Posted January 8, 2016 Let's say on Monday you request an appointment with an established provider you've never seen before, for the following Friday. On Tuesday messages are exchanged and the appointment is confirmed for Friday night. On Friday morning you notice that her rates have been raised on both P411 and her website. Would like to get insight from both sides of the fence on how this should be handled. Is client on the hook for the price at the time he booked, or the time of the date? Should he mention something? I really don't like ever talking about money at all, not just for LE safety reasons (and I assume most ladies hate money talk for this reason too), but also because it kind of puts a mild damper on the session, makes your conscious mind remember that this is only a business transaction and takes away from the "fantasy" or whatever. I suppose you could just give her the increased amount and consider the extra money a "tip" and call it good. I've actually had something similar to this scenario happen a few times, not a one-time occurrence. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 Confirm the amount before the meeting. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 26 minutes ago, Kandi Apple said: Confirm the amount before the meeting. I agree! I usually do this when booking the appointment with a remark like, "And that will be $xxx for the hour? Right?" Since you didn't do that, then do so when confirming the appointment. (You are following up with a day-of confirmation, aren't you?) Do this because she may have different rates for different advertising venue. Or she may have a special on Tuesday, but not on Friday. Most reputable ladies will honor rates set with the appointment. I've even had ladies grandfather me with rates from years ago when I first started seeing them. The key is COMMUNICATIONS! Or you could pay Friday's rate & be done with it. By the same token, if you booked on Tuesday and notice that she has a special on Friday, you should pay Tuesday's rate. That was your contract. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 I would say ask her. But then you have providers who don't discuss services or rates. If you really want to see her take the risk and ask her. Or pay her new rate. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said: I would say ask her. But then you have providers who don't discuss services or rates. If you really want to see her take the risk and ask her. Or pay her new rate. I always confirm rates by phone or text before I visit a young lady. And I should say that I only visit those ladies whose rates are posted and/or agreeable by mutual consent. No surprises then. I agree with Nikki though. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 34 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said: I would say ask her. But then you have providers who don't discuss services or rates. If you really want to see her take the risk and ask her. Or pay her new rate. If she won't discuss rates/time, move to the next provider on your list. I'm not saying haggle, but sufficient to confirm how much should be in the envelope. If all she says is, "They're posted", fair enough. But then if you find different rates on different sites, cancel & move on. Or keep the appointment, with the lowest rate in the envelope, and a note saying, "per XXX.com" She'll get the message. Remember - Escorting is legal; you are paying the YL for her time. Talking about sexual acts and $s in the same conversation is where the trouble lies. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Bit Banger said: If she won't discuss rates/time, move to the next provider on your list. I'm not saying haggle, but sufficient to confirm how much should be in the envelope. If all she says is, "They're posted", fair enough. But then if you find different rates on different sites, cancel & move on. Or keep the appointment, with the lowest rate in the envelope, and a note saying, "per XXX.com" She'll get the message. Remember - Escorting is legal; you are paying the YL for her time. Talking about sexual acts and $s in the same conversation is where the trouble lies. Not really in many Colorado cities. At least not without a license and the keeping of detailed client records, etc. With all the requirements for record keeping, etc. no one is actually going to GET a license, making the plain escorting illegal. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 25 minutes ago, gr8owl said: Not really in many Colorado cities. At least not without a license and the keeping of detailed client records, etc. With all the requirements for record keeping, etc. no one is actually going to GET a license, making the plain escorting illegal. True. But then the whole concept of making & keeping an appointment is fraught with problems, so the fiction of not discussing rates or services does not provide any protection from prosecution. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8, 2016 My opinion: It's her body. Think about it, thats a big commmodity. If anything takes place that I personally think is not fare, could be her attitude, service, rates, cheating on time, I simply will never see her again. Simple. And, reviews are very effective. I believe in the value of being a regular for both provider and client. Building a safe and comfortable ongoing mutually rewarding partnership. I consider myself to be very "regular" material. I think it's her loss in the end if she leaves a bad taste in my mouth (no pun intended), an honest review goes along way for other future clients. Allbeit it is still her body. I think she can and should set rates, times, activities available etc....I, as the consumer don't have to return, ever. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9, 2016 Example: I like a particular girl, she is very beautiful. She advertises a little on the raunchy side, suggesting a very full menu. But, when I see her she is not so accomodating, a little stand - offish, a little hurry up and get er done ish. So Ive seen her several times, the last few at my place. I like to build that partnership so to speak, where I can call and say hey sweety are you doing anything? How about stopping by. I would think she would value that, but the last time I layed out a generous sum, more than the time called for, and in the end she gave me a look of "hey if you ever want me to come back I need more". No words, just the look. Sure honey heres a generous tip by the way that was awesome, kisses, goodnight!....But I never called her again. She's ok, don't get me wrong, I may yet some night when I cant find another girl and I'm realllllly on fire, or I may never. I may find a real gem and get lost in her charm and forget about her. But in the moment, at that time, it's her body she just shared with me, she sets the value, who am I to say what her body is worth, I'm not going to argue. But, I may never call again, thats my play. Cheers! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9, 2016 20 hours ago, Bit Banger said: If she won't discuss rates/time, move to the next provider on your list. I'm not saying haggle, but sufficient to confirm how much should be in the envelope. If all she says is, "They're posted", fair enough. But then if you find different rates on different sites, cancel & move on. Or keep the appointment, with the lowest rate in the envelope, and a note saying, "per XXX.com" She'll get the message. Remember - Escorting is legal; you are paying the YL for her time. Talking about sexual acts and $s in the same conversation is where the trouble lies. Posting different prices in different places has a purpose. But your suggestion is to bully her until she does things how you think they should be done? Cheaper rates usually mean lesser service. That's the way it is and always has been. But it's the guys that don't seem to get the message. The goal around here has always been get the cheapest rate possible for the most services. As for the OP you can always ask but if you don't ask then you pay the rate that is posted. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9, 2016 47 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said: 1) Posting different prices in different places has a purpose. ... .. 2) As for the OP you can always ask but if you don't ask then you pay the rate that is posted. 1) Posting different rates on different sites does have several functions (or so I've been told). Different venues have different costs, altering a YL's overhead. Different rates (& sometimes names) may also be used to identify the advertising venue, tracking where expenses are most effective. Different rates may also reflect the supply&demand curve(s) of the particular marketplace targeted by an advertising venue. 2) Yes, I did mention that he should pay the rate that is posted. But posted WHERE? If he finds different rates, he gets to pick & choose. Please note that I also said to identify the source of the rate. Part of the problem with failing (refusing?) to discuss rates & services is that each party of the transaction likely has different views of the rate or expected service. This may lead to conflict and hurt feelings. In general it is human nature to seek the best bargain in the market place. The best quality available for the lowest price possible. This is not a bad thing; it just is. Efforts to alter this are equivalent to saying that pi = 3. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9, 2016 On 1/8/2016 at 11:41 AM, Kandi Apple said: Confirm the amount before the meeting. The only answer. Why are people afraid to communicate? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9, 2016 On January 8, 2016 at 11:12 AM, freewheelin said: Let's say on Monday you request an appointment with an established provider you've never seen before, for the following Friday. On Tuesday messages are exchanged and the appointment is confirmed for Friday night. On Friday morning you notice that her rates have been raised on both P411 and her website. Would like to get insight from both sides of the fence on how this should be handled. Is client on the hook for the price at the time he booked, or the time of the date? Should he mention something? I really don't like ever talking about money at all, not just for LE safety reasons (and I assume most ladies hate money talk for this reason too), but also because it kind of puts a mild damper on the session, makes your conscious mind remember that this is only a business transaction and takes away from the "fantasy" or whatever. I suppose you could just give her the increased amount and consider the extra money a "tip" and call it good. I've actually had something similar to this scenario happen a few times, not a one-time occurrence. The time it was scheduled! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2016 I generally tell the girl where I saw her ad so she should know what she posted. I am under no obligation to keep checking her ads looking for a higher rate. I admit to being very price sensitive or you can call me cheap. That said I don't try to haggle. If I don't like the price I don't call. If she raises her prices after I call I may not have called her at the new rate. I also might not have seen the new price so I don;t see how I could be expected to pay more that the rate was when I made the appointment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2016 Yippeee! Another thread about rates... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 On 1/9/2016 at 9:33 AM, Lucy Kitten said: Cheaper rates usually mean lesser service. That's the way it is and always has been. But it's the guys that don't seem to get the message. The goal around here has always been get the cheapest rate possible for the most services. Unfortunately, sometimes the provider doesn't make clear that the "special" or that cheaper rates mean just a B&G. When the client arrives and only limited services are provided for the lesser rate, that is when the impression of upsell becomes prevalent. On 1/9/2016 at 2:29 PM, jj254 said: The only answer. Why are people afraid to communicate? Definitely agree with this, communicate prior to the session and misunderstandings are minimized. On the other hand, I've heard providers complain about clients who think that the provider is a cashier at a fast food restaurant. Ex: provider posts for $325/hr, the client brings $330 and expects change from the provider. I mean, come on, if one is willing to spend that amount for her services, and the service was as promised, is $5 too much of a tip? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 I have never checked her website or P411 for rates after I booked. When I book I always mention where I saw her ad and figure it is up to her to know how much she requesting on each site and the days she posts different rates. So far I haven't had any issues. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, amcbl1 said: On the other hand, I've heard providers complain about clients who think that the provider is a cashier at a fast food restaurant. Ex: provider posts for $325/hr, the clientbrings $330 and expects change from the provider. I mean, come on, if one is willing to spend that amount for her services, and the service was as promised, is $5 too much of a tip? If this were to happen with me in a meeting, I would show him just where to shove that $5.00! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, Kandi Apple said: If this were to happen with me in a meeting, I would show him just where to shove that $5.00! LOL!!! You don't wear a change belt during meetings? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 52 minutes ago, Kandi Apple said: If this were to happen with me in a meeting, I would show him just where to shove that $5.00! I believe, that at your usual rate, I should be able to demand exactly 1 minute more for that 5 bucks! I expect my 2nd shot on goal in that minute!!! Boy howdy, are you in trouble if you don't deliver! <receiving well deserved ass-kicking in 3-2-1....> 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 It's OK to talk about rates and time. It's not illegal to sell time, which is what we sell. Lawyers and Mechanics sell time. Just confirm that her rate is so much for a certain amount of time. Don't ever discuss services, that gets a guy on my "NO" list and forever ignored by me. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2016 31 minutes ago, Becca_Blossoms said: It's not illegal to sell time, which is what we sell. Continues to amaze me how many people in this business think this is true and believe saying it over and over will protect them in some way if things go bad. Lawyers and mechanics provide services for which some charge by the hour. So do adult service providers. If somebody ever figures out how to sell time, I'd like to buy a year or two. Like that Justin Timberlake movie, right? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
