question for the guys

[Guest Kallie]

Ok i've been here for almost a month and well i have met a few real genuine gentlemen but there are a huge amount of rude and forceful men here in the springs. A few of these guys tried to stiff me at the end of the session. Like went for my purse and everything!! Why is this happening!? is there a way to report these guys? One of the culprits actually pushed me to the floor to get to my purse.

Oh, after i give my rates the "johns" try to talk me down in prices all the time. I take offence to that because i'm not a walker and nor will i be paid for walker prices! INSANE!

I am really glad to of met the 6 genuine gentlemen and for the rest of you learn some manners. Maybe you wouldn't have to see GIRLS if you were a little more kind and respectful.

[Guest]

A few of these guys tried to stiff me at the end of the session.

Get the money first.

Oh, after i give my rates the "johns" try to talk me down in prices all the time. I take offence to that because i'm not a walker and nor will i be paid for walker prices! INSANE!

A prostitute is a prostitute. You are no better than street walkers.

I am really glad to of met the 6 genuine gentlemen and for the rest of you learn some manners.

There are a lot more than 6 gentlemen out there. Let douchebags roll off of your shoulders like nothing, so that when you do meet the good guys, you are in a good state of mind.

Maybe you wouldn't have to see GIRLS if you were a little more kind and respectful.

There is nothing wrong with seeing girls. You say it like "well, something must be wrong if someone sees girls".

[mustang]

Maybe you wouldn't have to see GIRLS if you were a little more kind and respectful.

Free sex is WAAAAY more expensive than "seeing girls"

Edited July 15, 2013 by mustang
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[Boardmember]

I sorry this is happening to you. I'm such a complete rookie that I would not have any worthwhile advice, but your post reinforces why many ladies are very, very stringent in their screening. Again, sorry you've had to go through those episodes.

[fork]

is there a way to report these guys? One of the culprits actually pushed me to the floor to get to my purse.

I hope some other provider can give this poor girl the details on providerbuzz or the ladies' board or some other place where she can report these assholes.

We're getting a bad reputation in the Springs and that's not fair to those of us who have some respect.

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

I would say you are not doing a very good job of screening your johns. Whatever they have done to you they have done to other hookers and good screening would have identified it. My understanding is that there are several john blacklists that you can report these johns on as well as use for your screening. Talk to your peers abiut these lists.

[mrvegas63]

And if not screening or dealing with the provider boards & blacklists, get the money up-front, send the guy to the restroom to "wash your hands, take a bathroom break, shower, etc", and while he's in there (insist on hand washing at minimum), hide the money.

[Guest Kallie]

yea i always get the money up front. all i get is assholes calling me :l

[urfan]

isn't there some mechanism in p411 that gals can report and keep track of the douchenozzles - in the springs and elsewhere?

between the large number of guys in the military and christian right folks in the client pool there, you've got a tough row to hoe (so to speak)

[MAG]

A few of these guys tried to stiff me at the end of the session. Like went for my purse and everything!! Why is this happening!? is there a way to report these guys? One of the culprits actually pushed me to the floor to get to my purse.

Buy some mace, keep it nearby. Any asshole that gets physical, blast him.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these guys are military -- so, take some steps to screen soldiers out.

Oh, after i give my rates the "johns" try to talk me down in prices all the time. I take offence to that because i'm not a walker and nor will i be paid for walker prices! INSANE!

It doesn't matter whether you are a "walker". State clearly in your ads that you do not negotiate rates, and as soon as he starts, hang up on him.

I am really glad to of met the 6 genuine gentlemen and for the rest of you learn some manners. Maybe you wouldn't have to see GIRLS if you were a little more kind and respectful.

You're not going to help your situation by bitching at us. Improve your "asshole radar" -- be more selective about which guys make the cut from "phone call" to "appointment". You might change your rates -- they may be too low, attracting the "streetwalker" type of guy, or they may be too high. Hard to say, I don't know where you advertise, so I don't know what your rates are or what services you offer.

The wording and grammar in your ads may also be affecting things -- have someone else do a critique on your presentation, maybe that will help you attract better clientele.

Another suggestion would be to work out of Denver. I think the biz gets harder the farther south down I-25 you go.

