Sorry, Oxy, But This Board Is Not Misogynistic

[2Big]

I disagree with the statement that somehow this board is hostile to women. According to Wikipedia misogyny "is is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.":rolleyes:

Just look at the member's list: there are dozens of providers with more than a 1,000 posts. A provider currently holds the #2 slot in terms of number of posts. There are three providers currently in the "top 10" in terms of number of posts.

There hasn't been a major "exodus" of providers from this board, just normal fluctuation, with new girls coming in all the time.

To summarize: no misogyny here. In general, a friendly albeit sometimes raucous atmosphere.

[Lucy Kitten]

None of that has to do with the content of the board and the actual discussions. Misogyny runs deep here, so deep in fact that many of you have become so accustomed to it that you don't even realize what's being said.

There are new working girls everyday but fewer and fewer have been joining in around here. There is nothing here for most ladies, an occasional chance to chime in on a legit discussion and more than the occasional chance to advertise but not too many opportunities for real discussion and to really be heard.

I find this weird coming from one of our worst offenders and often hostile posters.

[imwhoim]

I disagree with the statement that somehow this board is hostile to women. According to Wikipedia misogyny "is is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.":rolleyes:

Just look at the member's list: there are dozens of providers with more than a 1,000 posts. A provider currently holds the #2 slot in terms of number of posts. There are three providers currently in the "top 10" in terms of number of posts.

There hasn't been a major "exodus" of providers from this board, just normal fluctuation, with new girls coming in all the time.

To summarize: no misogyny here. In general, a friendly albeit sometimes raucous atmosphere.

I agree with Oxy. I think there is some misogyny here. TOB is not misogynistic. But, sometimes people make statements that make me laugh with dismay and at other times sound shockingly disturbed.

I'm just glad the women stick around despite some of the shit that gets posted here.

[MAG]

I find this weird coming from one of our worst offenders and often hostile posters.

With over 1700 posts, many of them openly hostile towards men, I find your statements quite hypocritical.

Much of what is called misogynistic is not. Man-hating women tend to apply the "misogyny" label to whatever they disagree with. Just because someone's opinion offends you does not mean it is hostile.

There are several ladies on this board who post a great deal, and never get into heated arguments with people. The two I'm thinking of are far from submissive - they strike me as very capable of standing up for themselves - but they don't post long angry retorts when someone rubs them the wrong way (figuratively speaking). They have earned respect here, even from those who you would call misogynistic.

[imwhoim]

Only a small percentage of the providers who advertise here regularly participate in the discussions. Besides the occasional hostility, it's just not that interesting to the girls who have real world responsibilities and families and friends to enjoy. So they use the board to their benefit. It doesn't mean they are okay with the hating.

Look two posts in a row that probably won't earn a warning or deletion! I'm doing good Gina.

[The Oxymoron]

TOB is not misogynistic. But, sometimes people make statements that make me laugh with dismay and at other times sound shockingly disturbed.

Exactly.

After nearly 18 years on these boards, the "shut up and spread em" comments just aren't the least bit amusing or interesting. It's time for me to put myself in a position where I can read a thread IF I feel like it, not because I must.

The guilty parties are also usually the most honest posters, and I appreciate a lot of what they bring to the community. I'm really not much for non-stop ass kissing and airy fairy-ness. But once the comments start down the path of "stupid hooker needs to get on her knees" and "women are worthless unless they are young and naked", I'd rather just skip over it because it does hurt me to read those things.

As admin, I don't have the luxury of passing those threads by.... as a regular member of the board, I will.

Edited September 27, 2014 by The Oxymoron

[Lucy Kitten]

With over 1700 posts, many of them openly hostile towards men, I find your statements quite hypocritical.

Much of what is called misogynistic is not. Man-hating women tend to apply the "misogyny" label to whatever they disagree with. Just because someone's opinion offends you does not mean it is hostile.

There are several ladies on this board who post a great deal, and never get into heated arguments with people. The two I'm thinking of are far from submissive - they strike me as very capable of standing up for themselves - but they don't post long angry retorts when someone rubs them the wrong way (figuratively speaking). They have earned respect here, even from those who you would call misogynistic.

