Disappearing reviews

[whatagame]

Noticed that a number of the thedenverspeculator's reviews disappeared.  I had followed up on one and then submitted a review on her, which hasn't been approved, and his review of her is gone (as are about another half dozen of his).  I know approval requires some sort of NSA vetting, but the disappearing act seems even more curious.

[lillongman]

That is very intriguing indeed. I have looked up his reviews as recently as last week to research some BP providers. Those reviews are now gone. I wonder what's up with that?

[Guest]

Hopefully there is a conspiracy afoot or some kind of drama going on...I was gonna make some popcorn anyway 

[MrFister]

I suppose DS or the Whisperer can reply on this but I'll pass on what I know.

I've been PMing with DS on other stuff and he mentioned that some of his reviews are "in dispute". That's all I can say. I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds by providing that info - just felt it would calm down the speculation.

[frankenthaler91]

 

1 hour ago, MrFister said:

I suppose DS or the Whisperer can reply on this but I'll pass on what I know.

I've been PMing with DS on other stuff and he mentioned that some of his reviews are "in dispute". That's all I can say. I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds by providing that info - just felt it would calm down the speculation.

Well,  he did post about this and made a that the post would be removed.   So I imagine that this will be removed also.  

[Guest]

I waived my wand at the reviews, and poof! Gone. I'll leave 2-4 reviews for each lady, but no more than that. I will continue using my wand to clean up that messy area. OH, I'll be sure to leave the funny and gross ones up though. 

[N6_in_the_village]

I tried contacting one of the ladies with a disappeared review from denverspeculator (amberneal630@gmail.com, http://denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sweet-slim-blonde-150-roses-an-hour-outcalls-only-let-me-show-you-a-good-time/20119988).  Haven't received a reply yet.

 

[TheWhisperer]

We will not comment on any specific user at this time.

We try our best to ensure that only accurate reviews are posted. We have had occasions were self/fake reviews got through. When that is discovered we take action to rectify the situation.

We are sorry for any confusion this might cause, but we believe the integrity of the reviews is paramount ...

Finally, we are trying to incorporate an updated DNR list that would include these users as well.

 

[Guest]

16 hours ago, whatagame said:

Noticed that a number of the thedenverspeculator's reviews disappeared.  I had followed up on one and then submitted a review on her, which hasn't been approved, and his review of her is gone (as are about another half dozen of his).  I know approval requires some sort of NSA vetting, but the disappearing act seems even more curious.

Huh! I thought it was just me! I am getting older.

[whatagame]

10 hours ago, TheWhisperer said:

We will not comment on any specific user at this time.

It’s pretty silly to say you’re not commenting on a specific user when you clearly imply that you are.  Now I’m curious about the logic.  It would seem that only some of his reviews are questionable—some are still up. 

So, what’s his motivation for writing fake reviews?  Is he shilling?  If he is, doesn’t that make all his reviews suspect?  Oddly, two of those that were taken down rated bp girls as 10 in service.  Maybe that’s the reason they were suspect—we all know bp girls aren’t 10s.  How do we know?  Well, look at the reviews.  Hmm…  The thing is, when you’ve read his reviews, seen the same girl, gotten everything he said he got (review submitted and not yet approved), you have to be curious.

And on the note of paternalism—“the integrity of the reviews is paramount” because the mods are looking out for us—I have to wonder if there might not be some self-interest involved.  After all, if we find out that girls who provide 10 service can be found on bp, what does that do to the value of advertising here?

[jj254-1]

5 hours ago, whatagame said:

It’s pretty silly to say you’re not commenting on a specific user when you clearly imply that you are.  Now I’m curious about the logic.  It would seem that only some of his reviews are questionable—some are still up. 

 

So, what’s his motivation for writing fake reviews?  Is he shilling?  If he is, doesn’t that make all his reviews suspect?  Oddly, two of those that were taken down rated bp girls as 10 in service.  Maybe that’s the reason they were suspect—we all know bp girls aren’t 10s.  How do we know?  Well, look at the reviews.  Hmm…  The thing is, when you’ve read his reviews, seen the same girl, gotten everything he said he got (review submitted and not yet approved), you have to be curious.

 

And on the note of paternalism—“the integrity of the reviews is paramount” because the mods are looking out for us—I have to wonder if there might not be some self-interest involved.  After all, if we find out that girls who provide 10 service can be found on bp, what does that do to the value of advertising here?

 

I'd take DS's reviews with a grain of salt. It's just my experience, but I've talked to 2 girls he later reviewed (one must have been the same day based on review dates) and our experiences were highly different. The first girl was so disorganized I'd be amazed if she managed to get her panties on under her pants. The second didn't know if she did outcalls, but did know she didn't do incalls (he reviewed her as an incall). So many choices, right? I'm sure I wasn't talking to the 'girl' anyway. 