[snowmanmc]

I see your page but you don't state your prices but you offer a discount, how would I know the set rates.

http://coloradosprings.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/last-day-in-town-fantastic-reviews-6233137591-60-discount-22/12741550

[Pirate]

A few comments,

First off, you're obviously doing something wrong. You need to figure out what that is and take steps to correct it, or you're in the wrong business and need to do something else.

You need to be more careful screening people. Talk to them over the phone for a while before scheduling an appointment. If they give you a bad vibe, don't schedule. Use a 2-call system. Have them park somewhere you can see them with binoculars. If they look like trouble, cancel without giving them the room number. If someone makes it as far as your incall room and you immediately get a bad feeling, tell them they have the wrong room, lock the door, and switch off your phone so it doesn't ring. Shortly after they leave, change rooms or change motels.

Always get the money up front. Count it in front of them, then go in another room to hide it. If someone shoves you, that's battery, and if they grab your purse that's robbery. Very short step from pushing you on the ground and taking your purse to kicking you in the face or slicing you up with a razor. You need to be a fuck of a lot more careful about who you let into your room or eventually you're going to get hurt.

Someone said something about mace. Ever spray mace inside an enclosed area? Wrong tool for the job. Gel or foam based spray can be used indoors, but after you spray you'll need to grab your stuff and get out of the room and not go back. D-cell flashlight battery in a stocking works well, and can be hidden between the mattress and box spring. Ice picks are only a couple bucks at Wal Mart and are easy to hide too. But you don't use violence unless you have no other option. Because of what you're doing, your attackers are counting on you not wanting to draw attention to yourself, and if you started screaming they probably wouldn't expect that, but it could go either way, either they run out the door or they try to make you shut up. If you do a better job screening, you're less likely to have these problems.

There are a lot of serial predators who like to hit prostitutes and take their money, as they consider you a low risk target: inside a private room, lots of cash, unlikely to report the crime to LE. Sounds like you've had more than your fair share of bad experiences lately, but you haven't met one of the REALLY bad guys yet. You need to screen better.

[EveSupreme]

I have amazing clients in the Springs, as well as Denver occasionally. You've got some great reviews, so you should certainly have no problem establishing yourself. In my opinion, success is reliant on a few things:

1. Keep your rates high enough that you attract a more... judicious clientele. Sorry guys. I get that we're all working on a budget but, in my experience, those who see price as the bottom line are rarely as invested in establishing a genuine connection. Higher rates may cut down the amount of interest you receive, but it will invariably be interest of a more legitimate, sincere nature.

2. Don't ever forget that, especially when you move closer to "high-end" territory, you're being paid to provide an experience that should include an inviting ambiance, genuine interest, and warmth, not *just* your body.

3. Be discerning about where and how you advertise. Set up a profile on P411, get a website, and allow people to get to know you as a person; I imagine anyone who would take the time to do that will be less likely to jack your shit, yo.

Sorry to ramble, but I've got a vested interest in seeing that the Springs are well taken care of. Good luck!

Edited July 15, 2013 by EveSupreme
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[parkercole]

screen the gents!

and if you solely rely on backpage, well...........

[jackg720]

also be sure the phone you use isnt your main personal. Get a burner or a cheap cricket phone or something for business.

[Libertarian]

Eve's suggestions are right on. When you don't screen, many of the good guys can't see you, because you are a risk to them, if you get involved with drama or worse. Click on this link and read what happened here

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/04/sheri_carter_murder_text_messages_jimmy_dac_ho.php

She used Backpage too

[Guest]

There are a lot of serial predators who like to hit prostitutes and take their money, as they consider you a low risk target: inside a private room, lots of cash, unlikely to report the crime to LE. Sounds like you've had more than your fair share of bad experiences lately, but you haven't met one of the REALLY bad guys yet. You need to screen better.

One of my friends was working in Colorado Springs a few months a ago. The guy was screened. He had a hobby name, hobby phone and had a good reference from another well known provider. So she saw him. This guy asked for discount. He agreed to pay her rate when he arrived. Witch apparently he did pay it when he arrived. She counted the money.

Apparently half way through the session he begun beating the shit outta her face and bashed it in, broke her nose, left bruises on her arms, broke her left arm. Stole her purse with her money and car keys in it. He didn't steal her car. When I saw her face, i was in shock. Iv never seen someone's face so brutally bashed in.