With 1,700 posts I thought you would have ample opportunity to figure out my MO but you read what you want to read. I don't like you and if you perceive any hostility from me then you are correct but just remember it's directed at you not to men in general. I very much like men and given my chosen profession and success I think most would agree that there isn't any man hating going on.

I am not going to take the time and do the research when you can do it yourself. There are numerous examples of some very misogynistic BS and often times when that happens you will see me chiming in. The misogyny deniers see a hostile reply but I see it as sticking up for my gender. In my very honest humble opinion (please don't take this personally ladies because I understand the why) most ladies around here lack the fuzz to really stand up for themselves. There have been a few comments that have made my stomach turn, so awful that there really is no reply. I can't really be the only one around here that feels this way and it would seem that our soon to be former owner shares some similar feelings. It's pointless to try and argue with many of you but I have no lack of energy and lots of passion.

If this board is truly not misogynistic then this conversation is pointless. Why are we even having it? I am not an angry person, I don't wear hostility well and it sucks how much this place brings that out in me. I can only avoid so much for so long. I am, I admit it, very opinionated and some of these posts make my blood boil and keeping my mouth shut is not and option.

Long retorts are kind of my thing, I like words and books and stuff. Some might say I am intelligent, I wouldn't disagree but I would add pretentious in there.

P.S. I am not here for earning respect least of all from anyone like you. I think you meant to imply that if I acted more like a lady I would earn respect, you might be surprised that I already have a good deal of that.

Edited September 27, 2014 by luce kytten
P.S.

[Guest]

In all honesty,

While I do support escorts and with helping hand in many forms behind close doors. I also am for the all the guys as well. The guys to should be protected. I do offer this to many of this guys. All of my newbies can say they have been shown how to remain safe though me. This is called being team player.

My train of thinking is not willing to dance to anyone's tune. And I won't, I choose not become a anyones prison bitch. But I will do my best in following rules. I believe everyone who has posted in this thread make some very good points, for there viewing, the way they perceive things, as they see, had taken place. There is no right or wrong here.

Now, with that being said, I have read threads where providers come on this board and talk shit about the guys 100's of times. I have seen the guys return the favor. Iv seen the guys come one the board and talk shit to girls. I have seen the girls return the favor.

[harpo]

I disagree with the statement that somehow this board is hostile to women. According to Wikipedia misogyny "is is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.":rolleyes:

To summarize: no misogyny here. In general, a friendly albeit sometimes raucous atmosphere.

I am amazed . I have never seen you use the word provider or escort , not even once.

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I find this weird coming from one of our worst offenders and often hostile posters.

I agree.

Exactly.

The guilty parties are also usually the most honest posters, and I appreciate a lot of what they bring to the community.

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I am puzzled ! I can't believe you said that.

In all honesty,

My train of thinking is not willing to dance to anyone's tune. And I won't, I Now, with that being said, I have read threads where providers come on this board and talk shit about the guys 100's of times. I have seen the guys return the favor. Iv seen the guys come one the board and talk shit to girls. I have seen the girls return the favor.

Fair statement.

[pfunk]

To summarize: no misogyny here. In general, a friendly albeit sometimes raucous atmosphere.

What would call it when you, or av8r, or me, or Crazy Horse, or (ad infinitum), critisize how girls run thier business. Patronizing?

None of us have ever sold companionship. Most of the men have never run thier own business. How could you possibly have any clue how these women should run their business, much less critisise them about it.

It's like a carpenter telling a retail entrepeneur how to set up their storefront, and calling them stupid for not taking a carpenters' advice.

Whether it's labelled misogyny, superior stupidity, or just rudeness, it certainly isn't friendly.

[boink36]

What would call it when you, or av8r, or me, or Crazy Horse, or (ad infinitum), critisize how girls run thier business. Patronizing?

None of us have ever sold companionship. Most of the men have never run thier own business. How could you possibly have any clue how these women should run their business, much less critisise them about it.

It's like a carpenter telling a retail entrepeneur how to set up their storefront, and calling them stupid for not taking a carpenters' advice.

