Posted July 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Scarlett Dayne said: Maybe we providers should all add this "Complaint Form" to our websites for any issues that arise concerning advertising lol OK I included my complaint in your Box..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 On 5/11/2016 at 7:48 PM, Kashmir said: Good point Bit, it is about communicating with the provider about her ads. Preferably privately. Frankly, a full body sensual massage is a ton of work! I don't charge extra for services, but if I were to charge extra it would be for FBSM. I save massages for the special men in my life. Massages are extremely intimate to me. The FBSM providers still have to shower, get pretty, drive to the location or provide a location, and spend an hour rubbing on you. Most likely with some sort of happy ending. Some even offer prostate massage. My finger going in any man's ass is sex to me Many of these ladies work naked or in barely anything. From a time aspect, maybe less time having to full on shower between clients and getting all dolled up again. Maybe not. Sure escorts have more of a legal risk, and yes we go all the way. That means traditionally a higher rate. Does it mean the FBSM ladies have an easier job, HELL NO! I think we escorts have it much easier. If our client is some fat hairy ugly guy, at least we can go doggy style and shut our eyes. The ladies that offer FBSM have to look at that nastiness and hope their fingers don't get knotted in their clients back hair. All this time I thought all the ladies wanted me to do it doggy style because I was the best at it. That sound was my bubble bursting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Kaduk said: OK I included my complaint in your Box..... FYI... Most piggy banks have a little rubber stopper on the bottom of the belly for easy access inside the hole lol. That way you can put your stuff back in the slot over and over again lol You are one Funny Man!! Your sense of humor is defiant yet brilliant. Was there anything else that you wanted to put in my box... errr... I mean in that box? LOL ha ha My mind is a dangerous playground when left unsupervised. Management has taken the day off lol hee hee Edited July 10, 2016 by Scarlett Dayne 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, time4fun said: You should be lucky enough to spend time with Scarlet, Ultimately, you purchase time with a companion and if she chooses to touch your soul or your body, that's up to her. [snip] Thank you for your kind words. I prefer touching your body. If I touch your soul then that's an added bonus. But... Touching a man's body is always waayyy more Fun Edited July 11, 2016 by Scarlett Dayne 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11, 2016 I advertise in the bodyrub section, and I give the option of FS...just the pricing is different depending on what you want at the end. Just because a lady chooses to advertise there, she now can't provide MORE bang for your buck?!?! This is a new one! If the lady is giving you a Full Body Sensual Massage( which is what FBSM stands for) whether you get a HJ, BJ, or FS at the end should be up to both the client or provider including the price it is. It is still in the right category, and to me, not in the wrong. I mean, correct me here IF I am wrong, but I was told that escort package is different from bodyrub in that there is little to no bodyrub whereas in the bodyrub the lady gives you a bodyrub with the finish(whatever that may be). Hope I didn't confuse anyone here. lol! xoxo, Samantha Sheppard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, SultryKitten said: I advertise in the bodyrub section, and I give the option of FS...just the pricing is different depending on what you want at the end. Just because a lady chooses to advertise there, she now can't provide MORE bang for your buck?!?! This is a new one! If the lady is giving you a Full Body Sensual Massage( which is what FBSM stands for) whether you get a HJ, BJ, or FS at the end should be up to both the client or provider including the price it is. It is still in the right category, and to me, not in the wrong. I mean, correct me here IF I am wrong, but I was told that escort package is different from bodyrub in that there is little to no bodyrub whereas in the bodyrub the lady gives you a bodyrub with the finish(whatever that may be). Hope I didn't confuse anyone here. lol! xoxo, Samantha Sheppard Best said EVER! Agree agree agree 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 9 hours ago, SultryKitten said: I advertise in the bodyrub section, and I give the option of FS...just the pricing is different depending on what you want at the end. Just because a lady chooses to advertise there, she now can't provide MORE bang for your buck?!?! This is a new one! If the lady is giving you a Full Body Sensual Massage( which is what FBSM stands for) whether you get a HJ, BJ, or FS at the end should be up to both the client or provider including the price it is. It is still in the right category, and to me, not in the wrong. I mean, correct me here IF I am wrong, but I was told that escort package is different from bodyrub in that there is little to no bodyrub whereas in the bodyrub the lady gives you a bodyrub with the finish(whatever that may be). Hope I didn't confuse anyone here. lol! xoxo, Samantha Sheppard The confusion is that FBSM is like a box of chocolates. Sometimes it does NOT include a Happy Ending, sometimes it's self service, and seldom does it include FS. Those who prefer FS are not likely to look there. If I was a massage, I'm more likely to visit a CMT for way less $s. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 Do you question prices about anything else? Why do that, price is the price.. You argue about gas prices with the store clerk? Pay or find something else. And the provider can post wherever they want. It's not your business 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Devilsindetail said: Do you question prices about anything else? Why do that, price is the price.. You argue about gas prices with the store clerk? Pay or find something else. And the provider can post wherever they want. It's not your business Do you pay the asking price for a house? A car? New or used, doesn't matter. How about that antique chair? Not everything in this world is 'fixed price'. And that doesn't even get into the subject of 'options'. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Do you pay the asking price for a house? A car? New or used, doesn't matter. How about that antique chair? Not everything in this world is 'fixed price'. And that doesn't even get into the subject of 'options'. Stop with this. A posted rate is the ladies fixed price. We get it by now, you don't like pay full price and put your own value on things. So many things are a fixed price in this world, why do you continually ignore that? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 8 hours ago, Bit Banger said: The confusion is that FBSM is like a box of chocolates. Sometimes it does NOT include a Happy Ending, sometimes it's self service, and seldom does it include FS. Those who prefer FS are not likely to look there. If I was a massage, I'm more likely to visit a CMT for way less $s. This is mostly true, but every lady runs her business differently. Classifying us in the same circle is just bad class. Every lady does this business in her own little way, and prices her self in a manner that fits her needs/wants. What it comes down to is if a lady prices and provides things you don't like...go elsewhere. Us ladies shouldn't have to explain our reasoning...it is nobody's business. There are SO many fish in the sea. Xoxo, Samantha Sheppard 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Do you pay the asking price for a house? A car? New or used, doesn't matter. How about that antique chair? Not everything in this world is 'fixed price'. And that doesn't even get into the subject of 'options'. Apples to Oranges. Do you negotiate at the grocery store? Gas station? Burger King? If an escort posts a price, and the client questions it, in his first communication, often the client has just lowered his chances of getting any appointment at all. Negotiating, after a price has been published, is foolish, in my eyes. If she says $xxx per hour and you offer $xxxxx for two hours, you've started negotiating. Many small business owners, including me, will just say "no", and stop communication with you. You could ask "how much for two hours?", though. Lots of people think they are "master negotiators", when in fact, they're just a pain in the ass. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Do you pay the asking price for a house? A car? New or used, doesn't matter. How about that antique chair? Not everything in this world is 'fixed price'. And that doesn't even get into the subject of 'options'. Not the same. It's insulting to question someone's worth. A. You look like a cheapskate and B. It's just an asshole move. As I said before. Price doesn't work for you move on. Why should anyone have to negotiate with you? If you start every transaction that way good luck. Maybe develop a better relationship and reap the benefits later. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, pfunk said: ... If an escort posts a price, and the client questions it, in his first communication... Negotiating, after a price has been published, is foolish, in my eyes... First off, Lucy & Pfunk, you have taken my response out of context. I was replying to - 7 hours ago, Devilsindetail said: Do you question prices about anything else? Why do that, price is the price.. - by listing some very specific instances where price is usually negotiable. A direct answer to the question. Second. what do you call it when the advertised price is $120/hr (for example) but after you're naked she wants another $50 for HJ, $100 for BJ, or another $200 for FS (on top of the entry fee). IMHE, if you decline any of these the massage becomes a lame 3G. Then there's the $/hr vs. $/VIP hr; what's the difference? Guys aren't the only ones to initiate negotiations. Third, you, as individuals, may not negotiate , but that does not mean that everyone else in your respective industries follow the same rules. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Devilsindetail said: Not the same. It's insulting to question someone's worth. ... Who said anything about questioning someone's worth? The differences between the market value of someone's services and their worth as a person has been hashed out before. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, SultryKitten said: This is mostly true, but every lady runs her business differently. Classifying us in the same circle is just bad class. Every lady does this business in her own little way, and prices her self in a manner that fits her needs/wants. ... Of course every lady runs her business her way. Just as I'm free to use my own selection criteria. BTW, my avoidance of FBMS ads has little to do with price: 1) I am usually looking for more, & 2) over the years it has been my experience that FS in the FBMS section is usually a bait&switch situation. If you don't like that characterization, take it up with the providers who created that impression. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, Bit Banger said: First off, Lucy & Pfunk, you have taken my response out of context. I was replying to - - by listing some very specific instances where price is usually negotiable. A direct answer to the question. Second. what do you call it when the advertised price is $120/hr (for example) but after you're naked she wants another $50 for HJ, $100 for BJ, or another $200 for FS (on top of the entry fee). IMHE, if you decline any of these the massage becomes a lame 3G. Then there's the $/hr vs. $/VIP hr; what's the difference? Guys aren't the only ones to initiate negotiations. Third, you, as individuals, may not negotiate , but that does not mean that everyone else in your respective industries follow the same rules. Well I guess you either can leave because you are not interested. Or negotiate at that point. If your going to hobby you always take a risk. You could call the provider police or fill out said complaint box as posted earlier 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, Bit Banger said: Who said anything about questioning someone's worth? The differences between the market value of someone's services and their worth as a person has been hashed out before. Someone sets a price for their time, then you question that price. That is questioning what someone seems that their time is worth. Then you say "yeah but.." If your talking about once you get there things change, that's something you deal with when it arises 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 Did you bother to read your own question? Here! I'll quote it with some emphasis. 