Posted December 9, 2020 I used to live in the Denver metro and used to see & date ASP's/sugar babies/strippers for many years there and in my work. I stopped about five years ago due to mental health reasons. I've moved back to a small town in Pennsylvania (100k metro) to take care of my father. I had two sugar relationships which ended badly (one was actually an escort which is one reason why it ended) but now just wanting any kind of companionship and coming up empty. There has to be some kind of escort underground - my ex used social media and had many many offers, she told me she double and triple booked and always required a deposit. And there are dozens of gas trucks at all the hotels so someone's got to be taking care of these guys. But the sites I know of have virtually nothing here and I'm at least an hour and a half away from a decent metro and Philly is a few hours away. And SESTA has made things many times harder. I'm also cursed in my preferences are 30-45ish, curvy/plump/mom bod/bbw and caucasian. Travel is impossible due to my father and COVID. What I am finding is the scammers are very very good, especially since the deposit thing reduces escort seeking to a 50-100$ scratch off hoping you get lucky. I'm 0 for 6 so far and losing LOTS of money I'd rather spend on a real woman. (My budget is not that large as I'm 61 and retired). Last night I paid the deposit and got sent to a vacant house. Other than just forgetting about ever having sex again, is there any advice on how to find happiness in this life? Vanilla dating just doesnt work for me and I don't meet people organically going the escort route is really my only hope for companionship. Thanks, Dando 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2020 I can't offer much help on what you're asking, but I can say this - happiness is an 'inside job'. Start there, and do whatever it takes to go deep. All of this other stuff, while fun, is external, in my opinion. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil-anderer said: I can't offer much help on what you're asking, but I can say this - happiness is an 'inside job'. Start there, and do whatever it takes to go deep. All of this other stuff, while fun, is external, in my opinion. I have to agree with Phil! Focus on things you enjoy, that don't require other people. As long as your father needs you, you don't really have an option. Personally, porn and masturbation, have seen me through some lean times. along with Netflix, books, and Amazon prime video. Best of luck! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 10, 2020 When I'm super hungry and I find a new place that looks really good, I never put down a deposit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 10, 2020 Well the deposit thing is definitely not working for you. At least with the locals. I would never pay the deposit to begin with. The scammers are everywhere. You could save up and have a highly reviewed girl travel to you. That will cost a lot. Strippers are another possibility, if a club is close. They aren't exactly cheap either. I am sure there are at least a few local gems that are out there. The pay per play is what your looking for, like all of us here. Years ago a guy told me he would have cards made up with his burner number on them. When he would see a decent looking girl working what was minimum or close to minimum wage, he would strike up a conversation with her and give her a card. He said his rate was very low but he did get some action. I mean if she was making say $12 an hour and she got the opportunity to make 2 and a half days pay for an hour or so. Then it would be the incentive. With times as they are and the holidays coming up, more are looking to supplement their income. A stack of cards are dirt cheap. Just a thought. Who knows you might find a regular. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 10, 2020 Deposits are the "new" cash and dash. IF stg is the same in your area, it is also useless. IMHO you will either wish to import (from near by communities) a known lady OR just make plans to travel a pit. I personally try to NEVER play in my home area (also around 100K population} 'cause I had a fairly big presence there. I have no desire to become the center of attention in any way. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Alex Majors said: Well the deposit thing is definitely not working for you. At least with the locals. I would never pay the deposit to begin with. The scammers are everywhere. You could save up and have a highly reviewed girl travel to you. That will cost a lot. Strippers are another possibility, if a club is close. They aren't exactly cheap either. I am sure there are at least a few local gems that are out there. The pay per play is what your looking for, like all of us here. Years ago a guy told me he would have cards made up with his burner number on them. When he would see a decent looking girl working what was minimum or close to minimum wage, he would strike up a conversation with her and give her a card. He said his rate was very low but he did get some action. I mean if she was making say $12 an hour and she got the opportunity to make 2 and a half days pay for an hour or so. Then it would be the incentive. With times as they are and the holidays coming up, more are looking to supplement their income. A stack of cards are dirt cheap. Just a thought. Who knows you might find a regular. I almost did that the other night while on my way to another dead end. Cute pregnant girl exactly my