Wanting money for texting

[Hunter VanDyke]

13 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

Lol, for you maybe. Of course, IDK,  but,  I suspect you have another account, besides  Hunter Vandyke.

Come to think of it, why would you want "Dyke" in you screen name?

The real question is why wouldn't I? Lol

So is this some random suspicion you have, or is their another account

you think is mine? Be specific. The suspense is killing me! 😁

 

[Hunter VanDyke]

4 minutes ago, oldertruckguy-9225 said:

Hunter I get everything you wrote. I can't call up the details, I'm impressed but not surprised that you can, but I understand what you are saying. Explicit texts can hurt me as well as the young lady. Plus, so much can be misconstrued, misunderstood or read totally out of context in a text. So, rather than continue down a path that can lead to frustration and unnecessary drama I have chosen a different path.   I have worked to find other likeminded individuals. we have developed a circle, a network if you will, of people who share a kink. We are not swingers, not into multiple partners. We share a "kink", a unique style of play. We talk to one another share contact info and look out for one another. I also whole heartedly endorse references!! We thoroughly vet newbies, male or female. I still occasionally reach out to a TOB lady. I still use a couple of other sites as well as a few dedicated to our lifestyle. 

I enjoy the forums, the exchanges. I read the reviews. But as a "regular" source of playmates other venues work better for me. I will say again this is not a slam, casting dispersion or anything negative concerning TOB

OTG, you addressed this to me but I think you meant @JessicaJonesing

[oldertruckguy-9225]

ooops. I am not as good at multitasking as I once was. Wait, isn't that a Country Western song. Toby Keith?  Sorry Jessica

[JessicaJonesing]

15 hours ago, Mike940370 said:

Oh hello no, some must want to get paid , for texting a couple 2 or 3 word sentences.

...

I ask for rate and or location,  I say fine, are you avail now.

 

Asking rates is a solicitation for prostitution in a medium with digital permanence.

In my case, I wouldn't respond either and would block the number; less so the LEO risk, more so because -- again, this is my situation alone -- it means you didn't follow the basic instructions in my ad that says "I only respond to those that initiate contact via my Rates & Contact" form.

Men who think the rules don't apply to them are problematic. GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT.

Typically, the type of person who thinks that way gets angry when they can't have everything demand? The ones an inability to have conflicting opinions in a respectful, non-attacking way?

It displays a lack the impulse control and the emotional stability to restrain themselves. Over something as trivial as a board post? What happens in person?

Perhaps @Mike940370, you're the sweetest guy ever in person? But it doesn't seem that way, and your actions are leading women -- we see orders of magnitude more people than hobbyists, thus have a vastly higher sample size to develop "spidey sense" -- to flag you as unstable, and aggressive. That gets you demands for pre-payment and/or deposits from providers that don''t normally ask such things, while most will just avoid you -- no sense poking the (angry) bear, as they say.

 

[Mike940370]

Well, you made me blush Jessica, I am one sweetest guys I know

However , In my circumstance, i know you're wrong about the gift card/ cash app/ etc scam girls. Well actually , it's only a 50/50 chance that they are even female. Did you know that if I buy them a gift card or something like that, that proves I'm not a cop? I guess cops aren't allowed to buy gift cards.

Plus, even after them I am cash only,  they often trying to talk me into getting them one. Sometimes, days later they ask if I changed my mind.

The only reason I mentioned this is because the topic was about wasting people's time.

If I dont know how much I need to bring, why would I waste my time driving there. Aren't you allowed to charge for your time?  Doesnt everybody charge for their time or pay somebody for their time?

[JoDoe27]

53 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

Aren't you allowed to charge for your time?  Doesnt everybody charge for their time or pay somebody for their time?

Anyone step in to correct me here but my understanding goes….

Yes escorts can legally exist and work and charge for their time. That time does not include sex. They can accompany you events or just hanging out, whatever they deem is companionship but the moment sex enters the equation after you’ve paid for their companionship it then flips to prostitution. I’m certain argument could be made about chemistry and things progress naturally to sex. It doesn’t matter how many times it get stated in ads , messages, or even boards “whatever happens between consenting adults” will not hold up. This is where language has made things complicated and tried to skirt legality but that’s the general answer.

