Posted March 26, 2016 Colorado has had so many highs and lows and has hosted so many wonderful ladies and gents.. has anyone else noticed a complete change in the hobby community?.. I'm starting to fell nostalgic and miss the good ole days! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Colorado has had so many highs and lows and has hosted so many wonderful ladies and gents.. has anyone else noticed a complete change in the hobby community?.. I'm starting to fell nostalgic and miss the good ole days! How so? What do you miss?:) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Colorado has had so many highs and lows and has hosted so many wonderful ladies and gents.. has anyone else noticed a complete change in the hobby community?.. I'm starting to fell nostalgic and miss the good ole days! It seems to me that everything is still the same (I started on the internet in 1996). Guys searching for cheap GFE. Girls trying to increase their income with specials, edgy advertising, and posting a lot. Dishonest people on both sides lying about who they are, and what they do. Clients still falling in love with providers. Crazy girls trying to hurt other girls with lies, fake appointments, and threatening texts/emails. Most of us just rolling along, having nice appointments periodically, enjoying the "hobby"! What's changed? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 The only thing different here that I noticed is the women are a little meaner and there is a lot of drama. But that's most big cities. Other than that, it's just the same as any other place. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) You ladies are not the only ones who have noticed, I too have noticed that girls here a very mean. Whatever you do don't ask the wrong girls for a reference, because if your taking to much there business, you'll get outed, or threatened. I have even seen where some girls get there ass kicked, cps called and much more. This is why I keep telling you guys to get p411 account so we don't have to call other girls for references. This is tip of ice berg here!!! Edited March 26, 2016 by Nikki Holiday 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 The only thing different here that I noticed is the women are a little meaner and there is a lot of drama. But that's most big cities. Other than that, it's just the same as any other place. There's definitely an information bubble here. To some, ToB is the entire hobby world. We've even got a thread from a guy bragging about not posting here for a whole entire week! To him, it's some sort of achievement. It's not a mindset I'll understand, but people like what they like. To people more accustomed to other hobby sites, a lot of what ends up in the comments here would be considered extreme shilling, but here it's just called Tuesday. Some of the stories I've heard from providers about other providers are just amazing. I wouldn't want to be a new provider figuring out which girls to trust for advice and which would be manipulating me for their own agenda. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Thankfully I have a long history of being super awesome to other providers. It's in my history on eccie. I was the gal that helped other gals get started and be safe and on to forum boards. But I couldn't imagine being a new girl these days and just thrown into the Lions den. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 There's definitely an information bubble here. To some, ToB is the entire hobby world. We've even got a thread from a guy bragging about not posting here for a whole entire week! To him, it's some sort of achievement. It's not a mindset I'll understand, but people like what they like. To people more accustomed to other hobby sites, a lot of what ends up in the comments here would be considered extreme shilling, but here it's just called Tuesday. Some of the stories I've heard from providers about other providers are just amazing. I wouldn't want to be a new provider figuring out which girls to trust for advice and which would be manipulating me for their own agenda. Would agree with the OP, and Spice, that things seem a lot meaner than they used to. I actually blame ECCIE, where I have had an account for many years, long before my TOB account, and both guys and gals are generally a lot less polite. You don't want to get an ECCIE account if you don't have a really thick skin. And as a client, you are much more likely to become "collateral damage" in the "hooker wars" being waged there. And I am the guy with the thread about staying away for a week. Buddy, my "hobby world" covers 3 continents. I'm sorry I give the impression I'm such a rube....but Denver is the city I'm in the most, and play in the most. And I confess to a bit of addiction to this place. I acknowledge I probably post to much. But please don't imagine I don't have a life, or other experience. I do. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 The problem with eccie is the girls get on there knowing that it can be kind of a rough territory and they start crap in the threads and all this drama and nonsense not so much here in Colorado but especially in big places like Dallas and West Texas where it's huge. And most guys are assholes in the bigger towns anyways but if you use it the way it was supposed to be used for just advertising reviews and screening it's amazing. The thing with p411 is it is absolutely incredible but it's not an option for every single provider I will always keep my p411 account but it gets very pricey at times between all the other sites that we need to utilize and pay for people don't realize the expenses that go into the hobby on the female side 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Thread crashing a bit... I don't know if things changed here, but the suggestion above to use P411 is outdated. A few years ago, P411 verified, with a few Ok's was enough "verification" for most anyone. Recently though a P411 account is not enough, the majority of accounts now say P411 with references. Not just here, but in all the towns I visit. Makes me wonder, why bother with P411 if I also need to provide references? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Thread crashing a bit... I don't know if things changed here, but the suggestion above to use P411 is outdated. A few years ago, P411 verified, with a few Ok's was enough "verification" for most anyone. Recently though a P411 account is not enough, the majority of accounts now say P411 with references. Not just here, but in all the towns I visit. Makes me wonder, why bother with P411 if I also need to provide references? The ladies I contact via P411: Anything they want to know about me, they can ask any of the other 30+ ladies that appear on my OK list. They can even ask me and I will tell them. Except those 3 little things: My real name. Where I work. My home address. You get to know me long enough, and I trust you, you will get those after many meetings, any way. But never on a first date. That not good enough? Next lady please. