Avoiding Entrapment

[BadLeroyBrown]

This has always been my biggest fear in the hobby with that being said I have in my travels met women who seemed to have their ways of discovering who was real vs fake! With all that being said you go about meeting a woman, and then she gives you some odd request like show me your chest, or touch my hand, I feel like this somewhat eases tensions that the person you are dealing with is not in anyway affiliated with LE, but do you ever truly know for sure? At what point can you be like "okay, guard is officially down"?  The faster you get past the formalities, the faster you can get to the good stuff. 

Edited April 26, 2016 by BadLeroyBrown

[Bit Banger]

3 minutes ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

This has always been my biggest fear in the hobby with that being said I have in my travels met women who seemed to have their ways of discovering who was real vs fake! With all that being said you go about meeting a woman, and then she gives you some odd request like show me your chest, or touch my hand, I feel like this somewhat eases tensions that the person you are dealing with is not in anyway affiliated with LE, but do you ever truly know for sure? At what point can you be like "okay, guard is officially down"?  The faster you get past the formalities, the faster you can get to the good stuff. 

The sad truth is that all of those "LE tests" are useless.  LE can and will engage in these behaviors.  Entrapment standards also vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

[BadLeroyBrown]

7 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

The sad truth is that all of those "LE tests" are useless.  LE can and will engage in these behaviors.  Entrapment standards also vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

This is exactly what I was afraid to hear, lol! All that show me your a $$, hop on one foot bark like a dog crap was absolutely meaningless... haha!

[Demi-1616]

Well it depends on where you are, each county has their own specific about those laws. Some counties actually don't allow physical contact and such. 

Something that works well is if both parties agree on a "dance" or "striptease" which is perfectly legal-- but LE won't actually have lingerie underneath and whatnot. 

It is so hard to tell though, I get sketched out easy too haha 

[daaacz]

Near the top of the page you're reading, there's a link entitled "Reviews." Click on it.

All snark aside, though, that seems to be the best way to avoid misadventure. If enough reviews have been posted about a provider, then there's a good chance you will be safe. I also feel that reading posts will give me some insight into a person. There is at least one lady that I plan to visit in the future based almost exclusively on her forum posts.

Edited April 26, 2016 by daaacz
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[lurkernomore]

How about just never talk about $$$

[BadLeroyBrown]

1 hour ago, daaacz said:

Near the top of the page you're reading, there's a link entitled "Reviews." Click on it.

All snark aside, though, that seems to be the best way to avoid misadventure. If enough reviews have been posted about a provider, then there's a good chance you will be safe. I also feel that reading posts will give me some insight into a person. There is at least one lady that I plan to visit in the future based almost exclusively on her forum posts.

I do feel that reviews can be helpful, but as always ymmv, not to mention who is to say the boards can be infiltrated. Like providers have been busted posting reviews for themselves, but who is to say LE cannot do the same?

[BadLeroyBrown]

50 minutes ago, lurkernomore said:

How about just never talk about $$$

Agreed, I've gotten very good with this! I feel sorry for the women though in the sense that I place the donation, and we get to business and they never even look at the amount. They don't know if I put down 200 or 2 dollars, unless they have a eagle eyes or a procedure I'm unaware of. I met one girl once who had a guy slide her some counterfeit money, and luckily she realized it while he was still there and handled it accordingly, but yeah... I agree never discuss money.

[daaacz]

20 minutes ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

I do feel that reviews can be helpful, but as always ymmv, not to mention who is to say the boards can be infiltrated. Like providers have been busted posting reviews for themselves, but who is to say LE cannot do the same?

I totally agree.  Nothing's perfect. Back when I was just doing research--before I took the plunge--I read an article or blog post that stated 11 reviews was the magic number to look for. The author figured that a provider with that many reviews must be legit. It's just an arbitrary number, but it's but it's a guideline.  I don't necessarily stick to that number, but I do my research. I make sure the phone number isn't obviously an LE #, check pics to be sure they are only used in one place at a time and that they appear to belong to the provider I'm researching, read reviews and forum posts, and check out email addresses. Thank God for search engines.

