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I have an issue that I wonder if others have also, or what others' thoughts are.

So, first, the two-call system. I'm fine with it. It makes sense. I call for an incall, she tells me a basic area to go to, I call again when I arrive shortly before the meeting, she tells me the hotel/room. That's sensible.

In other words, for an incall, the provider expects me to drive all the way there without knowing exactly where I'm going, and then get that information just before the scheduled meet up.

The problem I have is outcall. I insist on the two-call system there, and many providers object. So, I don't see them. They expect me to give my full address hours in advance, and I won't do it unless I have seen them before. I'll give the closest intersection and tell her to call me when she gets there for my address. It seems fair, and it keeps me safer, just as it keeps them safer the other way. I find it ridiculous that a provider would expect me to give my full address in the first contact.

If I have to drive all the way to an incall without knowing if I'm being stood up or not, fair's fair. She has to drive here for an outcall without knowing also. What do you all think? Is it unfair/ridiculous/irritating/etc. for a provider to insist on knowing your full address before she even gets in her car?

[Sweet Hannah]

agreed 100%, it's always good to arrive to the basic location early so no ones late.

[snowmanmc]

Wait, who told you that life was fair?

[Guest]

;381396']I have an issue that I wonder if others have also, or what others' thoughts are.

So, first, the two-call system. I'm fine with it. It makes sense. I call for an incall, she tells me a basic area to go to, I call again when I arrive shortly before the meeting, she tells me the hotel/room. That's sensible.

In other words, for an incall, the provider expects me to drive all the way there without knowing exactly where I'm going, and then get that information just before the scheduled meet up.

The problem I have is outcall. I insist on the two-call system there, and many providers object. So, I don't see them. They expect me to give my full address hours in advance, and I won't do it unless I have seen them before. I'll give the closest intersection and tell her to call me when she gets there for my address. It seems fair, and it keeps me safer, just as it keeps them safer the other way. I find it ridiculous that a provider would expect me to give my full address in the first contact.

If the provider doesn't feel this safe, (witch is her choice,) contact the next escort in line.

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If the provider doesn't feel this safe, witch is her choice, contact the next escort in line.

Sure, but it's not really an issue of escort safety. If she drives out and doesn't have my address, how is she any less safe? If she does have an address, and the client intends to stand her up, she'd have the wrong address (if the client wasn't stupid), so it's not safer that way either.

It's safer for me, though. I can look out the window, see who pulls up, and then give her the address. I can't see the disadvantage for the escort. Like I say, if a client intends to screw her around, he won't give her a nearby intersection, he'll give her the wrong address (probably the address of someone else he's screwing with, or a neighbor so he can watch, or whatever... whatever time wasters like doing, idk).

[Guest]

;381437']Sure, but it's not really an issue of escort safety. If she drives out and doesn't have my address, how is she any less safe? If she does have an address, and the client intends to stand her up, she'd have the wrong address (if the client wasn't stupid), so it's not safer that way either.

It's safer for me, though. I can look out the window, see who pulls up, and then give her the address. I can't see the disadvantage for the escort. Like I say, if a client intends to screw her around, he won't give her a nearby intersection, he'll give her the wrong address (probably the address of someone else he's screwing with, or a neighbor so he can watch, or whatever... whatever time wasters like doing, idk).

If the escort doesn't like how he operates (remember she is going to his home, not the other way around) he can simply next her. Move on.

Flip side, its her right, if she don't feel safe, next for her too.

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If the escort doesn't like how he operates (remember she is going to his home, not the other way around) he can simply next her. Move on.

Flip side, its her right, if she don't feel safe, next for her too.

Yes I agree. My question is, why would that make an escort feel less safe?

[Guest]

;381439']Yes I agree. My question is' date=' why would that make an escort feel less safe?[/quote']

I dont operate this way, so this question will need to be answered by someone else. I do things differently.