Whether it's labelled misogyny, superior stupidity, or just rudeness, it certainly isn't friendly.

Speak for yourself.

[MrReindeer-9515]

One day you will know the difference between harmless humor and EEK, just keep trying. Not a bad word was used. keep your criticism for the ones who deserve it and you know what I mean.

Is it menopause ?....if it is you are forgiven.

Sorry we hurt your feelings. thank you for the lecture , I need to be reminded to be a class and have etiquette.

Let me guess...Aunt flo is in town

or

may be it is shark week.

or

Big Red.

I beg to differ.

The 2 above quotes, and the fact that they are tolerated by the constituency, is evidence enough for me.

[harpo]

I beg to differ.

The 2 above quotes, and the fact that they are tolerated by the constituency, is evidence enough for me.

Life taught me that the only language a bully understand is to reciprocate whether it is coming from man , woman , priest, convict or MrReindeer lol.

I did agree with Nikki statement that offenders come with different genitals.

I was responding to bullying and I will continue to with no exception.

I will not be intimidated.

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

This board has both misandry and misogyny tendencies. Who cares? It is a hooker/john board. If johns had access to the hooker boards I am sure they would see how the hookers really feel.

[macho]

Life taught me that the only language a bully understand is to reciprocate whether it is coming from man , woman , priest, convict or MrReindeer lol.

I did agree with Nikki statement that offenders come with different genitals.

I was responding to bullying and I will continue to with no exception.

I will not be intimidated.

Poor harpo a victim of bulling from Jezy. You didn't need to bark at her. I would of took the high road and choose not to make her feel bad. But hey I totes get it no one is perfect.

Anyways back to the subject um I think there's Misogynistic tendencies on this board. I think most of us are assholes and just come off misogynitic. Besides Av8r he's probable hates his own mother. There is quite a bit of half-misogynitic asshole types too. Which often they don't feel misogynitic but come off sometimes that but are complete assholes. I don't think there is to many man-haters that are out in the open NNG. I think the are just misunderstood.

[pitbull]

I have heard a board veteran lament that this board used to be a place for Johns to chat about hookers -- the good and the bad -- but now the board has been taken over by hookers (his words, not mine). While I'm right around 1,000 posts, I was not here for those "old days," but I'll take his word for it.

I think the veteran's point is that the "guys" could talk about the real issues with some (not all) of the borderline crazy ladies, and make statements such as: "If a woman is involved in this profession, there is something inherently wrong with her. She is not stable." That statement may be viewed as "misogynistic" but it is not. Instead, it's an opinion shared by not a few guys.

Bottom line is that I agree with 2Big (did I just write that?). The board is overwhelmingly NOT mysogynistic, and 2Big has his place/role on the board, and that is to occasionally state the brutal truths. Bring the hate.

[MAG]

This board has both misandry and misogyny tendencies. Who cares? It is a hooker/john board. If johns had access to the hooker boards I am sure they would see how the hookers really feel.

+1

[Guest]

Poor harpo a victim of bulling from Jezy. You didn't need to bark at her. I would of took the high road and choose not to make her feel bad. But hey I totes get it no one is perfect.

Anyways back to the subject um I think there's Misogynistic tendencies on this board. I think most of us are assholes and just come off misogynitic. Besides Av8r he's probable hates his own mother. There is quite a bit of half-misogynitic asshole types too. Which often they don't feel misogynitic but come off sometimes that but are complete assholes. I don't think there is to many man-haters that are out in the open NNG. I think the are just misunderstood.

Av8r Doesn't hate on women. He is "No bullshit kind of a man", Straight to the point". He not imitated by others and there opinions and reactions. Myself personally, I enjoy reading his posts. Just my OP!

Doesn't sound like harpo, is willing to take shit either. lol I can't blame them.

Hugs

[Guest]

I have heard a board veteran lament that this board used to be a place for Johns to chat about hookers -- the good and the bad -- but now the board has been taken over by hookers (his words, not mine). While I'm right around 1,000 posts, I was not here for those "old days," but I'll take his word for it.