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 26, 2016 Because an OK means nothing other than they saw the person. When I message a girl about for a reference for a P411, I ask was he friendly, would you see him again, and anything I should know. That's usually for people under 10 OK's, but you have to use all avenues of screening. You can't just trust that since a few ladies saw him that he wasn't a disgusting man that asked for BBFS the whole time. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 There's definitely an information bubble here. To some, ToB is the entire hobby world. We've even got a thread from a guy bragging about not posting here for a whole entire week! To him, it's some sort of achievement. It's not a mindset I'll understand, but people like what they like. To people more accustomed to other hobby sites, a lot of what ends up in the comments here would be considered extreme shilling, but here it's just called Tuesday. Some of the stories I've heard from providers about other providers are just amazing. I wouldn't want to be a new provider figuring out which girls to trust for advice and which would be manipulating me for their own agenda. Laplace handled your post and comment much better than I would have. This is a community here and over time we all become friends. It's not so much about being tied here for the hobby, but the development of relationships. I can guarentee you that I would have a good time going out and having a drink with a lot of people I have met on these boards. Laplace wasn't bragging, he was saying a lady gave him a wide open hour for stepping away from his friends for a week. Nothing to see here! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Colorado has had so many highs and lows and has hosted so many wonderful ladies and gents.. has anyone else noticed a complete change in the hobby community?.. I'm starting to fell nostalgic and miss the good ole days! Please. Do tell.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Would agree with the OP, and Spice, that things seem a lot meaner than they used to. I actually blame ECCIE, where I have had an account for many years, long before my TOB account, and both guys and gals are generally a lot less polite. You don't want to get an ECCIE account if you don't have a really thick skin. And as a client, you are much more likely to become "collateral damage" in the "hooker wars" being waged there. And I am the guy with the thread about staying away for a week. Buddy, my "hobby world" covers 3 continents. I'm sorry I give the impression I'm such a rube....but Denver is the city I'm in the most, and play in the most. And I confess to a bit of addiction to this place. I acknowledge I probably post to much. But please don't imagine I don't have a life, or other experience. I do. The problem in ECCIE/SoTX is the opposite. They don't have "hooker wars" because very few ladies even bother to post anything but their ads. They've all been chased away by the drama of two factions regarding a change in moderators and enforcement of standing policies regarding ASP verification and especially its application to agencies, several of which have disappeared from the scene. I got caught in the middle as I tried to scratch my itch while in the area. i echo Riggo's comments regarding relationships formed on TOB. I tend to be away from CO months at a time, and yet I try to check in most days. I miss the friendly conversations. With the incentive presented to my mathematical friend, I might have taken the challenge. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Something I know about Texas. If your a shady provider in Texas, the guys unite together. They will not put up any kind of bullshit, they will be the biggest assholes. If you deserves a bad review your going to get one. They won't budge either. If you out a client.... HOLLY SHIT BALLS OF FIRE.....I promise that provider will NEVER pull that shit again in Texas unless she expect revenge from the guys. lol Those big assholes they LOVE the hell outta me. Yummy!! lol I love P411 and Date-Check. If I can avoid contacting a provider for a reference, I will do just that. I do trust a few girls here in Denver girls that I will ask for reference. Otherwise NOPE. (but I give solid references) Ill begin using many other screening options to see a client. I would rather NOT screen a client and take a chance of getting busted by LE than ask for a reference. At least the police go away lol. If you have a P411 account and your okays are not good enough next escort in line. There is always another girl willing to see you, have good time and spend your money. I am one them. Edited March 27, 2016 by Nikki Holiday 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Some women are they way they are for a reason. Like a super good well reviewed man who had a lot of okays, a lot of reviews on eccie, no red flags, then the provider gets raped by said client, had said provider talked to recent providers he had seen, she would have learned that he was going through a trend of getting rougher and rougher after years in the hobby, and the lady might have known not to schedule with him. Just saying every one has their own rules and their reasons behind their rules. I respect yours, it's just personally not enough to feel comfortable going into an appointment. Some women have been through hell and back. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Some women are they way they are for a reason. Like a super good well reviewed man who had a lot of okays, a lot of reviews on eccie, no red flags, then the provider gets raped by said client, had said provider talked to recent providers he had seen, she would have learned that he was going through a trend of getting rougher and rougher after years in the hobby, and the lady might have known not to schedule with him. If a provider is advertising that she is a full service escort, how is the client raping the willing? Just saying every one has their own rules and their reasons behind their rules. I respect yours, it's just personally not enough to feel comfortable going into an appointment. Some women have been through hell and back. I understand, I too respect other ladies boundaries. Please keep in mind that I am a provider who is more open minded than others. I do not judge others for there boundaries. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Go read that other forum we are both a part of. The one just for ladies. Scroll down a bit. Maybe you'll be a little more open after you read the thread. ANYONE can be raped no matter what situation they are in. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Go read that other forum we are both a part of. The one just for ladies. Scroll down a bit. Maybe you'll be a little more open after you read the thread. ANYONE can be raped no matter what situation they are in. Agreed! Rape is not just about sex, it's more a matter of violence. There are also varying levels of consent. Sure, an ASP may have consented to friendly intercourse. But if a client proceeded to violently sodomize her while she's screaming "No!", I would call it rape. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 Agreed! Rape is not just about sex, it's more a matter of violence. There are also varying levels of consent. Sure, an ASP may have consented to friendly intercourse. But if a client proceeded to violently sodomize her while she's screaming "No!", I would call it rape. This +1000 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) I cant read that thread anymore. I got BANNED off ECCIE for 1year because, "I admitted to calling the police" when another provider and her family member where being threathered to be murdered. She refused to call the police for help. So I did it, incase anyone life was truly in danger. I broke the rules by admitting, I called the police. My fault for breaking the rules. Next time, I will let her bleed, not worth it. Wow, I never thought of that. I have never had all major problems with clients, that some providers keep claiming they are having. If that really happened, and this story is true, she should report him to police department. So he doesn't get the chance to do it again. Otherwise, she is allowing him to do it again if she doesn't press charges in these circumstances. This is why I encourage providers should have some form of weapon in the in home/incall/with her its called self defense. Well seem like either way its shitty side of each coin, 1. Screen with references and take chances of all the BS with other providers (not all but some). Providers get threatened for calling and asking for a reference too. 2. Don't screen your taking a chance of getting hurt or busted by LE. If you don't screen, you make that choice on your own, and no one is you should accept responaceability for your own actions. 3. Damed if you do, fucked if you don't. lol Im going to stick with has been working for me. Each provider should do what she feels comfortable with. Edited March 27, 2016 by Nikki Holiday 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 I wasn't talking about eccie. I was talking about the site that only ladies can go to. And do you know how many times women win rape cases against clients. It's next to none. Your face goes on the 5 o'clock news aS being a whore accusing a man of rape and he's wealthy and his lawyers pull reviews on you where similar activities occurred and they bury you on the stand. It's just not an answer for most women. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 I wasn't talking about eccie. I was talking about the site that only ladies can go to. And do you know how many times women win rape cases against clients. It's next to none. Your face goes on the 5 o'clock news aS being a whore accusing a man of rape and he's wealthy and his lawyers pull reviews on you where similar activities occurred and they bury you on the stand. It's just not an answer for most women. Your right about ^^this^^ part. If she knows she is not going to report him.....she has every right to fuck him up, hit him, stab him, shoot his fucking ass, tazor him, beat his ass, FIGHT BACK. Thing is if you don't say anything....... he gets to do it again, and again, and again until a provider stands tall, and takes a stand and speaks up. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 27, 2016 I wasn't talking about eccie. I was talking about the site that only ladies can go to. And do you know how many times women win rape cases against clients. It's next to none. Your face goes on the 5 o'clock news aS being a whore accusing a man of rape and he's wealthy and his lawyers pull reviews on you where similar activities occurred and they bury you on the stand. It's just not an answer for most women. +100000000000000000 Going to the police just isn't an option for the majority of providers. There is too much at risk. Everything always seems so safe and cozy inside the community bubble but we ignore some pretty harsh realities. There is always talk about stigma and what bullshit it is that we have to deal with it but how easily we forget about that stigma when it comes to using and needing LE. Painted Lady Problems are not priority for LE. There are so many horror stories with ladies and their encounters with cops. Anyone remember the cops in Glendale who went as far as to engage in services before arresting the ladies? "Rescuing" consenting adults and putting them through the criminal system. Let's not forget that law enforcers and law makers view us as unwilling victims but still criminals. I said this in another thread, sex work stigma doesn't just disappear when you need to call the cops. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 28, 2016 Colorado has had so many highs and lows and has hosted so many wonderful ladies and gents.. has anyone else noticed a complete change in the hobby community?.. I'm starting to fell nostalgic and miss the good ole days! Nope, not to me. Same play, different actors! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 28, 2016 Curious why the OP never came back lol 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 29, 2016 This is why I keep telling you guys to get p411 account so we don't have to call other girls for references. This is tip of ice berg here!!! My P411 account expired for a few months but I recently re-newed, yay! Just in time for spring! ~ love is in the air~ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 30, 2016 On 3/28/2016 at 4:46 PM, SpiceInCo said: Curious why the OP never came back lol Because she isn't terribly active here or wanting to take part in crazy stuff. Though I would like to hear more of her stories of "the old days." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/26/2016 at 4:45 PM, Citori said: Thread crashing a bit... I don't know if things changed here, but the suggestion above to use P411 is outdated. A few years ago, P411 verified, with a few Ok's was enough "verification" for most anyone. Recently though a P411 account is not enough, the majority of accounts now say P411 with references. Not just here, but in all the towns I visit. Makes me wonder, why bother with P411 if I also need to provide references? I prefer p411 more than I do having to contact other girls because lime Nikki says, some are really rude. In the past I would ask a lady for an okay in someone and they would jump to the conclusion of me stealing their clients. And with p411 if you have more than 2 okays, normally I go for it. Unless there are obvious red flags. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