8 hours ago, Devilsindetail said: Do you question prices about anything else? To which i replied: 7 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Do you pay the asking price for a house? A car? New or used, doesn't matter. How about that antique chair? Not everything in this world is 'fixed price'. And that doesn't even get into the subject of 'options'. That looked like a rather specific answer to your question. But where did my response mention escorts? Please, if i did point it out. I was merely trying to refute the notion that everything in this world is fixed price. Any extrapolation on your part is yours. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Bit Banger said: Of course every lady runs her business her way. Just as I'm free to use my own selection criteria. BTW, my avoidance of FBMS ads has little to do with price: 1) I am usually looking for more, & 2) over the years it has been my experience that FS in the FBMS section is usually a bait&switch situation. If you don't like that characterization, take it up with the providers who created that impression. I could say the same for guys that give us certain impressions as well, but how well would that work. You just learn to make rules to offset those issues, screen, and let reviews and your reputation let the guys know what to expect. Same goes for guys if they want to play. :-) xoxo, Samantha Sheppard 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 16, 2016 On 7/12/2016 at 8:16 AM, pfunk said: Apples to Oranges. Do you negotiate at the grocery store? Gas station? Burger King? If an escort posts a price, and the client questions it, in his first communication, often the client has just lowered his chances of getting any appointment at all. Negotiating, after a price has been published, is foolish, in my eyes. If she says $xxx per hour and you offer $xxxxx for two hours, you've started negotiating. Many small business owners, including me, will just say "no", and stop communication with you. You could ask "how much for two hours?", though. Lots of people think they are "master negotiators", when in fact, they're just a pain in the ass. Best Answer! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 16, 2016 On 7/12/2016 at 8:50 AM, Bit Banger said: First off, Lucy & Pfunk, you have taken my response out of context. I was replying to - - by listing some very specific instances where price is usually negotiable. A direct answer to the question. Second. what do you call it when the advertised price is $120/hr (for example) but after you're naked she wants another $50 for HJ, $100 for BJ, or another $200 for FS (on top of the entry fee). IMHE, if you decline any of these the massage becomes a lame 3G. Then there's the $/hr vs. $/VIP hr; what's the difference? Guys aren't the only ones to initiate negotiations. Third, you, as individuals, may not negotiate , but that does not mean that everyone else in your respective industries follow the same rules. Given your posting history it's hardly an unreasonable assumption. You answered his question with a question and since the conversation leaned towards escort rates it seems only logical to assume that you were referring to escorts. He asked you if you negotiated the prices of items/services that are set, which you conveniently ignored. So not a direct answer. You have a long history of pro-negotiating a ladies rates, why is this time any different? Stop speaking for my industry. Stop trying to enforce a behavior, that you have been told many times and not just by me, that is unacceptable. Even the noob saw through your failed attempts of subtlety. Just give it a rest. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 16, 2016 On July 12, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Lucy Kitten said: ... So many things are a fixed price in this world, why do you continually ignore that? And many prices in this world are negotiated. Why do you ignore that? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Bit Banger said: And many prices in this world are negotiated. Why do you ignore that? You are correct in the fact that many things in life are negotiable. However... Not all providers are open to or appreciate a man who tries to haggle their posted donation rates. Why would we post something we didn't actually want? With that said, you do run the risk of upsetting or offended a provider if you attempt to ask for a price reduction. Then again you may find yourself fortunate to receive said price reduction you ask for. Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get... You ask not, you receive not. My personal opinion is this... If you ask for a discounted rate, from me personally, I just automatically save your number into my DNS List (Do Not See). When you first call/text I perceive you as an asset or profit, BUT... when you ask for a lower rate I now perceive you as a liability or loss. Coming from an extremely heavy corporate business background I see most things in life as an asset/profit (something Good) OR as a liability/loss (something to avoid). I have a painting on my wall that reads... "Use it when it's to your advantage. Abandon it when it becomes your limitation." I live by this. It does not mean to use and abuse people/things to my advantage. It simply means if something is an advantage then I use it to its fullest. BUT... If something becomes a limitation/liability I choose to let it go, and move on to something more profitable/good/advantageous. I love to swim in