[BadLeroyBrown]

7 minutes ago, daaacz said:

I make sure the phone number isn't obviously an LE #, check pics to be sure they are only used in one place at a time and that they appear to belong to the provider I'm researching, read reviews and forum posts, and check out email addresses. Thank God for search engines.

Sir, I agree... about the usefulness of search engines in this line hobbying, but please enlighten me! How does one confirm whether a number is or isn't LE? I've often thought Internet searches might expose that, but I just assumed they would utilize burner numbers just as I do to make calls/text.

Edited April 26, 2016 by BadLeroyBrown

[daaacz]

Just now, BadLeroyBrown said:

How does one confirm whether a number is or isn't LE?

I haven't seen it often, but sometimes when I Google a phone # it will actually come up as SomeCity Sheriff's Department in the search results. I only see it in maybe 1% of my searches--maybe even less, but it pops up from time to time.  It's easy for them to pick up the low-hanging fruit because a huge number of us are not very security conscious and many more have no idea what to look for or how to do it.  I'm not close to an authority on the matter, but I know how to read search results.  Some people don't realize it, but there are words AFTER the link to the website that actually describe the results in greater detail (dang, there I go getting snarky and sarcastic again). Often, you don't even have to click on the search result to know what you're going to get.

[BadLeroyBrown]

1 minute ago, daaacz said:

I haven't seen it often, but sometimes when I Google a phone # it will actually come up as SomeCity Sheriff's Department in the search results. I only see it in maybe 1% of my searches--maybe even less, but it pops up from time to time.  It's easy for them to pick up the low-hanging fruit because a huge number of us are not very security conscious and many more have no idea what to look for or how to do it.  I'm not close to an authority on the matter, but I know how to read search results.  Some people don't realize it, but there are words AFTER the link to the website that actually describe the results in greater detail (dang, there I go getting snarky and sarcastic again). Often, you don't even have to click on the search result to know what you're going to get.

Good to know appreciate it bro!

[BadLeroyBrown]

4 minutes ago, daaacz said:

I haven't seen it often, but sometimes when I Google a phone # it will actually come up as SomeCity Sheriff's Department in the search results. I only see it in maybe 1% of my searches--maybe even less, but it pops up from time to time.  It's easy for them to pick up the low-hanging fruit because a huge number of us are not very security conscious and many more have no idea what to look for or how to do it.  I'm not close to an authority on the matter, but I know how to read search results.  Some people don't realize it, but there are words AFTER the link to the website that actually describe the results in greater detail (dang, there I go getting snarky and sarcastic again). Often, you don't even have to click on the search result to know what you're going to get.

Funny you mention that cause I was researching a PYT this evening and her number was from outta town, typed it in Google and found multiple listing from outta state that all pretty much utilize the same number, but different pictures, etc. Not sure if it's LE or not, but definitely sketchy and leads me to believe that even if she isn't LE she might be a ripoff, and so that is enough to keep me to steer clear.

[BigBaldBlk]

6 hours ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

...At what point can you be like "okay, guard is officially down"?  The faster you get past the formalities, the faster you can get to the good stuff. 

You can let your guard down after you leave her incall and some Colorado investigative reporter doesn't bust in the room and ask you to have a seat (sarcasm just a 'lil).  Truth is you never know if she's 100% legit, just as she can never be sure clients she sees are 100% legit.  All one can do is lessen your risks when you see a provider you like. 

Reviews are a GREAT resource to use;  and I've met several dynamite ladies who don't allow reviews.  I share as much info as I was willing to share and gather as much as I can from her website, ads, social media and back channel with other gents.  I think anyone's risk goes to how much do you want to play?

[BadLeroyBrown]

1 minute ago, BigBaldBlk said:

You can let your guard down after you leave her incall and some Colorado investigative reporter doesn't bust in the room and ask you to have a seat (sarcasm just a 'lil).  Truth is you never know if she's 100% legit, just as she can never be sure clients she sees are 100% legit.  All one can do is lessen your risks when you see a provider you like. 

Reviews are a GREAT resource to use;  and I've met several dynamite ladies who don't allow reviews.  I share as much info as I was willing to share and gather as much as I can from her website, ads, social media and back channel with other gents.  I think anyone's risk goes to how much do you want to play?