Yeah, maybe he is extraordinary lucky. Maybe I'm Peyton Manning's alter ego. Not hard to write a review for every chick on BP. Some will hit, people will love you. Some will miss an be all 'YMMV'. No cost to the author. 

Maybe they're real. Maybe not. You know girls have called him out for fakes. You know my experience. Up to you what to do with that info. YMMV.

[amcbl1]

On 1/4/2016 at 3:40 AM, TheWhisperer said:

We will not comment on any specific user at this time.

We try our best to ensure that only accurate reviews are posted. We have had occasions were self/fake reviews got through. When that is discovered we take action to rectify the situation.

We are sorry for any confusion this might cause, but we believe the integrity of the reviews is paramount ...

Finally, we are trying to incorporate an updated DNR list that would include these users as well.

 

A little confused here. Are you saying that when these users are on the DNR list means they are not credible or they cannot review anymore?

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, amcbl1 said:

A little confused here. Are you saying that when these users are on the DNR list means they are not credible or they cannot review anymore?

When a Provider requests to be on the DNR list she's asking to NOT be reviewed. Doesn't mean she's not credible; she would rather not be talked about for whatever personal reasons she has.
I hope this helps clear up your confusion!

[Guest]

On 1/4/2016 at 2:20 PM, whatagame said:

It’s pretty silly to say you’re not commenting on a specific user when you clearly imply that you are.  Now I’m curious about the logic.  It would seem that only some of his reviews are questionable—some are still up. 

 

So, what’s his motivation for writing fake reviews?  Is he shilling?  If he is, doesn’t that make all his reviews suspect?  Oddly, two of those that were taken down rated bp girls as 10 in service.  Maybe that’s the reason they were suspect—we all know bp girls aren’t 10s.  How do we know?  Well, look at the reviews.  Hmm…  The thing is, when you’ve read his reviews, seen the same girl, gotten everything he said he got (review submitted and not yet approved), you have to be curious.

 

And on the note of paternalism—“the integrity of the reviews is paramount” because the mods are looking out for us—I have to wonder if there might not be some self-interest involved.  After all, if we find out that girls who provide 10 service can be found on bp, what does that do to the value of advertising here?

 

There are MANY Providers who started out on BP and eventually rolled over to TOB. There are also many quality Providers who currently advertise on TOB and BP.

BP is free and any bit of free advertising that we can get helps us out with our overhead costs.
Maybe I have a chip on my shoulder, maybe I don't. But just because there are quality Providers on BP doesn't increase my fears of TOB's reputation. Good for those Providers dealing with some of the headaches that come with advertising on BP. More power to them! And no, I'm not just talking about the "potential clients" who are end up wasting our times, I'm talking about the restrictions BP has when it comes to posting. It's a headache I try to avoid.

If I have an ad up on TOB or P411 and you contact me through one of those venues and I can see your reviews/okays/reputation, the process is going to move much smoother and faster if you were to contact me off of a BP ad.

BP doesn't have a place for reviews: TOB does. TOB has been around for YEARs and I doubt it's going to fade away any time soon. The number of legit Providers and LE posting to BP is over the top regardless of what City/State you look at. Thankfully Colorado has TOB to help with the weeding out process. And as it has grown, so has the advertising for other locations. The Value of advertising on TOB will always hold greater worth even if it costs us more than it does on BP.

[amcbl1]

26 minutes ago, Justina Carter said:

When a Provider requests to be on the DNR list she's asking to NOT be reviewed. Doesn't mean she's not credible; she would rather not be talked about for whatever personal reasons she has.
I hope this helps clear up your confusion!

Thank you for your prompt reply Justina. My question wasn't about providers as such, but The Whisperer stated that the DNR list would include users which I took to mean hobbyists. Hence my confusion.

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, Justina Carter said:

When a Provider requests to be on the DNR list she's asking to NOT be reviewed. Doesn't mean she's not credible; she would rather not be talked about for whatever personal reasons she has.
I hope this helps clear up your confusion!

There are providers who:

1. request being placed on the DNR list for personal/privacy issues.
2. request being placed on the DNR list for business reasons (poor service)
3. are placed on the DNR list for failing to follow the rules (self reviews)

Unfortunately, those in the first category are often lumped together with the latter two.

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

There are providers who:

1. request being placed on the DNR list for personal/privacy issues.
2. request being placed on the DNR list for business reasons (poor service)
3. are placed on the DNR list for failing to follow the rules (self reviews)

Unfortunately, those in the first category are often lumped together with the latter two.