I think the veteran's point is that the "guys" could talk about the real issues with some (not all) of the borderline crazy ladies, and make statements such as: "If a woman is involved in this profession, there is something inherently wrong with her. She is not stable." That statement may be viewed as "misogynistic" but it is not. Instead, it's an opinion shared by not a few guys.

Bottom line is that I agree with 2Big (did I just write that?). The board is overwhelmingly NOT mysogynistic, and 2Big has his place/role on the board, and that is to occasionally state the brutal truths. Bring the hate.

Agreed.

[MAG]

Av8r Doesn't hate on women. He is "No bullshit kind of a man", Straight to the point". He not imitated by others and there opinions and reactions. Myself personally, I enjoy reading his posts. Just my OP!

Doesn't sound like harpo, is willing to take shit either. lol I can't blame them.

Hugs

Awwww - someone who understands me! LOL

you're right, I don't "hate on" women. There are several here that I really like, and some of them speak their minds freely. The ones who earn my respect don't twist words to find meaning that suits their own agenda.

I agree that it would be great if more providers spent time here, but I can do without the ones who cry "misogyny" every time a dude speaks an uncomfortable truth.

People seem to think that 2Big is the worst misogynist, but most often I think he just stirs up shit just to sit back and watch it swirl. Pitbull hit it on the head, there is very little misogyny here, but I think there is plenty of misandry.

[Lucy Kitten]

Awwww - someone who understands me! LOL

you're right, I don't "hate on" women. There are several here that I really like, and some of them speak their minds freely. The ones who earn my respect don't twist words to find meaning that suits their own agenda.

I agree that it would be great if more providers spent time here, but I can do without the ones who cry "misogyny" every time a dude speaks an uncomfortable truth.

People seem to think that 2Big is the worst misogynist, but most often I think he just stirs up shit just to sit back and watch it swirl. Pitbull hit it on the head, there is very little misogyny here, but I think there is plenty of misandry.

Sheesh after so long of not playing nice you really expect anyone to believe this? Pot meet kettle, he who loves to twist words for his own agenda and runs away when confronted with real arguments. He who loves the word hooker so much. He who his first to post useless comments on 411 threads, he who won't give any indication that he/she is anything but a troll.

There are uncomfortable truths and baseless derogatory statements. Things that don't really need to be said, that should probably never be said. Who is really asking for these truths anyway? 2big is an insensitive asshat, shit stirrer extraordinaire and often he uses crude comments about women to stir the pot. Maybe it's not misogyny by your narrow definition but it's fucked up and unnecessary. I am sure he has already had a few good laughs from these comments.

I have yet to see you respectfully disagree with anyone or hold yourself to same standards that you hold other posters to. And I ask again why would anyone give a shit about earning the respect of people around here, wouldn't you have to respect them for their respect to even matter??

I would love to see examples of all the man hating that goes on around here. I would also love to see examples of the friendly conversations that supposedly happen and the not misogynistic comments. You paint a picture with broad strokes and purposefully overlook the finer details.

A few months ago I started a thread and asked if you gents would stop referring to us as hookers. I was very quickly rebuked and was told I needed to deal with it. I am starting to notice that this is a trend, I just need to deal with opinions I don't like because you don't want to listen to mine. Since I don't like being called a hooker and I think stolen and leaked photos are disgraceful I must be some sort of angry, opinionated, word twisting, man hating not worthy of respect provider.

Ladies we deserve better than these guys who are insisting that there is no problem. We don't have to listen to "how it really is" and "ugly truths". We ladies provide a fan-fucking-tastic service and these guys should never have anything but wonderful things to say about the women whose job is to put all judgement aside and do you.

[Crazy Horse]

What would call it when you, or av8r, or me, or Crazy Horse, or (ad infinitum), critisize how girls run thier business. Patronizing?