Rule £1: Always expect that there is a possibility of someone hurting you.

Rule £2: Always expect that there is someone willing to rob you.

Rule £3: Never see anyone who's not willing to pay your prices.

Rule £4: Keep your self safe. No one else is going to love you more then you.

Rule £5: Fuck that shit...... YOU FIGHT BACK.... NEVER EVER make it easy for you to get robed. They might come back.

Rule £6: This is choice of employment, you must know there are people who don't give a fuck.

Rule £7: Educate yourself on self defence. There are many options.

There are options for self defence. Just because you screen does not mean your 100% safe. It just helps weed out the majority of bullshit from happening.

[macho]

So you met 6 gentleman. How many of the other types kinds did you see?

[Kira Swan]

Screen, screen, then screen again!!!

True, some douches take advantage of new girls but just like some guys prefer to see reputable providers, you should maybe consider seeing reputable gents...

I'd bet my bottom dollar that the bad experiences you had were guys responding to your BP ad...

Good luck Hun!

[Guest]

I have only had 2 bad experiences within the past 10 years.

The first gentleman, this happened inside of a brothel. At the Bunny Ranch. He was drunk, trying to steal me away and take me home with him. So security removed him. Not sure this one even counts. This kind of crap happens at strip clubs too.

The second time was a gentlemen from www.sowet.com & www.escortboards.net

He was screened, and he had a good reference from a well known provider. He even

had written several previous reviews right here on TOB. He pushed me around so badly, he sprained my ankle. He then tried to force me to do bareback. (a service I dont offer) So, I tasered his sorry ass. I forced him to leave. I stayed at another providers home for a shot time. Where she helped me. I ended up in urgent care to find out my ankle was sprained. And huge doctor bill. My point is... he did not come from backpage.

Moral of my story:

To only have had "two" bad things happen to me, within 10 years is actually not bad. Its because I screen. It helps weed out bullshit. However, it does not matter how much you screening you do or where the guy sees your ad shit can happen. Be prepaird for it. Expect it. You would be a fool other wise. Unfortunately, It's the nature of the business. Its a risk you agree to take while being an escort.

Unfortunately,

Us ladies, as providers we have to worry about serveral things hurting us.

Most recently: VICE/ LE/ PIMPS/ GETTING OUTED BY OTHER PROVIDERS.

"FBI & IRS" (for girls who dont pay taxes, and think they can get a way with it.)

Even The Guys:

The guys have to worry about being outed to there familys and there work, now they too get baited for entrapment from le.

If you cant deal with the risks, then you probably should not be in the business of being a hooker - a prostitute. AWALYS expect the worst, then you are never surprised. This way when its only good... it stays good. And you will want to see the next guy who just wants some fun and get laid for once. Especially the one's who cant get shit from there wife at home. (I personally thank all the wemon who dont fuck there hubby or boyfriends. Reason I have a job and one I actually enjoy n like)

You must undertand the risks you take when do this job. As a friend once said... if you cant handle it, then this job is not for you.

You have two choices in this game.... either you will educate yourself well... or your going to learn the hard way. I hope the best for you.

[Guest]

I have been in Co Spgs for 13 years now and I have only had 1 bad experience. This was many years ago and from an out of state guy. The guys in the Springs are of the highest quality if you advertise in the right spot. Do not use backpage unless you know how to screen really hard. The quality of guys on BP goes way down on that site IMO. And also the guys from here that do use BP are aware of how to do their own screening and research. It goes both ways however, just read some of the reviews.

Is screening a pain in the ass? Yes, but totally worth it. Guys that do not want to be screened are not worth your time. The guys that will allow screening or call with references ready are the guys that make things much easier. Where do you find those guys? In my experience, Escort boards and P411. I never get haggled over rates, and the guys show up with the right amount, and everyone is happy.

[MAG]

Guys that do not want to be screened are not worth your time.

[Guest]

av8r, there are many ways to screen a guy without asking for a ton of personal information. But let's put that aside for a moment. So what you are saying is you expect to be able to just make an appointment and give the girl NO info about you? This is why the girl is having problems. She doesn't know you are a nice guy. Hell I do not know you are a nice guy. Sorry BUT I don't think just because you say your a nice guy, doesn't mean you are. I know there are a ton of nice guys out there, and there are many ways to find that out without crawling up a guys ass. But not telling me anything other than trust me I am a nice guy is not going to get you to see me.