Perhaps we have a new category; certain providers who were reviewed by certain reviewers? The speculation about the speculator is that he reviewed girls he didn't actually see. That would imply that one or more of the providers in question contacted the mods and said I didn't see that guy. Wouldn't it? How else would they know? There is no DNR for reviewers (is there?). I always assumed if a reviewer posted a bogus review, he (or she) would lose the privilege of posting any more reviews but there would be no need for a list. What am I missing here?

[Guest]

On 1/4/2016 at 3:40 AM, TheWhisperer said:

we believe the integrity of the reviews is paramount ...

OK. How do we feel about the easter bunny?  

Every provider I have ever known with a boyfriend (who knew the score) had that boyfriend submit a review, sometimes every 6 months or 4 months or whatever the rule was. More than a few are still there. Do I like reading them for entertainment; you bet. Would I rely them to tell me much about what to expect if I ever met his girlfriend; not so much.

[boink36]

3 hours ago, Justina Carter said:

There are MANY Providers who started out on BP and eventually rolled over to TOB. There are also many quality Providers who currently advertise on TOB and BP.

BP is free and any bit of free advertising that we can get helps us out with our overhead costs.
Maybe I have a chip on my shoulder, maybe I don't. But just because there are quality Providers on BP doesn't increase my fears of TOB's reputation. Good for those Providers dealing with some of the headaches that come with advertising on BP. More power to them! And no, I'm not just talking about the "potential clients" who are end up wasting our times, I'm talking about the restrictions BP has when it comes to posting. It's a headache I try to avoid.

 

I sympathize with you on that. my head costs are kind of high too. 

[frankenthaler91]

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

There are providers who:

1. request being placed on the DNR list for personal/privacy issues.
2. request being placed on the DNR list for business reasons (poor service)
3. are placed on the DNR list for failing to follow the rules (self reviews)

Unfortunately, those in the first category are often lumped together with the latter two.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Isn't that when people should post a review?    And conversely,  if the lady has "poor service" reviews and then starts giving "great service",  should she not be able to have reviews show as much? 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, frankenthaler91 said:

I've never heard of such a thing.  Isn't that when people should post a review?  

I think the issue is that a lady didn't have to give to a reason to be DNR. Could be she was shy, could be she was a lousy lay. Didn't matter. She just had to be consistent and not allow reviews on other sites.

[gr8owl]

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

There are providers who:

1. request being placed on the DNR list for personal/privacy issues.
2. request being placed on the DNR list for business reasons (poor service)
3. are placed on the DNR list for failing to follow the rules (self reviews)

Unfortunately, those in the first category are often lumped together with the latter two.

And I would add there are those that are simply tired of reviews establishing expected services and creating a sense of entitlement in certain clients.  You gave xyz to Johnny Long Dong, I want it too or you get a bad review!!  Sometimes a lady feels like giving an unusual service (for her) to one guy for whatever fricking reason that is her right and business, but as soon as he brags about it in a review, others expect it.  Speaking of bragging "I banged the shit out her and she loved it" leads some to believe she likes to treated rough and rode hard.  Yeah, probably not so much.  Anyway, point is there are a whole lot of reasons - good reasons - that many ladies would prefer NOT to have reviews. 

The reason I started the DNR thread elsewhere is that I found it a major help in figuring out who had faked their own reviews, had fake reviews posted for them, etc. but ALSO was certainly a short cut in trying to respond to 411 inquiries (or for my own private benefit!) if could double check a DNR list rather than wasting a lot of time searching for reviews that were not going to exist.  For many reasons the list as presented in the old format - with the exception that it would have been nice to highlight CHANGES when it was updated - was, to me, one of the most useful tools the board had to offer.  And I fail to see why it is so difficult to make it available again.

And lastly, I for one because I value discretion to a very high degree, tended to pick ladies on the DNR list if I could feel comfy through various means that they were there for good reasons - as opposed to numbers 2 and 3 above.

But to the original post sometimes reviews get taken down mercifully because they were pure bullshit.  I'm sure the mods have seen it all and can spot many a mile away, but so should the regulars here.  Sorry rant over.

[Guest]

And some reviews, I believe are posted by ladies to detract from the reputation of other ladies.  This is a cutthroat business.  

It would not be difficult for me to create a new account and select 3 or 4 high volume ladies and then write false-but-positive reviews about them using info from their previous bunch of reviews. They don't know me, but dang, I said nice things about them. So the reviews get posted and I now have a history.  Then BAM, a couple of false-negative reviews on the ladies I wanted to target.  I would just need to know a few details about those ladies to make the bad reviews seem plausible.

 

I don't see a way to stop this practice.

[gr8owl]

7 minutes ago, Laplace said:

And some reviews, I believe are posted by ladies to detract from the reputation of other ladies.  This is a cutthroat business.  

