Another stab at what defines FANTASTIC

[Bit Banger]

From another thread (emphasis mine):

...

I believe if a lady provides the services she advertises, provides fantastic service, looks like her pics & has a fantastic attitude then she deserves a Fantastic rating. ...

And just how do you define "fantastic service"?

Consider these ratings:

• Exceeds expectations
  
• Meets expectations
  
• Below expectations
  

Fairly self-explanitory. One party has expectations (we'll get to how they are acquired in a bit) and the other party either meets, exceeds, or fails to meet these expectations.

When writing a review I often have a list of criteria in my head. These range from Ease of contact, directions (give or take) to the facility, promptness, facility cleanliness (incall), looks, attitude, activities performed (before, during, & after), the departure, through what happens the next day. I also tend to classify these criteria as major (cleanliness) or minor (next day activities). My expectations for these criteria are developed from my past experience (both in & out of 'the hobby'), from other reviewer's experiences, from a lady's advertising material, and from my interactions with the lady herself prior to the session. If in looking back on our time together something sticks in my head, it usually means that it was out of norm, either by exceeding or falling below my expectations.

For an AVERAGE review, most criteria meet expectations, with perhaps 1-2 below expectations or exceed expectations.

For a VERY GOOD review, many criteria exceed expectations, several meet expectations, and maybe 1-2 minor criteria are below expectations.

For a FANTASTIC, all major criteria must exceed expectations, but a few minor criteria may meet expectations. There should be no below expectations.

While it is incumbent on the client to communicate these expectations to the provider for a quality session, the provider should also make an effort to assertain the clients expectations. That's just one of my expectations.

Now go back to the other thread with associated review and apply this evaluation process in your own head. What happens?

[Guest hgritstoo]

Understand the point you are trying to make. The problem is that the entire review process.......just like performance evaluations in the corporate world......is never going to fit for all people and all situations. As soon as we all accept this, we can get on with life.

Take your word "expectations."

A person with little experience is going to be easier to please because his expectations are tempered by his experience. Alternatively, a newbie hobbyist may be expecting the live equivalent of all the porn he's been watching, visit an outstanding provider, and be completely disappointed.

The fantastic to terrible rating scale is flawed. IMHO, there should be only 2 ratings:

SAFE/HONEST

NOT SAFE/HONEST

[Bit Banger]

... IMHO, there should be only 2 ratings:

SAFE/HONEST

NOT SAFE/HONEST

That's a system I could live with. Similar to the Provider OKs of P411.

[Whatdah]

Understand the point you are trying to make. The problem is that the entire review process.......just like performance evaluations in the corporate world......is never going to fit for all people and all situations. As soon as we all accept this, we can get on with life.

Take your word "expectations."

A person with little experience is going to be easier to please because his expectations are tempered by his experience. Alternatively, a newbie hobbyist may be expecting the live equivalent of all the porn he's been watching, visit an outstanding provider, and be completely disappointed.

The fantastic to terrible rating scale is flawed. IMHO, there should be only 2 ratings:

SAFE/HONEST

NOT SAFE/HONEST

Agreed.

90% of what I take away from reviews is the objective stuff. I would add 1) ease or lack there of in setting up appt., 2) punctuality, 3) hygiene and (maybe because this is venturing into the subjective realm) 4) providers general interest/level of engagement in session to the "safe and honest" categories above.

"best ever", "rocked my world", etc., . . . . . . whatever. what rocks my world may not even rock Boink's boat.

That said, if I am familiar with a reviewer, have seen some of the same providers he has reviewed and found experiences to be similar, I will put stock into his subjective comments. Particularly when the review says "she is a CCP!"

[Guest hgritstoo]

Help please.

CCP?

[urfan]

you make a good point on the thumbs up or thumbs down rating. i think that would focus the attention more properly on the narrative, which is why most of us read reviews anyway. the current categories have inherent weaknesses and limitations.

plus, no matter what graduated rating system you use, including a strictly 1 - 10 numeric, there will always be that goddamn east german judge throwin a wrench into the works

from my limited knowledge of whatda, my best guess at definition of 'ccp' would have to be cum-craving provider - which is definitely high on my wish list, in addition to the ubiquitous 'ftf'

and who doesn't like that? lol

[Outoftowner]

Help please.

CCP?

Cum Crazed Predator.

[Whatdah]

you are correct sir!

an exceedingly wonderful and (unfortunately) rare trait to find in a woman.

[Guest kelso1342]

you make a good point on the thumbs up or thumbs down rating. i think that would focus the attention more properly on the narrative, which is why most of us read reviews anyway. the current categories have inherent weaknesses and limitations.

plus, no matter what graduated rating system you use, including a strictly 1 - 10 numeric, there will always be that goddamn east german judge throwin a wrench into the works

Totally love this idea; replace graduated ratings with binary or trinary ones that are as close to objective as possible. I'd like to see:

Safe/Not safe

Honest/Not honest

Would see again? Yes/Maybe/No

People are going to want *some* kind of at-a-glance quality indicator, and "Would see again?" is still pretty close to objective.