Good, and I love to run away from things that are not. Men who respect my choices, decisions, options, activities and posted rates get sooooo much more out of me than men who try to deceive me, lie to me or finagle the system in a way that takes away from me in order to give more to themselves. Simply Put... You get back what you give out. (Cycle of Return: Give and Take - Don't break the cycle) I am definitely NOT telling you to stop asking for discounted rates. You have Free Will to do as you please while on this Earth. I am just giving you some background information as to why you may want to re-think and rearrange your negotiating tactics. We, providers, are not a covert military operation, corporate business take over deal, or a law enforcement plea bargain before going to trial. We are women who are probably taking care of more people and things than you may be aware. Example: Both of my children were in a horrifc car accident back in February. They were driving out here to Colorado with friends when the driver lost control of the car on I-70 flipping the car 15+ times. My daughter was in the backseat laying down asleep with her seat belt off. She was ejected from the car, and thrown 40 feet from the car. My son was in the front passenger seat wearing his seat belt. His side of the car receive the MOST damage. The driver was ejected from the car, and walked away without a scratch. Both of my children had to be life flighted to two different hospitals in Denver (30 minutes from each other) because of the severity of their injuries. My son was in a coma. He broke his back in two places, crushed his jaw in 5 places, crushed his temple, crushed his nose, his face was severly sliced open and he had literally bit off his tongue. My daughter's back was crushed and massively broken in 7 places. Her knee was so severly injured it was if the leg had been ripped off her body. They both under went massive/lengthy emergency surgeries to repair everything. They both spent 3 weeks in ICU. Then they both spent months here at my place learning to sit up, eat, talk, hobble, etc again. (Probably now explains why I was Outcall only for a few months lol) Now they are finally back home going to physical therapy, and making a full recovery. My son just went back to work for his first day yesterday. My daughter still can not work because she is still learning how to walk again. Praise be to Jesus for their miraculous lives being spared. If my daughter had been in her seat belt she would have been killed. If my son had not been wearing his seat belt he would have been killed. My daughter was supposed to be paralyzed, wheel chair bound and not be able to use the bathroom again on her own. My son was supposed to have severe brain damage, and not be able to take care of himself any longer. I never for one moment bought into anything the DRs told me, and I did NOT let one word of what they told me in the beginning come out of my mouth to anyone. I just believed they would be fully healed through the power of Jesus. Jesus is mighty, powerful and to be praised for sparing them their lives, their brain and their ability to walk again!! I will always give Him credit for their miraculous healing that should have never been humanly possible!! Both of my kids were sound asleep when the accident happened. They do not remember even one thing related to the actual accident except for when they woke up injured. Thank God for that! The driver has had extreme PTSD, nightmares and flashbacks every day since because he was awake the whole time, and saw everything. He was also filled with mind torturing guilt because of how badly my kids were injured, and their lives so horrifically altered. God's Divine way of allowing that accident to happen at just the perfect time allowed my kid's lives and memories to be spared. I am forever grateful and thankful for all He has done for my family. Why the driver walked away without a scratch is still a mystery to me, but I suspect God knows... and that's good enough for me. I forgave that young man the day of the accident, and have repeatedly told him I forgive him. He said it has immensely helped with his burden of guilt. There was nothing that would change even one moment of that situation, and I knew in my heart if I did not forgive him I would be hindering those miracles of healing for each of my children. Forgiveness is vitally important in everything in our Lives! I don't question anything anymore because rarely does anything make sense or seem fair. But... I know and believe from my own personal experience that God works all things out for Good in our lives... if we surrender everthing to Him and allow Him to find a way to turn them for Good. Because of this accident there has been so much Good , Healing, Change and more Miracles that have come out of this senseless accident for me and both of my children. It is almost unfathomable to reflect on all He has done for us since that frightful day in February. God is truly a Magnificent Mystery, and I love Him more than anything! All I know to do in every horrible, negative or fearful situations is... I just give Thanks in all circumstances. It really works. I'll stake my Life on it. I 'VE BEEN PAYING BOTH THEIR RENT and OTHER BILLS, IT IS EXPENSIVE TO PAY ALL THAT PLUS MY OWN SET OF BILLS AND NEEDS. [snip] A lot of these women, especially younger providers, have kids they are taking care of possibly with little to no child support or help. Might be why they entered into this business in the first place... to adequately support a family. So maybe you can see why I do not entertain anyone who contacts me asking for a discounted rate on my services. To me it says, "Hey I don't give two shits what you want or need out of life. All I care about is me, and I'm going to get what I want no matter if it hurts/affects anyone else or not." I can NOT stand people like this. I want to get as far away from people like this as I possibly can. Simply Put... You get out of Life what you give back to Life. Do you want to be a Blessing, or a drain on someone's Life? Me personally... 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