[LegalEagle]

I frankly doubt that many escorts would go for something like what the original poster has suggested. Whenever I have had a girl come over- and I've hobbied in several states- I always gave the agency/the girl my exact street address. That way, they weren't driving around aimlessly, or they didn't have to worry about any sort of safety issues. And I never had any issues or problems as a result.

Remember, for them, (I think) it's a safety and caution issue.

I remember chatting with one gal- who went to do an outcall at someone's house. She gets there a few minutes early, parks down the street, and walks to the house- and before she knocks on thee door, she looks in the (side) windows.

The guy has absolutely no furniture in any of the first floor rooms. No couch, no chairs, nothing. But throughout the first floor is this red carpet. And then she looks into through the kitchen window. Same story. Nothing in the kitchen. But she did notice that the door (presumably to the basement) was padlocked.

She told me she went back to her car, called the guy, said she was having car trouble, and would not be able to make it that night.

[frankenthaler91]

IMO, it's a mute point.

No one is going to be coming to my home unless I feel 100% safe with them. And that is not going to happen with someone I have not see several times. At that point, neither of us have jerked each other around and I don't see why I would start jerking her around.

[Guest Shauna_Styles]

I always ask for an exact address because I like to map my route before I go so I can ensure that I am not late.

Also I don't want to draw attention by driving around aimlessly in a neighborhood.

If I know where I'm going I don't look like a creeper driving in circles

[DontEvenTrip]

With the number of time-wasters, the no call/no shows, etc., I won't risk wasting 2-3 hours of my night's schedule without the address upfront. In my mind, without an address I am more likely to be stood up and wasting my time.

[Guest pejo]

I always ask for an exact address because I like to map my route before I go so I can ensure that I am not late.

Also I don't want to draw attention by driving around aimlessly in a neighborhood.

If I know where I'm going I don't look like a creeper driving in circles

All of this is true of the client who is heading for an incall as well. Yet, they are asked to operate without knowing an exact address. Which, I think, was the point of the original post.

In the end, I agree with others who say this is not about fairness, whatever that means. Everyone in the hobby gets to have their own safety rules. If you don't like the ASP's rules, you move on to the next one.

[Bit Banger]

With the number of time-wasters, the no call/no shows, etc., I won't risk wasting 2-3 hours of my night's schedule without the address upfront. In my mind, without an address I am more likely to be stood up and wasting my time.

Not intending to pick on you specifically, DET, but your remarks are an excellent example with which to work.

How would you ladies feel if the tables were turned? If guys refused to agree to the two-call system? If when they got to the first call location and you weren't there they left?

I think it's hypocrisy to demand two-call of your incall clients and refuse to follow the same practice for your out all clients.

But as snowmanmc said, who expects life to be fair?

[The Oxymoron]

Quite honestly, providers need a two call system so that they can be sure that the person prior to you has left, before you start knocking on the door. It gives them the opportunity to delay you for a few minutes if they happen to be dealing with one of those guys who stands in the doorway chatting (and not taking the hint it's time to vamoose!)

Also, some clients are notorious for showing up way early, eager like a beaver! Which rarely works for the provider regardless of whether there was an appointment immediately preceding or not. It give her a way to control the traffic a bit.

If a client told me to come to a check point, I would be quite certain that he would be sitting somewhere watching me arrive there, jerking off while I made an ass out of myself while the final address was not given. Whether that would actually be the case, who know. But I would feel very uncomfortable about it. So there is no way I would have ever gone on an outcall without having a specific address.

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Quite honestly, providers need a two call system so that they can be sure that the person prior to you has left, before you start knocking on the door. It gives them the opportunity to delay you for a few minutes if they happen to be dealing with one of those guys who stands in the doorway chatting (and not taking the hint it's time to vamoose!)

Also, some clients are notorious for showing up way early, eager like a beaver! Which rarely works for the provider regardless of whether there was an appointment immediately preceding or not. It give her a way to control the traffic a bit.

