suggest "teaching" her. I suggest saddling up and riding that horse until you cant ride it any more. Enjoy it. Have fun with it. But, if there's one thing Ive learned about women, dont start trying to change her unless SHE lets you know she wants to be changed. If you start doing that, I'd guess she wont take to it very well. Crystal said it well...shes young, shes learning, shes doing this how she wants and when she wants.

I would suggest either:

A) Post no review. Be greedy. Enjoy your young/tight hottie, and RIDE THAT HORSE!

Post a average review. In that review state that she "could be top of the line charging more money if she would..." and then let the rest of us iron her out for you:) After a few dozen appointments with the TOB crowd, and a few reviews, she'll start to learn the business more and WHOILA...you've helped a girl figure out the business.

But you're not her pimp. You're not showing her the ropes. You're not her dad, you're not teaching her about life. You were a John for less than an hour, thats all.

[Whatdah]

Am confused here ....

While the provider was less then professional by not being at her location and ready for a set appointment time with you.

and don't forget, she served him his water in a coffee cup.

gawd, that just drives me frick'n crazy when that happens. talk about a buzz kill, sure way to screw up a date.

[parkercole]

ahh so good to see DM is back to fill us in with his world of fantasy! good to get a chuckle DM. although I always seem to not be able to make up for lost time on your posts!

It comes down to..some girls like me some girls do not..

When she likes you upon 1st impression, then, if you maintain that 1st impression, then she'll want you Not to leave..especially the "young" one, as you say..

Had one just last night..best I ever had.

Nothing was verboten, we stayed wrapped around one another for a Long time..

We just Fit well, she smelled good ~ another plus

Very selective these days, can count on my hand

All 250 and up are excluded, no matter how hot

She pleaded me to 'save' her number, I tell her Not to save mine, and to message me in another way if she wants to hookup

This is how it is..Save your money

We were so close