I could care less what you or any one else calls it. I call it letting the business know what I want as a customer/consumer. If the business owner wishes to listen that's fine if they don't I simply take my business elsewhere. I treat this profession like any other. For years I boycotted Safeway because they did something to piss me off. I recently walked out of a Subway leaving behind an unpaid for sub because of the lousy service; I'll not be back to that particular store there being so many others to choose from. If you'd like to think about it as criticizing how they run their business so it can be easily dismissed so be it; any provider with brains and a good business sense will at least listen to what's being said even if they decide their particular business model doesn't fit the suggestions being made. As a consumer I don't need to have sold shoes to know what fits well on my feet.

It sure would be easier on the ladies if they could all get away with 3G service on all their sessions like in the old days before the internet. Over the years we the consumers have made it clear that we find that to be unacceptable at least with the prices being charged around here. Any business that flat out refuses to listen to it's customers soon finds it's customers going elsewhere. Which is why the majority of providers have moved from the 3G business model to the GFE one to keep their potential customer base from going elsewhere.

...Happy Hobbying...

...Crazy Horse...

[Crazy Horse]

Ladies we deserve better than these guys who are insisting that there is no problem. We don't have to listen to "how it really is" and "ugly truths". We ladies provide a fan-fucking-tastic service and these guys should never have anything but wonderful things to say about the women whose job is to put all judgement aside and do you.

This last part really made me smile. Which women that put aside all judgement are you talking about? The ones who won't see guys whose skin is the wrong color. Or perhaps it's the ones who refuse to see all young guys just because a few may be jerks. Or perhaps you're thinking of the ones that can't stand the natural smell of a real man and only wants to visit with over perfumed metrosexuals.

After years of sitting quietly by while one lady after another used a broad brush to paint the entire hobbying community as dirty and unshowered it was only natural that recently a few of us pointed out that we've seen many ladies in all price ranges that practiced less than squeaky clean hygene themselves. Some of you ladies like to dish it out but can't take it, but just because you can't take it doesn't make it misogyny.

...Happy Hobbying...

...Crazy Horse...

[VirgilBliss]

I too was floored by the post 2Big responded to. At the end of the day it is what it is. The “cum receptacles” is rather a curious, if not obtuse comment. Because ASP’s would state, this is not a dating site. They are correct, it is a business, which means there is the notion of demand as well as supply. Since ASP’s want us to treat this as a business, we have to commodify and quantify the services, rationally. Now commodification does not mean vulgarity and such. However, it does entail preferences, risk, value, cost, the time value of money and the money value of time and ROI. And when one does that for public use in the reviews, damn if you do, damn if you don’t. One has to check the emotions in their personal files. However, the double standards are glaring. In one instance of occupational risk; if an ASP is providing you her services and she has her period all over you, the guy is suppose to be “understanding”, “it is only natural”, “he needs to be in tune with his hormonal sensibilities”. However, if a guy’s rubber slips off, he is black balled, black listed and almost Bobbitted. Shit happens, so there needs to be understanding on all accounts. Another example is, it’s ok and expected that women should not to see guys under 6’ because of preference (opposed to insecurities). But if a guy wants to see someone taller than he, then it is considered a fetish and not a preference. This can go on and on… Really, what does one expect, because regardless of context, at the end of the day, women don’t know what they want and the means get confused with the ends. But since this is a business, as the women here like to emphasize, that means human attributes are associated with sku’s, style, size, fit, price, etc. Which means you are a sex commodity. But if you do not want to be viewed as such, then men do not want to be viewed as emotional tampons. We are not pro bono therapists. It’s not misogyny, it’s just business. You will be happier in the end.

[pfunk]

"If a woman is involved in this profession, there is something inherently wrong with her. She is not stable." That statement may be viewed as "misogynistic" but it is not. Instead, it's an opinion shared by not a few guys.

Wow, just wow. Look in the fucking mirror. You are the one creating the demand. You are the one asking someone to do something your wife won't. You are the one lying to your mate.

IMO it's the guys who agree with the quoted statement who have something inherently wrong with them.

I hadn't realized how may guys are blind to their woman-hating, but this thread is making it abundantly clear. Too many.

[MAG]

Sheesh after so long of not playing nice you really expect anyone to believe this? Pot meet kettle, he who loves to twist words for his own agenda and runs away when confronted with real arguments. He who loves the word hooker so much. He who his first to post useless comments on 411 threads, he who won't give any indication that he/she is anything but a troll.