If a client told me to come to a check point, I would be quite certain that he would be sitting somewhere watching me arrive there, jerking off while I made an ass out of myself while the final address was not given. Whether that would actually be the case, who know. But I would feel very uncomfortable about it. So there is no way I would have ever gone on an outcall without having a specific address.

But, if the guy intended to jerk you around, wouldn't he give you the address of the house across the street? Having an address doesn't mean you have the correct address.

[Lovely_Leigh]

I don't prefer outcalls with first time clients mainly because most stings occur during outcalls. With that being said, I always like to check the sex offender's list and see how much info I can find regarding home ownership via the address. Unless we have met prior, withholding of an address is totally not the norm and I decline all appointments that deviate from "the normal" booking process pattern.

[The Oxymoron]

;381508']But' date=' if the guy intended to jerk you around, wouldn't he give you the address of the house across the street? Having an address doesn't mean you have the correct address.[/quote']

Sure, but that's where screening comes into play. It's pretty easy to find out if Joe Blow calling from 555-5555 lives at 22 Twain Street these days. If that can't be verified, many providers won't go on the outcall. There's nothing worse than spending 2 or 3 hours of your day being jerked around.

But back in the old days (pre-internet), there were definitely guys who would give you the address across the street for shits and giggles. I'm not saying that having an address is any guarantee of anything, but it definitely:

1. gives a little peace of mind

2. assists in the screening process

3. can be given to a check in person just in case you disappear, because that IS where you are heading to

I'm not saying anything is a surefire method of keeping oneself safe, but it's all the little pieces of the puzzle that are put together, that make navigating this business a LITTLE safer.

Knowing where you are going is never a bad idea, for both clients and providers. However, because of the timing/traffic issues I described in my previous post, giving out the address for most providers isn't an option logistically.

[pitbull]

Quite honestly, providers need a two call system so that they can be sure that the person prior to you has left, before you start knocking on the door. It gives them the opportunity to delay you for a few minutes if they happen to be dealing with one of those guys who stands in the doorway chatting (and not taking the hint it's time to vamoose!)

Also, some clients are notorious for showing up way early, eager like a beaver! Which rarely works for the provider regardless of whether there was an appointment immediately preceding or not. It give her a way to control the traffic a bit.

If a client told me to come to a check point, I would be quite certain that he would be sitting somewhere watching me arrive there, jerking off while I made an ass out of myself while the final address was not given. Whether that would actually be the case, who know. But I would feel very uncomfortable about it. So there is no way I would have ever gone on an outcall without having a specific address.

This makes perfect sense. My reaction to RED's idea is that it is needlessly jerking around the lady. The comparison to the lady's two-call request is not valid. I can only imagine the clients venturing to the in-call way too early or merely cruising by for no particular reason. Invite well-reviewed, reliable ladies to your place and give them the address.

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I do only invite well reviewed ladies, but even they lie consistently about the whole situation, it's bothersome to me. Here are some examples:

She said: My girlfriend's driving me out and dropping me off.

Reality: Bald clearly-male individual sitting in the passenger seat outside the entire appointment attracting attention in a car without tinted windows.

She said: I drive myself.

Reality: Came up in an SUV with at least two guys in it, gets dropped off, and then calls to ask which house it is, not knowing I just watched her get dropped off from my window, and tells me she just parked.

She said: It's expensive for me to do an outcall because gas is so much these days and I drive a huge truck, so I charge a bit more than I used to when you first had me over to cover expenses.

Reality: Honda Fit

So, Idk. I stand by, get to the intersection, I'll give you the address. If things seem legit and as advertised, e.g, you're not leaving some jackass sitting on the street for an hour attracting attention when you specifically told me your girlfriend was dropping you off, you get my address. I'm not putting up with that a second time.

[gr8owl]

IMO, it's a mute point.

No one is going to be coming to my home unless I feel 100% safe with them. At that point, neither of us have jerked each other around and I don't see why I would start jerking her around.

I could not possibly agree more! You nailed it frankenthaler!

