Posted November 22, 2012 To the OP: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THIS? Face down ass up.... Kidding. I believe that it can go in any of three directions. It can be a 50-50 split at times, and other times, the escort gets the better end of the deal and sometimes the client gets the better end of the deal. That is my position on this. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 $$$ is the only thing I have to bring to the table. you are wrong!!! Grits if all you're bringing is money then it's a no go. In one of my last encounters I got the best massage I'd ever had. Maybe it was the angle as I was still on top of him but he f'n massaged for over an hour. I massaged him back and we ended up having a 3 hour session. I decided that when he calls me again that I'd walk out wo my gift. He was that good at EVERYTHING he did. Cute too. To the OP: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THIS? What other things of value do you, as a provider, get from the exchange? Face down ass up.... Kidding. I believe that it can go in any of three directions. It can be a 50-50 split at times, and other times, the escort gets the better end of the deal and sometimes the client gets the better end of the deal. That is my position on this.Cute response with nice mental picture, but silence concerning the question asked Damn wimmenfolk. It ALWAYS like this. I'm reminded of the list of "women's rules for men." RULE#1: The man can never know the rules. If I am seeing you without the money, it is not an ASP/Client relationship. I am assuming the money is a requirement for this discussion. What else....OF VALUE....is the client giving to the provider in this exchange? Lola is apparently getting backrubs from cute guys AND money. That's great! She's got a good thing going....she's probably getting the better part of the deal, unless she is "upping her game" as a result of those backrubs. No data provided. Relationships, even business ones, are a give and take proposition. And yes, friendships can form within that context....but will probably not extend outside of that context. Which is why I made my comment about $$$ being what I bring to the table. Sure, I try to be as polite as possible. If I make a mistake I try to correct it. I am (thanks to Destiny) almost insanely preoccupied with the cleanliness of my Azz. But having no training, I could never give a massage that would be worth free time from the provider. I am NOT cute. And I am NOT that good at everything I do. If I were, I probably wouldn't be forking out the dough. So, what else, OF VALUE, CAN I bring to the bartering table. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 So, what else, OF VALUE, CAN I bring to the bartering table. Besides money? Because money + a good attitude and proper hygiene usually means I get the better end of the deal, but you could also add to the list: Some good dick, some nice conversation, a couple of orgasms, a good story, a mustache ride, a gift, a bottle of tea, some foreign currency, a memorable experience, a smile (for me), a willingness to have fun and do what WE want, another girl (pre approved, of course! *wink), a laugh, a new pair of shoes or a new strap-on, compassion, a link to a cool music video, a turtle dove, a recommendation on a good place to go dancing, passion, good kissing, a perverted fantasy, a piece of fruit, some geek talk, a scented candle, a new sex toy, a compliment, a clean butthole, a picture of your new puppy, a pair of clean shaved balls, your favorite quote, a gift card to my favorite shop, a partridge in a pear tree, a cash tip, some awesome tattoos to look at, a trip to Hawaii, a good spanking, a massage, a toe licking, some DATO, a good book, a cup of coffee, a dance move, souvenirs, a smile (from you), a flute (for me to use at band camp). Just to name a few! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 I get better end of deal. I use to waste my time by frequently watching porn and jacking off. Now I occasionally go to provider and save 80% of time to focus on other long term goals. Thus 3 hr spent per session to save 15 hr is good deal for me. 3 hr includes session time + travel + pre/post thorough bath time + some research time. My current issue is to save time on researching providers. And I think the answer may be to have dependable favorites. Also there are few reviewers I trust and their one review is good enough for me to call provider and save research time. ( May be we should pay those reviewers for their consulting) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 It depends on the people involved, sometimes the john gets the better end of the deal and sometimes the provider does. It is best when both feel they got the better end of the deal. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 The client gets the better end of the deal. Clients have the more durable and rarer assets - money, education and earning power. Providers' assets - youth, looks, sexual ability, amenable personalities, etc. - are not durable or that rare. Youth and looks fade away and there is always new competition from new providers. Hence why older providers tend to charge lower rates and have more expansive menus then younger ones. Sexual ability and friendliness are not that rare in this biz. Providers also would earn a tiny fraction of what they do providing or stripping if they were to leave the biz and do something else with their lives. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 22, 2012 2Big.....I hear through the back channels you're a nice guy, you've got lots more experience than I, and most of your posts are intelligent, witty, and thought provoking. But if I were one of the ladies, I'd be insulted by your post. Was this your intent? While I agree that any woman with no talents at all could ATTEMPT to be a provider, many of the skill sets associated with good customer relations, good psychoanalysts, good sexual therapists, and above all good ACTRESSES, are required to be a successful ASP. Only the pay is probably better than these other fields. To dissmiss them as no-talent parasites that are lucky to have a pussy attached does them....and YOU....a dis-service. If all I wanted was an orgasm, I don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for that. The presence of a living, breathing woman fills an emotional need as well. That need won't be met if the ASP does not have the right skill sets. That said.....I am still waiting to hear from the OP, or any other ASP for that matter, what else they get out of this barter BESIDES $$$. That will help in the determination of who is getting the better deal. hey grits, you have to have figured out by now that 2b uses the forum here like a bolshevik uses a Molotov cocktail. I respectfully disagree. I view 2Big as another experienced client that I can learn a lot from. He has a world-view that I frequently disagree with....but still don't fully understand. Everyone brings something of value to the table. Me? I'm the poster child for "don't be that guy." and i respect your right to disagree . . . respectfully but insipid, insouciant and intransigent is no way to go through life, son. (to paraphrase 'animal house') Once again 2Big nets another catch, guys the topic of this thread is not 2Big. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 Clicking on the thread I was honestly thinking to myself that I, the client get the better end of the deal. But after reading through I do believe it's beneficial to both parties to the extent that it is a 50/50 win. Everyone involved gets what they want no matter what the scenario is. He gets his good time and her the money. Right there it is a win/win. Add in all other factors and variables of how an encounter might go and it can only get better. Yes, of course there will be bad times had by both parties. We all know how bad hygiene can ruin anyones time whether it was the client or the providers problem. But even then everyone still leaves with what they wanted to begin with. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 Great question. If it's done right, it's a perfect exchange. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 But if I were one of the ladies, I'd be insulted by your post. There is nothing insulting about the truth. Many guys are willing to fuck DEAD women (a sub-plot, btw, in this week's American Horror Story: Asylum), so how much talent do you think a women really needs to become an escort? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 The escort or the client? Or is it a 100% mutually beneficial relationship? Why? As you noted earlier in the thread, it can be 50/50, client, or escort. I know that I often feel like I received more than I paid for (especially when I get an advertised "special". I love bargains!). I have felt, also, that the girl took my money, and then did the least amount of work possible (very rare, and not in a long time). Mostly, it seemed that we both had some fun, she made money, and I added to the "spank bank" but never have to call her again. I'd say those were a 50/50 deal. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 In a free market economy Ii.e. not constrained by governements, pimps, or unions), this exchange should usually result in a 50/50 with both parties being satisfied with the deal. Oh there have been times when I've felt cheated one way or another. There are also times when I've felt exceptionally rewarded with a wonderful experience. I image it's the same for everyone, male & female. But on the whole I'd say we're all fairly compensated (for our time, our $s, etc.) or we wouldn't continue to make the exchanges we do. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 I have read this thread and a little perplexed. First off most people are focusing on the immediate exchange/session/experience I would say that the men have an overall advantage. Like gina Juat wrote about whackjobs, I have had around 4 sessions with a whackjob. And they tell me about some crazy shit in there past and I privately wonder if being an escort is of mental or physical help. How often does one notice a new asp advertising in e.b then about three to four months later they stop? I don't know why.. I have had 2 close friends be an escort. One is retired after several months and now is near suicidal because of the times she was escorting. She has a lot of self hate. The other girl who still works and advertises daily has a major drug and booze problem. And she needs an intervention imho. I have often wondered the psych-e of a provider and their emotional baggage of having sexual relations with X00 men, women, strangers, regulars, etc a year. Men are wired to have less baggage and would be thrilled to bang X00 women a year.