The best I can tell is @JessicaJonesing is getting around it by going the content route. In that while you’re still paying her what you’re creating is porn with the potential purpose of being used personally or uploaded to some site. In essence you’re a paid actor. 

[Mike940370]

Well, you made me blush Jessica, I am one sweetest guys I know

However , In my circumstance, i know you're wrong about the gift card/ cash app/ etc scam girls. Well actually , it's only a 50/50 chance that they are even female. Did you know that if I buy them a gift card or something like that, that proves I'm not a cop? I guess cops aren't allowed to buy gift cards.

Plus, even after them I am cash only,  they often trying to talk me into getting them one. Sometimes, days later they ask if I changed my mind.

The only reason I mentioned this is because the topic was about wasting people's time.

If I dont know how much I need to bring, why would I waste my time driving there. Aren't you allowed to charge for your time?  Doesnt everybody charge for their time or pay somebody for their time?

[Mike940370]

Do they really care what 2 consenting adults are doing doing when they are not hurting anyone else? 

 Geeze they have a revolving door forl robber's, rapers ,muggers and murderers on no cash free bail.  

[MrReindeer-9515]

9 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

Do they really care what 2 consenting adults are doing doing when they are not hurting anyone else? 

 Geeze they have a revolving door forl robber's, rapers ,muggers and murderers on no cash free bail.  

In Colorado(and I assume most other places that have such laws in effect), no cash bail only applies to non violent, lower level offenses.

[Mike940370]

Maybe you dont read the news too much Mr Raindeer or at least not the blue state news.

Edited September 2, 2022 by Mike940370

[gr8owl]

52 minutes ago, Mike940370 said:

Maybe you dont read the news too much Mr Raindeer or at least not the blue state news.

decent description here:

https://lucerosbailbonds.com/2019/11/need-to-know-colorado-bail-laws/

Minor crimes only - class three misdemeanor, petty offense, minor traffic not involving death.

Perhaps you are watching the wrong news, as numerous right leaning media have been claiming closer to what you indicate, but that is not real and not reflected in the law.

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, JoDoe27 said:

Anyone step in to correct me here but my understanding goes….

Yes escorts can legally exist and work and charge for their time. That time does not include sex. They can accompany you events or just hanging out, whatever they deem is companionship but the moment sex enters the equation after you’ve paid for their companionship it then flips to prostitution. I’m certain argument could be made about chemistry and things progress naturally to sex. It doesn’t matter how many times it get stated in ads , messages, or even boards “whatever happens between consenting adults” will not hold up. This is where language has made things complicated and tried to skirt legality but that’s the general answer.

The best I can tell is @JessicaJonesing is getting around it by going the content route. In that while you’re still paying her what you’re creating is porn with the potential purpose of being used personally or uploaded to some site. In essence you’re a paid actor. 

Some cities - Springs for one - it is legal to escort with no sex involved.  But there is a license or permit that is required for it to be legal.  With requirements for keeping log of clients, charges etc.  Guessing they have not issued many except maybe COSLadies.

[JessicaJonesing]

5 hours ago, JoDoe27 said:

The best I can tell is @JessicaJonesing is getting around it by going the content route. In that while you’re still paying her what you’re creating is porn with the potential purpose of being used personally or uploaded to some site. In essence you’re a paid actor. 

To clarify, I'm not "getting around" anything -- that would mean I have intent to break the law. I do not.

