Posted April 16, 2016 19 hours ago, Bit Banger said: And just what were your points? Don't negotiate - EVER! Ask the provider what she'll charge. (I can't count the number of times we've been told 'Do not discuss rates when contacting me.') Providers are different from the normal labor market. The economics of ASP services are different from other services(legal, programming, construction, etc.) Providers derive their self-worth from their rates Providers hold all the power, clients none You do not negotiate purchases in life. We are not agreeing to a transactional contract Did I miss something? +1 for sure 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 9:33 AM, Kandi Apple said: Haggling is not an option. You try to haggle and you will not get through the door! If this works for any gentlemen, the ladies that let their self be haggled down deserve the pennies that they get thrown at them. The posted donation is what we charge we provide a service for that donation. Offering time and companionship. If you're a gentleman and abide by the rules of being a hobbyist by respecting ladies time, you are guaranteed a memorable experience. Haggling only makes you seem like a jerk. Ladies usually don't like to meet jerks especially cheap ones. In this world we should all know by now you get what you pay for. If it didn't work they wouldn't be doing it. there must be enough providers willing to negotiate or the practice would have died long ago. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 6:59 PM, Ana said: Just curious Is this big for business? Or is it a pain in the ass to research every link she has to finally find out what she is asking for her donation? My insight is I would move on to the next.... I usually move on. Occasionally, a lady will intrigue me enough to call for donations - but not often. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2016 On April 15, 2016 at 10:24 AM, pfunk said: Haggling offends some people, and I'm one of them. Therefore, I never do it. I also refuse to work for people who try to negotiate, after I've set a price for my work. But if a client presented you with a project asking, "Can you do this for $X?, what would you do? Would you consider the project, perhaps giving them a counter offer? Or would you ignore them because they are 'haggling'? X = a reasonable figure based on market rates for time & material or previous contracts 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 0:49 PM, Lucy Kitten said: Just because no rate is listed doesn't mean you get to make one up. Um, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what it means. Then you can accept, counter, or ignore. A 10 day date is oddly specific so one should ask for the rate instead of making an offer. Yep, or you can make an offer. It's pretty easy to do. No one has the time or the interest to create a rate structure for every imaginable amount of time. That's not relevant since no one has expressed an expectation of that. If there is no price listed and you just make an offer you are negotiating. Yeah. That's what everyone has been saying. If the seller wants to negotiate then they can initiate. I'd prefer you not call me with your random offers of negotiation. I'll call you if I'm interested in meeting you. But, if you do call me, I'll decide whether to answer, negotiate, accept, counter, decline, or outright ignore it. I've got that kind of power =) I have said that more than once if there is no rate listed YOU ASK to do anything else is haggling. Bit says different. Why are you the authority I ought to believe? Were you elected to something? That really nice BMW across the lot has no price listed, even though common sense says I could probably figure it out but maybe I'll just make on offer on what I think it's worth. That's pretty much how car sales (or any sales) works on buyer initiated purchases. Do you really pay sticker for every car? For shame. Anyway, at least a car or a house will give you a starting point. No rate listed doesn't. So you make an offer. Is it so hard to ask for a rate for an odd amount of time? Nope. Is it really hard to ignore an offer you don't want to respond to? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 0:33 PM, Bit Banger said: You're right, Buddy. We're arguing past each other. As I understand Lucy's non-negotiable rates, I should do the math using her hourly rate and take it or leave it. Or do my last job, where it took weeks to earn that kind of coin. But the office (outdoors with a view of the Mummy Range) was pretty neat. Yeah. She's forgotten the men who call are real humans too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 Not posting rates is a great tool to weed out gentlemen who aren't willing to invest 5 minutes of their time to visit a provider's website for her rates. Now if you go to her website, and there are no rates... then Yes... I would move on unless you are just dying to see this woman. Quality dates take a little investment of your time, energy and effort to form a connection with the escort you are desiring to set up a date. I have found that a man that is willing to take the extra 5 minutes to click on a website link to get to know the escort better is usually the man who partakes in multi-hour dates as well as generally becoming a regular date. There is a method to our madness even if you can't see it on the surface... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) One advantage I can see for keeping your rates on your website, and only on your website is that when it comes time to change then (for whatever reason) you only have to make one change, w/o looking for every ad & profile you've ever had. As someone else pointed out, having a variety of rates posted all over the Internet just leads to confusion and difficult, some would say hurtful, conversations. Edited April 18, 2016 by Kaduk per Bits request.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 10:03 AM, Scarlett Dayne said: Quality dates take a little investment of your time, energy and effort to form a connection with the escort you are desiring to set up a date. I have found that a man that is willing to take the extra 5 minutes to click on a website link to get to know the escort better is usually the man who partakes in multi-hour dates as well as generally becoming a regular date. There is a method to our madness even if you can't see it on the surface... The Click through progression; | 1.| 2. | 3. | (1 & 2) takes less than a minute to click through, (3.) a Workable & Functional website takes a minute if you don't stop to stare ....... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Bit Banger said: One advantage I can see for keeping your rates on your website, an online on your website, is ... Sorry I didn't catch this iPhone autocorrect in time for an edit. The above should read, "...on your website, and only on your website, ..." _________________________________ ..........updated your post now shows your request.... Edited April 18, 2016 by Kaduk update...... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 I just ask them in a text I just say" hi so in so Im inquiring on your donation for the half hour and hour" and they always reply back not so hard ! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 10:15 PM, Buddy Glass said: You miss the point on everything, and the red text doesn't make you more right. I was addressing Bit Bangers if I don't see a rate for the length of session I want I will just make an offer, because he did mention that and it was why I replied in the first place. " There have been occasions (non-traditional, extended engagements) where I have offered a reasonable, set fee, thereby placing the Y|N decision in her court. " " Negotiating? Not quite. You seem to have missed the "non-traditional, extended engagement" part, i.e. something for which she does not have posted rates. I merely state what I'm willing to pay for the encounter; she has the Yea|Nay decision. There's not a lot of back & forth on compensation. If you think paying 240x$(posted hourly rate) for a 10 day trip is appropriate, I have a few bridges in NY that might interest you." No one is going to call you with random offers of negotiating. That's a really ridiculous thing to say, negotiating will happen at the time of scheduling and if a dude wants to negotiate it's up to the lady to decide if she wants to. Never at any point does a client get to make a take or leave it offer and have it be acceptable. I've got the product to sell so that really does make me the authority. The buyer doesn't get to make up the rules. EVER. If you really believe that clients have better insight then say it but be honest if it were anyone else but me who made those comments you might have actually agreed because telling a provider that a client knows better is a real schmuck thing to do. It's like you've forgotten that providers were human women when you decided to stick up for negotiating even though ladies are consistent in making known it's a shitty thing to do. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 So, having lived and traveled abroad, I agree - negotiating is indeed culturally driven. However, I always ask for a lower price on a bigger ticket item. For example, at Lowe's, I've never paid full-price on something over $200, and the same for furniture. It doesn't hurt to ask, and if the other person becomes offended? They're entitled to their feelings. When I ask for a lower price, I do it respectfully. It IS a bit different (IMO) in the service industry, although even there, I will often ask "could you do this for xxx" amount? The service industry is very amenable to negotiation, as a few bucks for a great review, or more work down the road is worth it. In terms of this conversation, I would agree - if there is a posted rate, then I go with it. Sure, I may ask if any specials are going on, but for this, a few bucks one way or another isn't a big deal (to me). If I were doing this 10x a month, then the overall 'best deal' might be more compelling. The couple of times I did ask about a lower rate (that was advertised), and asked if it would be honored, it was about 50% "sure, that's fine!" and 50% "are you just trying to get my price down? You get what you pay for". And in many respects, that is true. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 4:16 PM, Melissa Sterling said: Here's my take. I try to list my rate as much as possible. I don't want to be asked. If you don't know my rate when you walk in my door, well you're dumb. Love this! "Well you're dumb" 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