Phenomenal advice... I concur!

[Lucy Kitten]

1 hour ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

Agreed, I've gotten very good with this! I feel sorry for the women though in the sense that I place the donation, and we get to business and they never even look at the amount. They don't know if I put down 200 or 2 dollars, unless they have a eagle eyes or a procedure I'm unaware of. I met one girl once who had a guy slide her some counterfeit money, and luckily she realized it while he was still there and handled it accordingly, but yeah... I agree never discuss money.

You could always make it more obvious the amount your putting down. If the fee is $200 then two hundred dollar bills are easy to see. Talking about money is never the issue it's what the money buys that's the problem.

[BadLeroyBrown]

2 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

You could always make it more obvious the amount your putting down. If the fee is $200 then two hundred dollar bills are easy to see. Talking about money is never the issue it's what the money buys that's the problem.

So I mean in my opinion it seems as though the girls treat the donation as though it's not even there, but maybe they know exactly what is there, and I just have no idea they are already aware.... could totally be the case Lucy!!! 

[gr8owl]

5 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

You could always make it more obvious the amount your putting down. If the fee is $200 then two hundred dollar bills are easy to see. Talking about money is never the issue it's what the money buys that's the problem.

You can recognize by sight 200 one dollar bills!!??  Damn Lucy, you are good.  LOL

(Sorry, just could not resist)

[Buddy Glass]

46 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

You can recognize by sight 200 one dollar bills!!??  Damn Lucy, you are good.  LOL

(Sorry, just could not resist)

Man, I wonder what a provider would do if you did try to pay that way...

[BadLeroyBrown]

10 hours ago, Buddy Glass said:

Man, I wonder what a provider would do if you did try to pay that way...

You could always make it rain on them....

 

Wait, flashback to my nights in the smoke filled galleys of PT's on evans.

Edited April 27, 2016 by BadLeroyBrown

[Lucy Kitten]

10 hours ago, Buddy Glass said:

Man, I wonder what a provider would do if you did try to pay that way...

Cash is cash and you take it. I have had that happen before. The gents job was tip based so it was all ones and fives.

[Lucy Kitten]

11 hours ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

So I mean in my opinion it seems as though the girls treat the donation as though it's not even there, but maybe they know exactly what is there, and I just have no idea they are already aware.... could totally be the case Lucy!!! 

LOL you really think a lady is unaware of the cash that is put down?

[BadLeroyBrown]

1 minute ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Cash is cash and you take it. I have had that happen before. The gents job was tip based so it was all ones and fives.

Lucy, have you ever run into the counterfeit money issue I mentioned in a previous post?

[BadLeroyBrown]

1 minute ago, Lucy Kitten said:

LOL you really think a lady is unaware of the cash that is put down?

I figured as much, you ladies are crafty! (Napoleon Dynamite voice) Guys like girls with great skills, bow-staff skills, nunchuck skills... 

[amcbl1]

On 4/26/2016 at 3:24 PM, daaacz said:

I haven't seen it often, but sometimes when I Google a phone # it will actually come up as SomeCity Sheriff's Department in the search results. I only see it in maybe 1% of my searches--maybe even less, but it pops up from time to time.  It's easy for them to pick up the low-hanging fruit because a huge number of us are not very security conscious and many more have no idea what to look for or how to do it.  I'm not close to an authority on the matter, but I know how to read search results.  Some people don't realize it, but there are words AFTER the link to the website that actually describe the results in greater detail (dang, there I go getting snarky and sarcastic again). Often, you don't even have to click on the search result to know what you're going to get.

Sometimes I wonder about Google search for phone #'s. I remember a provider from a few years ago whose # came up with a rural county sheriff's department in the search results, yet she had several positive reviews from legitimate reviewers who had posted multiple previous reviews. Me being the paranoid type never saw this provider.

I've also seen #'s that seem to indicate they come from legitimate businesses i.e. painting companies, auto repair shops, etc. Just wondering if the search results show expired phone #'s, although this would seem unlikely in the case of the county sheriff.