1. Colorado, state-wide, escorting is legal with a permit. Failure to obtain that permit is a petty offense.
2. I'm a licensed massage therapist, but I do not offer that nude, as it would violate the code of conduct. So you can meet me for nude, oiled-up, whatever you want to call it, but I only offer CRS 12.35.5-110 legal alternative methods. If you find enlightenment from touching me touching you while I'm nude, more power to you. Free the nipple and all that!
3. I do not offer sex for money, and I do not intend to circumnavigate the law. I offer artistic content production -- yes, porn actress -- with the intent to distrubute. I really do, but even pornhub requires men to upload their IDs, and all but a few balk after meeting -- with very good reason.
4. My contact form is a binding agreement, and it states it requires your real name and occupation, and that you agree you're approaching me with so-called clean hands. Yes, literally is nice, but in regards to the law, lying about your name and intent (by lying about occupation) you're approaching me with unclean hands and then you are soliciting for prostitution. Meaning, LEOs can't commit crimes to force you into committing crimes, in this case they'd be soliciting prostitution with unclean hands. Without qualified immunity any more.
5. Responding to "sexts" is an admission of intent to commit sex acts, if you then ask for rates, it's an admission of prostitution. It's a crime.

@Mike940370 yeah I missed the parts about cashapp drama, sorry if that's happened to you, sucks. A thousand curses upon scammer women. Bitches, all of them.

What I meant, in my case, my adverts and site clearly state rates on my contact form -- you have to choose a rate/duration/service to submit it. So men that message me:

"Rates? Location? How about now?"

I just ignore. It's nothing personal, just don't want the drama of any implied intent to break the law. Or deal with the wankers who want to, well, wank while sexting and then vanish.

 

A separate issue is required kinks. I've had creative gentleman, who verified via my form, then ask if I would look at (a link to a porn video), and if I enjoyed watching it. Nothing more said, or requested. If I respond "lovely viewing, would you like to watch it together" then we make an appointment.

TO THE POINT OF THIS THREAD: YES, IF YOU SEND ANYTHING MORE THAN A FEW TEXTS TO ARRANGE A DAY/TIME TO MEET AFTER FOLLOWING WHATEVER VERIFICATION PROTOCOL THE PROVIDER REQUIRES, YOU SHOULD OFFER TO PAY A "FANTASY SEXTING" RATE. Ask politely if it can be applied to an in-person meeting. More flies with honey and all that...

[ReallyReally Small- Banned]

Thank you.  Good tips here.

[gr8owl]

On 9/6/2022 at 10:47 AM, Really Really Really Small said:

Thank you.  Good tips here.

Number three (four?) rises.  Hilarious.

[ReallyReally Small- Banned]

5 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Number three (four?) rises.  Hilarious.

3 or 4?  No, no...just looking for 1.

[sunshinelovely]

On 9/2/2022 at 9:55 PM, JessicaJonesing said:

To clarify, I'm not "getting around" anything -- that would mean I have intent to break the law. I do not.

1. Colorado, state-wide, escorting is legal with a permit. Failure to obtain that permit is a petty offense.
2. I'm a licensed massage therapist, but I do not offer that nude, as it would violate the code of conduct. So you can meet me for nude, oiled-up, whatever you want to call it, but I only offer CRS 12.35.5-110 legal alternative methods. If you find enlightenment from touching me touching you while I'm nude, more power to you. Free the nipple and all that!
3. I do not offer sex for money, and I do not intend to circumnavigate the law. I offer artistic content production -- yes, porn actress -- with the intent to distrubute. I really do, but even pornhub requires men to upload their IDs, and all but a few balk after meeting -- with very good reason.
4. My contact form is a binding agreement, and it states it requires your real name and occupation, and that you agree you're approaching me with so-called clean hands. Yes, literally is nice, but in regards to the law, lying about your name and intent (by lying about occupation) you're approaching me with unclean hands and then you are soliciting for prostitution. Meaning, LEOs can't commit crimes to force you into committing crimes, in this case they'd be soliciting prostitution with unclean hands. Without qualified immunity any more.
5. Responding to "sexts" is an admission of intent to commit sex acts, if you then ask for rates, it's an admission of prostitution. It's a crime.

@Mike940370 yeah I missed the parts about cashapp drama, sorry if that's happened to you, sucks. A thousand curses upon scammer women. Bitches, all of them.