[MAG]

.....So what you are saying is you expect to be able to just make an appointment and give the girl NO info about you? ........

No, I don't expect to get an appointment. My point was simply that being unwilling to provide a lot of personal info doesn't make a guy "bad news". Maybe you should go back and read my post (calmly this time), and not inject so many of your assumptions into what I said.

[Guest]

A few of these guys tried to stiff me at the end of the session.

i always get the money up front.

[Guest Skibum]

This rip-off stuff happens both ways. The way I avoid it is by restricting my choice of ladies to either one from P411, a reputable agency, or both. Personally, BP scares me to death. Are you on P411? If not, you should be.

Your ad says nothing about screening or references required. Maybe you should just insert that language to try to stop the jerks from calling. If the guy sounds like a jerk on the phone, then check the references. No references, no appointment. Plus, I agree with all of the above posters on what they said.

If you care to see a REAL gentleman, drive up to the mountains and come to my place!! I think you look hot!

[Ghost_Rider]

I'm not sure where your advertising but I'm sure it can be a mixed bag of nuts out there in general population. You might think about trying EB and P411.

I rarely hear ladies who play in these arena's complain about their clients. Not to say there isn't a bad apple here and there but most gents around here know what to expect....and what's expected .

[Pirate]

Your ad says nothing about screening or references required. Maybe you should just insert that language to try to stop the jerks from calling. If the guy sounds like a jerk on the phone, then check the references.

If the guy "sounds like a jerk on the phone," just tell him you're booked solid for the next week. That is a major red flag there. As others have said, even people with verifiable references can turn out to be a freak. Maybe he was nice to the last few girls, but this week he got fired from his job and is off his meds. References are only an indicator, not a guarantee. Besides, there are lots of good guys who don't have references (the few girls I've seen are either out of the business now or out of Denver with a new number). It's a judgement call. Trust your gut and don't make an exception just because you want the money. If a guy seems like a creep over the phone or has no online presence at all, just tell him you're unavailable.

[inkspot]

2. Don't ever forget that, especially when you move closer to "high-end" territory, you're being paid to provide an experience that should include an inviting ambiance, genuine interest, and warmth, not *just* your body.

To the Original Poster (and others wanting to attract repeat gentlemen)- this statement should be the gold standard for you to achieve. I cannot tell you how important it is to me to have someone with these qualities. The incall should have ambiance. Set the mood for us to remember. If you have a hotel room with the TV on, I guess there is a type of client for that.

Raise your bar to a higher level of standard.

Not meaning to digress but still in response to the OP, the most memorable times I have had with providers were those that would not allow me in the room until they had the mood set. Candles, the lamp skirt open on top that cast a glow over the room, music, their appearance, etc. These little things will attract a higher level customer and repeat business. I have seen escorts that are not an 8 or 9 or 10 have all the business they want because of attitude and doing the things in Rule #2.

Develop a personality where guys cannot wait to see you again.

Others have indicated confusion in your pricing in your ad. If you do not mention the price in the ad, at the very least, confirm your price for an hour's time when you confirm the appointment so there is no question. If they attempt to negotiate, politely show them the door.

Your attitude is a predictor of how the appointment will go.

Sometime you get a frog. Advertise in the right places, become part of the community here, and screen will help minimize the frog population and get better clients.

Good Luck.

[Guest]

Sorry BUT I don't think just because you say your a nice guy, doesn't mean you are. I know there are a ton of nice guys out there, and there are many ways to find that out without crawling up a guys ass. But not telling me anything other than trust me I am a nice guy is not going to get you to see me.

I agree with Melissa 100%

After seeing my girlfriends FACE BASHED IN and bloody, HER ARM BROKEN, BRUISES ALL OVER HER BODY where the guy beat the living shit outta her............oh now she gets to pay the doctor bill..... holly shit.... I would be a fucking moron to just see any guy who says he is safe without screening him.

I am not trying to hit my death bed any sooner. no thanks.

Now the flip side...the guys have to worry about shit happening to them too.

Girls can be just as fucked up too.