type in the cstore. I did strike up a conversation with her and afterwards should have just said 'Would you like a sugar daddy for Christmas?". I don't meet in the wild - in the last 30 years have dated exactly two women I met that way. All else been online sites and escorts and strippers. We have one strip club here and it's kind of a joke. And in general, other than the dive clubs, 90% of the strippers aren't my type - you do get a few that are 'thicker than a snicker'. Bringing someone in, would be very expensive - I've did it before when I lived in Denver. I am actually preferring a sugar arrangement to escorting but until I find one and I mentally recover from the last two disasters it'd be nice to find someone dependable to see a few times a month. The card idea is interesting. Thanks! Dando 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 10, 2020 11 hours ago, mustang said: Deposits are the "new" cash and dash. IF stg is the same in your area, it is also useless. IMHO you will either wish to import (from near by communities) a known lady OR just make plans to travel a pit. I personally try to NEVER play in my home area (also around 100K population} 'cause I had a fairly big presence there. I have no desire to become the center of attention in any way. Yeah its stg. As stated travel nearly impossible due to my father being a fall risk. I could get a home health aide for the weekend but that'd be a significant cost too. You'd be looking at well over a stack when you summed everything up. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 11, 2020 Try the same in a town of less than 12k,..I always have to travel out of town,..and as others have said, the deposit is the new cash & dash.. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 11, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 11:50 AM, Vassago said: Call me Ishmael... OK, you are Ishmael! Can I be Ahab? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 11, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 4:08 AM, Phil-anderer said: I can't offer much help on what you're asking, but I can say this - happiness is an 'inside job'. Start there, and do whatever it takes to go deep. All of this other stuff, while fun, is external, in my opinion. Agreed 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2020 In a town of 100k people, I would bet dollars to donuts that there a few ladies working. The trick is to find them. If you use STG or one of the other sites, use due diligence and vet them thoroughly. If there is a gentlemen’s club in you town, go there and get yourself known and then you can start asking around and hopefully get some positive feedback. Maybe talk to taxi drivers or rideshare drivers. If you have P411, use that. If you don’t have a P411, consider joining, 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, ilovewomen said: In a town of 100k people, I would bet dollars to donuts that there a few ladies working. The trick is to find them. If you use STG or one of the other sites, use due diligence and vet them thoroughly. If there is a gentlemen’s club in you town, go there and get yourself known and then you can start asking around and hopefully get some positive feedback. Maybe talk to taxi drivers or rideshare drivers. If you have P411, use that. If you don’t have a P411, consider joining, I had thought of the gentlemens' club too (we have one very strange club here), but might be a big investment in lap dances to gather intel. that idea is shotdown here by the closing all indoor dining and clubs starting tomorrow. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2020 Unfortunately in a small town, it is mostly word of mouth. Try registering on a couple message boards for your general area. You might find some useful information. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 13, 2020 Is there an AMP in your area? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) On 12/11/2020 at 9:00 AM, Igno said: Try the same in a town of less than 12k,..I always have to travel out of town,..and as others have said, the deposit is the new cash & dash.. What's so annoying is years ago, yes, I was in major metros, but had no trouble finding company, and I can only think of twice when the escort experience was not great, one was a girl who did a huge upsell but I did eventually get what I wanted from her, and another stole my wallet ("I can't find my phone") in Bakersfield CA. The great times, low triple digits. Edited December 13, 2020 by dando.shaft Added stuff 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, sb1212 said: Is there an AMP in your area? I think so, but that is not at all the experience I seek. I want GFE not AMP. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 13, 2020 9 hours ago, ilovewomen said: Unfortunately in a small town, it is mostly word of mouth. Try registering on a couple message boards for your general area. You might find some useful information. I've been on one of them in the past and it's useless for Pennsylvania; even the major metros have no more than a few posts a month. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 13, 2020 Wish I could offer more advice for you. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 14, 2020 21 hours ago, dando.shaft said: I think so, but that is not at all the experience I seek. I want GFE not AMP. Honestly, unless you have some amazing luck, you'll have to bring someone to you, and probably pay a deposit. Good luck! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