Then we can worry about the content of the reviews and not have to think about endless, fundamentally unwinnable arguments about what 'fantastic' means

[Nightrain]

The top half of the reviews page is binary. For example, either you get UTF or not, DATY is allowed or not, and so on. As for the "Additional Comments" section, see the reviews posted by Carlos Slim, and you get short succinct descriptions of the UTF, DATY, etc.

To quote Mr. Slim, solo me dos centavos.

[geecue2]

Wanting all these changes I see eventually the reivews will end up a pay per view. JMO

[Guest kelso1342]

Wanting all these changes I see eventually the reivews will end up a pay per view. JMO

That's a good point, too.

[Guest]

From another thread (emphasis mine):

And just how do you define "fantastic service"?

Consider these ratings:

• Exceeds expectations
  
• Meets expectations
  
• Below expectations
  

Fairly self-explanitory. One party has expectations (we'll get to how they are acquired in a bit) and the other party either meets, exceeds, or fails to meet these expectations.

When writing a review I often have a list of criteria in my head. These range from Ease of contact, directions (give or take) to the facility, promptness, facility cleanliness (incall), looks, attitude, activities performed (before, during, & after), the departure, through what happens the next day. I also tend to classify these criteria as major (cleanliness) or minor (next day activities). My expectations for these criteria are developed from my past experience (both in & out of 'the hobby'), from other reviewer's experiences, from a lady's advertising material, and from my interactions with the lady herself prior to the session. If in looking back on our time together something sticks in my head, it usually means that it was out of norm, either by exceeding or falling below my expectations.

For an AVERAGE review, most criteria meet expectations, with perhaps 1-2 below expectations or exceed expectations.

For a VERY GOOD review, many criteria exceed expectations, several meet expectations, and maybe 1-2 minor criteria are below expectations.

For a FANTASTIC, all major criteria must exceed expectations, but a few minor criteria may meet expectations. There should be no below expectations.

While it is incumbent on the client to communicate these expectations to the provider for a quality session, the provider should also make an effort to assertain the clients expectations. That's just one of my expectations.

Now go back to the other thread with associated review and apply this evaluation process in your own head. What happens?

Ok people your taking this way to serious now lol.

All I have to say is if you go see a lady & expect something that SHE DOES NOT ADVERTISE, regardless of what reviewers said/or why she does not advertise it; it is YOUR FAULT IF YOU DON"T GET IT & it causes you to not have a good time. NOT THE PROVIDER WHO NEVER OFFERED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

To each there own...but in my opinion that rating was un-called for & wrong.

[Bit Banger]

Ok people your taking this way to serious now lol.

All I have to say is if you go see a lady & expect something that SHE DOES NOT ADVERTISE, regardless of what reviewers said/or why she does not advertise it; it is YOUR FAULT IF YOU DON"T GET IT & it causes you to not have a good time. NOT THE PROVIDER WHO NEVER OFFERED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

To each there own...but in my opinion that rating was un-called for & wrong.

Perhaps you should have posted this response on that other thread.

I started this general thread on the topic of what constitutes FANTASTIC. Not to discuss a specific review.

[2Big]

Fantastic: A session that is so out of this world that you feel you've just been transported to another dimension.

Everything has to come together: looks, attitude, services.

Most girls already fail the first criterion. You open the door, she looks 10 years older and 30 pounds heavier than her pics....things can only go downhill from there.

One of the best sessions I ever had was with a curly Russian girl in a brothel in Frankfurt, Germany. I was actually there to see another girl, who was busy. This curly firecracker -pretty but not beautiful- started flirting with me, begging me to see her instead. I wasn't really all that turned on, but caved in.

Asked her what she did for a living, expecting to hear the usual: I'm a student, blah, blah, blah. She says: I'm a singer. Me: Sure, whatever, in the shower? She opens her mouth and starts singing R Kelly's I believe I can fly. Man this chick had some pipes, I thought Whitney Houston had just entered the room and channeled a short Russian chick.

Happens maybe once or twice in a hobbyist's career.

99.9% of all encounters qualify as "good enough".

A shorthand for fantastic would be: GFE + PSE + Attitude. If it all comes together, you basically have a fantastic time.

[halyard]

The fantastic to terrible rating scale is flawed. IMHO, there should be only 2 ratings:

SAFE/HONEST

NOT SAFE/HONEST

Amen Brother!

I wish we could convince Gina to add this feature to P411. And yes, I would pay an increased membership fee for such an upgrade.

The results of most sessions are primarily a function of YMMV - and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I agree, let's simplify and ditch the rating scale.

[Guest]

oh i'm sorry....

I knew I didn't even open this thread in the begining for a reason.

But when I finally did I noticed you quoted me...so there you have.

I simply stated my opinion....like my saying goes hate it or love it its ok with me, I'm always gona have an opinion.

If I could go back & take down the reply I made here I would, but I'm not a moderator so I can't...but I tell you what I'll leave the ""who deserves a fantastic lessons" up to you! Because at the end of the day its really not that big of a deal.

[angela aspen]

Agreed.