It would not be difficult for me to create a new account and select 3 or 4 high volume ladies and then write false-but-positive reviews about them using info from their previous bunch of reviews. They don't know me, but dang, I said nice things about them. So the reviews get posted and I now have a history.  Then BAM, a couple of false-negative reviews on the ladies I wanted to target.  I would just need to know a few details about those ladies to make the bad reviews seem plausible.

 

I don't see a way to stop this practice.

But at least the behavior is not encouraged on this board by offering to waive membership fees in lieu of a couple reviews, provided they are juicy enough in lurid but possibly wholly inaccurate detail.  Not to cast aspersions at any competitor boards, but ....................................

And more than a few - good and bad - are posted by pimps.  Shocking I tells ya!!

[Guest]

Seriously: Whatever happened to integrity?

[Guest]

" Johnny Long Dong "  Damn!  Someone has figured out my alter ego!!!

Guess I'm going to have to switch to "Little Larry" to avoid having my cover blown!  On second thought, having my cover blown is not such a bad plan!  Any blow is a good blow after all!

Edited January 6, 2016 by Riggo

[Bit Banger]

33 minutes ago, Justina Carter said:

Seriously: Whatever happened to integrity?

The Tooth Fairy replaced with Benjamins. 😜

[N6_in_the_village]

On 1/4/2016 at 0:50 AM, N6_in_the_village said:

I tried contacting one of the ladies with a disappeared review from denverspeculator (amberneal630@gmail.com, http://denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sweet-slim-blonde-150-roses-an-hour-outcalls-only-let-me-show-you-a-good-time/20119988).  Haven't received a reply yet.

 

My previous comment may have provoked a response in the last two days: the link to this old (Dec 5) ad still works, but the four pictures have been removed.  Here's the old version with the pictures:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:A2k-M1P0ZYYJ:denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sweet-slim-blonde-150-roses-an-hour-outcalls-only-let-me-show-you-a-good-time/20119988+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I'm imagining the beginning of a conversation with this person:

(me) "You don't look anything like your pictures.  I even brought one with me, here, you can have it."

(her) "What are you talking about?  My ad doesn't have pictures."

(me) "Also, umm, you listed your age as 18."

(her) "I don't see anything wrong with that.  I was once 18 years old for an entire year!"

(and the meeting goes downhill from there)

 

I'm not too worried about this happening, though, because she hasn't responded to my contact attempt.

 

[Lucy Kitten]

On 1/5/2016 at 2:58 PM, Justina Carter said:

There are MANY Providers who started out on BP and eventually rolled over to TOB. There are also many quality Providers who currently advertise on TOB and BP.

BP is free and any bit of free advertising that we can get helps us out with our overhead costs.
Maybe I have a chip on my shoulder, maybe I don't. But just because there are quality Providers on BP doesn't increase my fears of TOB's reputation. Good for those Providers dealing with some of the headaches that come with advertising on BP. More power to them! And no, I'm not just talking about the "potential clients" who are end up wasting our times, I'm talking about the restrictions BP has when it comes to posting. It's a headache I try to avoid.

If I have an ad up on TOB or P411 and you contact me through one of those venues and I can see your reviews/okays/reputation, the process is going to move much smoother and faster if you were to contact me off of a BP ad.

BP doesn't have a place for reviews: TOB does. TOB has been around for YEARs and I doubt it's going to fade away any time soon. The number of legit Providers and LE posting to BP is over the top regardless of what City/State you look at. Thankfully Colorado has TOB to help with the weeding out process. And as it has grown, so has the advertising for other locations. The Value of advertising on TOB will always hold greater worth even if it costs us more than it does on BP.

Actually BP isn't free. It was free momentarily while they figured out their payment disputes. BP has in fact doubled (quadrupled the rates before the payment problems) rates. Many if not most ladies who use BP spend hundred of dollars a month. So no TOB is not more expensive than BP, most ladies will spend in a week on BP what they would spend for the month on TOB.

BP isn't  an adult site, there will be no reviews and their rules are in place to keep them in business, which I am sure all of the users appreciate. You can post certain links and all the pertinent screening info you need you just can't be explicit. The biggest difference between the two advertising venues is quantity. If TOB ads had the same number of viewers as BP there would be the same problems. The same guys who peruse the ads on TOB are also looking at BP ads because again quantity and loads more variation in types of providers and rates. The not so great clients and providers don't really change their behavior because of whatever site they're on.

So if you're really talking actual worth no TOB is not worth more. It's a very helpful advertising venue but does not yet have the pull to get thousands of views per ad per day. Which is why there are so many ladies who are BP only. The number of ladies that post on TOB versus the number of actual providers is weak in comparison. There are many that use P411 but not TOB. There are so many variations of what works for providers that nothing is really concrete. With the exception of BP because it is so widely used by both clients and providers all over the country.

As for the comment you quoted I am pretty sure that's a reincarnation of DS whoever they are. Obvious troll does make some interesting points though.