Is this the "I know What I am but what are you" defense? I thought we were all past the third grade?

Maybe it's not misogyny by your narrow definition but it's fucked up and unnecessary. I am sure he has already had a few good laughs from these comments.

Glad you can admit it's not misogyny, seeing as how that's the topic of this thread.

I have yet to see you respectfully disagree with anyone or hold yourself to same standards that you hold other posters to. And I ask again why would anyone give a shit about earning the respect of people around here, wouldn't you have to respect them for their respect to even matter??

Back to third grade, I see.

I would love to see examples of all the man hating that goes on around here. I would also love to see examples of the friendly conversations that supposedly happen and the not misogynistic comments. You paint a picture with broad strokes and purposefully overlook the finer details.

To use one of your favorite quotes: "I'm not doing your research for you".

Ladies we deserve better than these guys who are insisting that there is no problem. We don't have to listen to "how it really is" and "ugly truths". We ladies provide a fan-fucking-tastic service and these guys should never have anything but wonderful things to say about the women whose job is to put all judgement aside and do you.

You're right, you don't have to listen to it. But you keep clicking the posts and reading them, don't you? I think you LIKE reading it. You seem to enjoy being indignant.

I must have missed where the topic of this thread changed from "misogyny on this board" to "hooker board etiquette". There are johns with strong opinions, and johns who are more laid-back. There are hookers on both sides, too. You're the only one who seems to let it ruin your day all the time.

[Guest]

There seems to be a struggle for the moral high ground in an arena with no morality. Thus, everyone strives for victim status. The ladies are quick to yell misogyny, while ignoring blatant examples of misandry, or even exhibiting it themselves.

I don't want to name names or single anyone here out, so I'll just point to this little gem:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/den/415707529.html

There have been many posts like this on this board, even from some of the contributors to this thread. If you wish, I can dredge them up. Search, after all, is our friend.

If this board (which is frequently referred to by the guys as EOB: escorts only board) is a shining example of anything, it is double standards.

Freedom of expression of frustrations for the providers, but not for the clients, for whom the board was originally meant to serve.

[imwhoim]

I agree with everyone who says this is a business and should be treated like such. There are good and bad ways to participate in business. I prefer the "business ideal" of working with people who are honest and easy to work with and where people pay a fair price for an excellent product. When either side does not respect the other or thinks things are unfair, the business relationship probably won't work. Luce Kytten and av8r are probably not getting together any time soon.

The guys who only see a lady once, don't give a shit. They can get away with the cum bucket attitude. That only works in a buyers market or a nontransparent market such as we have here. It won't work with a wife, girl friend or escort you see regularly.

The girls who don't provide a good service for the price won't get repeat customers.

Straight shooting is good. But, when people say things anonymously on the board, we can and do say things in a way we probably wouldn't face to face. Not everyone has skin like a rhino and people get their feelings hurt. But, I get the impression that some of the guys and gals really have deep seated disdain for the opposite sex or maybe its just people in general and are probably haters in real life too. The repeated bashing and negativity and offending terminology and "I'm only in it for me" attitude is what comes across as hating and wears on the psyche of the more sensitive souls here.

And you can tell them if they can't take it, then they should leave. Someone else will come along. But, if you want to be part of Justina's "big, dysfunctional family", I think you should make an effort to play well with others.

[imwhoim]

There seems to be a struggle for the moral high ground in an arena with no morality. Thus, everyone strives for victim status. The ladies are quick to yell misogyny, while ignoring blatant examples of misandry, or even exhibiting it themselves.

If you are referring to escorting, I think escorting can be very moral despite what the religious and political establishment wants us to believe.

If you are referring to people's feelings, then yea, it sounds like a bunch of bickering spouses who got their feelings hurt.

[Guest]

The board is overwhelmingly NOT mysogynistic, and 2Big has his place/role on the board, and that is to occasionally state the brutal truths.As he sees them. Bring the hate.

Fixed it for ya

Edited September 27, 2014 by Johnboy#1
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