On 4/26/2016 at 10:36 AM, BadLeroyBrown said:

This has always been my biggest fear in the hobby with that being said I have in my travels met women who seemed to have their ways of discovering who was real vs fake! With all that being said you go about meeting a woman, and then she gives you some odd request like show me your chest, or touch my hand, I feel like this somewhat eases tensions that the person you are dealing with is not in anyway affiliated with LE, but do you ever truly know for sure? At what point can you be like "okay, guard is officially down"?  The faster you get past the formalities, the faster you can get to the good stuff. 

I have known a few providers who were busted after the session was completed, with LE completely lying about the occurrence. So the touching of breasts, legs, etc., would not seem to be a foolproof method method for determining whether one was LE or not. Although I doubt that female undercovers would allow you to proceed that far before the door bursts open with her colleagues.

[nairobi09]

I have been to a couple of hotels to see providers and have the front desk staff ask what room I am going to.   I know this is one way that hotels are trying to prevent escorts from using their rooms.  This is almost too close a call as I have not had to deal with LE.

[BadLeroyBrown]

7 hours ago, nairobi09 said:

I have been to a couple of hotels to see providers and have the front desk staff ask what room I am going to.   I know this is one way that hotels are trying to prevent escorts from using their rooms.  This is almost too close a call as I have not had to deal with LE.

Yeah, I've always had providers direct me through a side door that has been left ajar, or meet me at a side entrance. All that walking past the desk, heading down the wrong hallway, then heading the opposite way, etc. Way too much!  But even if they realize what you are doing there the most they will do is put her out, you wouldn't be in trouble by them.

[amcbl1]

7 hours ago, BadLeroyBrown said:

Yeah, I've always had providers direct me through a side door that has been left ajar, or meet me at a side entrance. All that walking past the desk, heading down the wrong hallway, then heading the opposite way, etc. Way too much!  But even if they realize what you are doing there the most they will do is put her out, you wouldn't be in trouble by them.

When I end up looking confused as to which way to go and the staff ask me if they can help me, I just tell them I'm absent minded and always forget the way to the elevators or to my room. They leave me alone after that.

[javajunkie]

amcbl1  That's a great one! Ill have to use if ever approached.  One has to realize that the provider is also at risk in so many ways. This there temporary home if visiting from another state.  The hotel industry has always been aware of this activity and always will. A good looking lady, girl checks in alone.  If business is good for the provider, they want to stay longer.  Re booking to extend their stay will often raise a  flare or flag.  

Has anyone, paid for a room for a provider? I know that sometimes a provider can be down on there luck, but that is a sign of the quality of provider.     

Some of the most expensive high class establishments have hour long visitors that come and go through the front doors.  The lower cost "motels" , Days Inn ect. really attract to girls who will have traffic in and out. I suppose if you are comfortable and out going enough to meet a new provider all the time new places have to be apart of your DNA.  I have been to condos, privet homes, trailers you name it. I have met some of the best providers who know the routine to be safe.  They have precaution always when meeting someone new. A new provider sometimes will allow those boundaries to slide and that is when you will get in trouble, or something strange happens.           

[MoneyTeam]

Always scope out the parking lot.  I usually give the lady an eta that is a few minutes ahead.  Check the parking lot very thuroughly.  Look for usually american cars with extra antennas or weird looking vans.  Fords or chevys are what theyre usually in.  For example yesterday i wanted to see a provider in a hotel i shouldnt have even thought about seeing a provider at.  I get a water at the gas station across the street and see a sketchy looking man in a white 4 runner.  So i slowly drive to the hotel and park in a restaraunt lot right next door and wait (girl was taking her sweet time) as im waiting i see that 4 runner drive towards the hotel then he sees my car, and tries finding a space near me.  Parks on a no parking fire lane drives around, then comes right back next to me.  As soon as he goes to drive around the lot again, i took the fuck off.  And from a distance i can see him aimlessly driving around the lot again.  As soon as i left she girl called me saying shes finally ready lol.  Pretty sure that guy was a weirdo with a mental disability or something and it was all just a coincidence, but im not taking that chance no matter how hot she was.  Just a little bummed i couldnt see her.