( and get paid for it $200-$300 a pop, are you kidding?) The money issue though immediate is also strange to me. Money is the most paid towards a value. A value is a perceived perception. People with less money value things different then people with more money. That being said a person sees an asp and shells out 300$ and has a great time while a milliinare sees the same asp and has a horrible time but is happy cause at least he got off could careless that he spent 300$. 2¢ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 I have often wondered the psych-e of a provider and their emotional baggage Obviously I cannot speak for everybody. But I can 100% guarantee you that being an escort has been a very positive experience for my psyche. I am actually a better person because of being an escort. I know lots of other girls that are the same as me. If your friends have some kind of emotional hangup about the industry that is due to their own emotional makeup and beliefs and less related to being in the industry. They feel bad about it but the industry did not make it that way, they did. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 ... I don't know why.. I have had 2 close friends be an escort. One is retired after several months and now is near suicidal because of the times she was escorting. She has a lot of self hate. The other girl who still works and advertises daily has a major drug and booze problem. And she needs an intervention imho. ... These anecdotes say more about the sick psyche of our society! Fill peoples heads with messages of evil, filth, disease, etc. regarding sex & prostitution for 20-30 years and it's going to do some damage. Fortunately, the are some who can get past this puritan programming. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 I agree with both bit and destiny. There are exceptions to the rule and society mrs jones pressure. I just know ny friend now would easily give up the 30-40k she made for all those "50/50 exp" and not do any of them if she could go back in time. As for my drug plagued friend its an interesting debate if the industry launched that or she chose the industry to cater to it. Either I was just saying she needs help with the drugs and crap and if she can do that sober and continue to escort great. I don't know I am not a softer just an outsider with limited knowledge. She is her own person and as a friend I would simply like to see her sober. I understand some women do it for school money and or are strong enough to handle X00 dicks a year. I also have met many who want kids or to be married and fear the number question. "How many x have you slept with type shit". I have tried to marry 3 escorts as I don't have a problem with it. I seriously doubt men or women could bang X00 people a year and it not affect them emotionally or physically ... If I was an escort and the Samantha was similar for women I would not charge for half hours. 150$ an hour. Be selective on daty. Require d size boobs preferably pierced, and require a facial ending. Another factor that is missing is risk. If a provider is known there is less risk for the john. If the john is not known and or can pass a background check the john still could be nuts. There was a recent thread of a denver provider who got slapped around from a p411 account. I don't know her but I haven't seen her advertise since. I know screening helps. I have seen 2you well knowns from a one call close with no screening and I have ended a session with a well known who took a call as I was leaving who also arranged/offered a session from a one call. The john was supposed to call 5 minutes out. I asked the asp if she knew the guy and she said "no, there is some cowboy rodeo in town". It was crazy. All of my rants lead me to believe that the john will generally come out a head. There may be an immediate 50/50 but after the session the male is gone. Maybe catches an std. The girl might catch one too but when school is paid for or wanting to get married or leave the industry X0000 experiences has to take some toll in the later years of life... Speaking in general terms. 2¢ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 23, 2012 That's true about risk, however it can be minimized. Never eliminated totally, but minimized. I've been doing this on and off for quite a while and not had any real issues yet. I don't really care about marriage, but I have dated and it hasn't been an issue with what I have done in the past, and these have been good guys, just for other reasons it has not worked out. I do this as it meets my needs sexually, and I get the financial benefit also. I also work a regular job, and put hours in at my own business so eventually I can quit the other job and work for myself. I would probably still do this on occassion unless I was in a committed relationship...but I'm not looking either. I'm pretty darn happy with my life right now, that hasn't always been the case, but it has not been related to escorting in anyway, more so to issues within myself. I've had a lot of fun over the years, and met some fantastic people, many of whom I am friends with outside this business. I make it fun by being selective for myself, and being able to pick and choose. I guess it's more a hobby for me than a career, but I do it because I enjoy it. I have a high sex drive so I'm honestly not sure what I would be doing otherwise lol. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 I had the most amazing session today, total love making one on one and I was hooked. I think I got the better end of the deal there because if I could have kept him forever I would have 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 So are we talking long or short term here. Neither as this business is instant self gratification. YL learn way too young what daddy and grandpa are like in bed I agree with 303live fucking and sucking takes a troll on the ladies physcially and emotionally . Men suffer as well after awhile they can't look at a women and feel somethng special for her as we are nothing more then ass, tits and viginas and we cum a dime a dozens. Not to mention the diseases that we can get. 50% of Amercian adults have had gential warts at one time of thier sexually active lives 6000 new cases arise every year. Gential warts go on to develop into more serious disfiguring disease such as vulva, vigina, mouth cervix penile anal cancer just a few to name. by large the women have more to loss then men. Financial, physically, emotionally criminally. 50/50 you say, Lilithia 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 I agree with 303live fucking and sucking takes a troll on the ladies physcially and emotionally . What a wonderfully honest assessment! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 Pfunk is married to destiny. Troll out... And about X000 has banged her. Happy hobbying. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 Pfunk is married to destiny. Troll out... And about X000 has banged her. Happy hobbying. I'm not married to Destiny. She is my girl friend, whom I love, though. I guess you thought I was mocking you, but I was joking about Lilithia'a mispelling, Sorry you didn't get it. I hope you have lots of win/win appointments! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 Thats cool of you. I totally missed the sarcasm ... Have egg on my face... Happy hobbying ... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 So, what else, OF VALUE, CAN I bring to the bartering table. You are cute, kind, easy to talk to, clean, respectful and fun. That is incredibly valuable in my book! I don't think you need to bring anything else to the bartering table. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 You are cute, kind, easy to talk to, clean, respectful and fun. That is incredibly valuable in my book! I don't think you need to bring anything else to the bartering table. What I can't bring to the table are a roof over your head, food on the table, or significant emotional support, so I bring $s instead. Nor can I offer an exclusive LTR (though there are escorts with whom I've had a relastionship for years). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 What I can't bring to the table are a roof over your head, food on the table, or significant emotional support, so I bring $s instead. Nor can I offer an exclusive LTR (though there are escorts with whom I've had a relastionship for years). Hmmmmm Bit is doing a better job of expressing my position than I am. Maybe, because I don't face a daily stream of unwashed assholes, I tend to treat things like being clean and polite as just proper behavior......not something of value. I guess that's the point I was making, and Bit elaborated on it perfectly. If clean & polite really is a rarity, then in the aggregate the clients ARE coming out ahead. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 No, I did not mispell the word that is what I meant too say,Too bad you didn't get my meaning!! You know play on words Everyone knows you are not married to Destiny whats your point!!! Lilithia 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 wow Adelle, it's so nice to hear stories like this one. gives the rest of us hope . . . 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 Oh, I don't know. There were definitely hard emotional times for me but I think that was primarily because of two factors: 1) being a workaholic (which creates problems in any profession and still creates problems for me) and 2) I was married (which made it harder, emotionally, for me in a couple different ways) Generally speaking, I think both come out "on top". There are many different ways that my experience as an escort has helped me negotiate situations in my current professional life - understanding people, reading people, feeling confident in a room full of people whom others might feel intimidated by... and I made a shit-ton of money. That was awesome. And I have some very tender memories. I think that means the guys got something pretty great out of it too. I have some not so great memories and they are usually from my first three months. Growing pains, I guess. - I feel like I got what I wanted (and needed) from my experience and I certainly hope the men I entertained did too. I must say, I am exceptional at one-on-one and small group negotiations and interactions. I credit that to my time as Sascha. I could use some help in large group settings - maybe I should come back and only provide gang bangs...? (only in the interest of professional growth, of course! How's that for a "development plan"?!) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 24, 2012 Damn wimmenfolk. It ALWAYS like this. I'm reminded of the list of "women's rules for men." RULE#1: The man can never know the rules. So, what else, OF VALUE, CAN I bring to the bartering table. I have great luck with Bass Pro Shop gift cards and fresh trout. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