What I meant, in my case, my adverts and site clearly state rates on my contact form -- you have to choose a rate/duration/service to submit it. So men that message me:

"Rates? Location? How about now?"

I just ignore. It's nothing personal, just don't want the drama of any implied intent to break the law. Or deal with the wankers who want to, well, wank while sexting and then vanish.

 

A separate issue is required kinks. I've had creative gentleman, who verified via my form, then ask if I would look at (a link to a porn video), and if I enjoyed watching it. Nothing more said, or requested. If I respond "lovely viewing, would you like to watch it together" then we make an appointment.

TO THE POINT OF THIS THREAD: YES, IF YOU SEND ANYTHING MORE THAN A FEW TEXTS TO ARRANGE A DAY/TIME TO MEET AFTER FOLLOWING WHATEVER VERIFICATION PROTOCOL THE PROVIDER REQUIRES, YOU SHOULD OFFER TO PAY A "FANTASY SEXTING" RATE. Ask politely if it can be applied to an in-person meeting. More flies with honey and all that...

referring to point 1, I didn't know CO allowed permits till just now after looking it up. I know this is off topic for the OP inquiry but is it worth attaining an escort permit? any disqualifications for applying for the permit?

Edited October 3, 2022 by sunshinelovely

[JessicaJonesing]

On 10/3/2022 at 7:40 AM, sunshinelovely said:

referring to point 1, I didn't know CO allowed permits till just now after looking it up. I know this is off topic for the OP inquiry but is it worth attaining an escort permit? any disqualifications for applying for the permit?

Probably a topic better left for DM :-(

Me? Personally? It seems like a trap -- get the permit and you are, obviously, on the books and in the state database as an escort...  ...did you ever get one?

[Justjamibbw]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:22 PM, Mstermster said:

I too have been surprised about providers asking for a “deposit) etc… but being older and computer dumb, I can’t send funds electronically. Even for a provider I really want to see. So I don’t know why so many want it done that way. I try to keep my activities private. I always thought cash was king. But in today’s world I guess I’m wrong. Sending $ over the internet is traceable, that doesn’t work for me. 

With room rates so high and no guarantees in this business deposits help ensure that you are serious and intend to show up. If you are afraid of a paper trail paypal allows you to deposit cash at many stores live CVS rite aid etc by use of a barcode connected to the providers account. Also I've accepted an Amazon gift card in lieu of a deposit... there are ways around electronic payments unless you flat out just don't want to pay a deposit. In that case there are some who don't require them still. 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

10 admittedly much, she should have shut you down long before then, feeling that way about it. But this behavior is not uncommon and I'm pleased to see a TOB provider can be no different in that regard than oh...an STG or pick any fucklist.com one.

Truth is there will always be something for this particular type to be upset about and sometimes it's as simple as passing after asking the one to three questions you'll soon learn about. Why? Because they're not just entitled but angry, man-haters even. Interestingly, only this type will tell you what to do or not do with their business, that's not a business, that requires chemistry and celestial alignments to function.

Am I right or am I right? Not sorry.

Here's the good news. Perhaps more than elsewhere, there are plenty here that know the time. So go on eat the frog and be one step closer to licking the princess that understands what it takes to make it rain - customer service, with a smile, just like any real business.

[sb1212]

On 7/28/2023 at 1:55 PM, Justjamibbw said:

With room rates so high and no guarantees in this business deposits help ensure that you are serious and intend to show up. If you are afraid of a paper trail paypal allows you to deposit cash at many stores live CVS rite aid etc by use of a barcode connected to the providers account. Also I've accepted an Amazon gift card in lieu of a deposit... there are ways around electronic payments unless you flat out just don't want to pay a deposit. In that case there are some who don't require them still. 

I have no quarrel with compamions who ask for a depost. All the commonly stated justificatoons make sense.   Whether it is luck or some identifiable common trait, only one companion I have visited in the past two years has asked for a deposit.  Given her long standing excellent local reputation, many positive reviews ( and killer DDD's) I readiliy agreed....

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