[pitbull]

Perhaps stick to in-calls. Sounds like even the well-reviewed ladies are driving you crazy. Why bother?

[lola]

I've never had an outcall request where the guy didn't offer his complete address so i cant speak from the experience of having to abide by a two call system. But given some of the stories on here and basic judgement, I know I would just decline for my own comfort.

[Bit Banger]

Quite honestly, providers need a two call system ... So there is no way I would have ever gone on an outcall without having a specific address.

Oh, I agree, there are many valid reasons for the two-call system, for both providers and for clients. Still ...

... I think it's hypocrisy to demand two-call of your incall clients and refuse to follow the same practice for your out all clients.

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This is similar to the dual standard regarding other personal information, names for example. Interestingly, I remember a street walker, years ago, remarking that we needed to be straight with each other regarding names. She wanted the information we each had about the other to match our IDs in case we got questioned by LE.

I also remember a YL, again years ago, who at the 2nd call instructed me to walk down the alley (decent residential neighborhood). When I passed, she called me back; she'd been looking through the back window. I suppose if that if she didn't like what she saw I'd have gotten to the end of the block and that would have been it. Talk about watching someone make a fool of themselves

[Gizzicka Dior]

I always ask for an exact address because I like to map my route before I go so I can ensure that I am not late.

Also I don't want to draw attention by driving around aimlessly in a neighborhood.

If I know where I'm going I don't look like a creeper driving in circles

Hit the nail right on the nose!!!!

Me personally with my past experiences i would have to pass without a solid address! i guess one bad (a few bad apples lol) spoils the bunch!

[MelindaMadison]

;381533']I do only invite well reviewed ladies, but even they lie consistently about the whole situation, it's bothersome to me. Here are some examples:

She said: My girlfriend's driving me out and dropping me off.

Reality: Bald clearly-male individual sitting in the passenger seat outside the entire appointment attracting attention in a car without tinted windows.

She said: I drive myself.

Reality: Came up in an SUV with at least two guys in it, gets dropped off, and then calls to ask which house it is, not knowing I just watched her get dropped off from my window, and tells me she just parked.

She said: It's expensive for me to do an outcall because gas is so much these days and I drive a huge truck, so I charge a bit more than I used to when you first had me over to cover expenses.

Reality: Honda Fit

So, Idk. I stand by, get to the intersection, I'll give you the address. If things seem legit and as advertised, e.g, you're not leaving some jackass sitting on the street for an hour attracting attention when you specifically told me your girlfriend was dropping you off, you get my address. I'm not putting up with that a second time.

Then your version of " well reviewed" is scewed. Reputable is different than simply "'lots of reviews" if you make poor choices, don't expect for real reputable providers to jump thru hoops or compromise their safety ... This is the stupidest post I've read in a long time..

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

So why is this different for the John's?

[MAG]

So why is this different for the John's?

It doesn't have to be, does it?

This whole thread sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds whining "but that's not faaaaiiiir". If you don't like the two call system, don't participate. If you're not comfortable giving a hooker your street address ahead of time, then don't.

The OP Did make a good point about one hooker's driver waiting outside in his car. That's a valid concern. But whining about the inequities of life won't solve a thing.

My suggestion to the OP: watch for the hooker to drive up, and if you see something you don't like, play dumb when she knocks at the door & claim someone pranked you. Use a hobby phone so she can't blow up your normal phone after being turned away.

OR, ditch the backpage 19 year olds and go with well reviewed ladies.

[Chrisg]

All of this is true of the client who is heading for an incall as well. Yet, they are asked to operate without knowing an exact address. Which, I think, was the point of the original post.

In the end, I agree with others who say this is not about fairness, whatever that means. Everyone in the hobby gets to have their own safety rules. If you don't like the ASP's rules, you move on to the next one.

Problem solved! Great advice for spending you money at any business. Go straight to the one that does business the way you want & Don't cry about the ones that don't.

[Guest]

Both sides of the fence have some really good points. Its best to just work it out with each other during booking process. I find this works best.