I was Out with Naughty America director Christian XXX, Lee Bang- agent/ performer since 03'.. and my legend bestie Sophie Dee... we pow wowed around dinner about the New Girls in The Biz.

Too categories for the tight young mouthwater knockouts: mechanical and quiet... and Boom:! The Next Big Thing! Energy, playful, sexy and dirty talk. Every director takes a Gamble for paying big money for their First Scene! .. (the First Reviews!) Its kinda like Hobbyiest who Take One For The Team. It could go way one or the other.

Ive worked with knockout providers.. two categories.. no three.. 1. Quiet as they have never seen porn n mommy didnt teach them how to give head 2. The Next Perfectly Reviewed Dynamite 3. Late n' High

So I agree, since 99.99 percent of guys have seen porn... 99.99% of guys might have different expectations from us little gals of what is GOOD SEX. We were raised watching "The Little Mermaid"... "Cinderella".. and have stars in our eyes when we are not taught by our mommies how to give good head. We think guys should be greatful we bat our eye lashes and giggle.

After loosing my virginity weeks before,porn star Misty Haze from COS.. looked me in the eyes.. took five minutes to explain enthusiasm and how to dirty talk. The rest is history. Not everyone has teachers.

Good Porn= Good Teacher

[lifeisgood]

Agreed.

I was Out with Naughty America director Christian XXX, Lee Bang- agent/ performer since 03'.. and my legend bestie Sophie Dee... we pow wowed around dinner about the New Girls in The Biz.

Too categories for the tight young mouthwater knockouts: mechanical and quiet... and Boom:! The Next Big Thing! Energy, playful, sexy and dirty talk. Every director takes a Gamble for paying big money for their First Scene! .. (the First Reviews!) Its kinda like Hobbyiest who Take One For The Team. It could go way one or the other.

Ive worked with knockout providers.. two categories.. no three.. 1. Quiet as they have never seen porn n mommy didnt teach them how to give head 2. The Next Perfectly Reviewed Dynamite 3. Late n' High

So I agree, since 99.99 percent of guys have seen porn... 99.99% of guys might have different expectations from us little gals of what is GOOD SEX. We were raised watching "The Little Mermaid"... "Cinderella".. and have stars in our eyes when we are not taught by our mommies how to give good head. We think guys should be greatful we bat our eye lashes and giggle.

After loosing my virginity weeks before,porn star Misty Haze from COS.. looked me in the eyes.. took five minutes to explain enthusiasm and how to dirty talk. The rest is history. Not everyone has teachers.

Good Porn= Good Teacher

I think, but am not entirely sure, that this poster is thinking her porn belongs in a discussion of the word "fantastic" ?:confused: I have seen her efforts in the genre. Once.

I am with 2big regarding the best way to characterize a fantastic provider.

[2Big]

Agreed.

I was Out with Naughty America director Christian XXX, Lee Bang- agent/ performer since 03'.. and my legend bestie Sophie Dee... we pow wowed around dinner about the New Girls in The Biz.

Too categories for the tight young mouthwater knockouts: mechanical and quiet... and Boom:! The Next Big Thing! Energy, playful, sexy and dirty talk. Every director takes a Gamble for paying big money for their First Scene! .. (the First Reviews!) Its kinda like Hobbyiest who Take One For The Team. It could go way one or the other.

Ive worked with knockout providers.. two categories.. no three.. 1. Quiet as they have never seen porn n mommy didnt teach them how to give head 2. The Next Perfectly Reviewed Dynamite 3. Late n' High

So I agree, since 99.99 percent of guys have seen porn... 99.99% of guys might have different expectations from us little gals of what is GOOD SEX. We were raised watching "The Little Mermaid"... "Cinderella".. and have stars in our eyes when we are not taught by our mommies how to give good head. We think guys should be greatful we bat our eye lashes and giggle.

After loosing my virginity weeks before,porn star Misty Haze from COS.. looked me in the eyes.. took five minutes to explain enthusiasm and how to dirty talk. The rest is history. Not everyone has teachers.

Good Porn= Good Teacher

I didn't know "fantastic" included shilling your sagging porn career. Last thing I remember, you were supposed to buy a mansion in Beverly Hills with your "beau" "Lexington Steele". I guess that didn't work out.

[Guest RomaPhobos]

I look at it this way:

She let me poke her with my happy stick? Yep.

That exceeded my expectations.

You've got yourself a 'fantastic' in my book.

[Taylor Bookman]

And just how do you define "fantastic service"?

By how high off the ground I'm walking for the next few days.

[Guest NIKKILOVE]

That's a system I could live with. Similar to the Provider OKs of P411.

From A Provider's Side... I agree with this one.

I feel the whole "Review" is over rated. I provided for a while before I ever joined any of the "review boards". I always gave my idea of "great service" and still strive to do that. I have no bad reviews any where on me. In fact, one of my very first reviews.. I was given a "Yes", but the ROS to me, would have kept many from seeing me.. How ever, It did not. It actually increased business, because now I was proven to be "safe/honest/clean/etc...". I thought the review's would be great...but I have come to feel that I could care less if I get them or not. But do appreciate them greatly when some one takes the time to write one.

That is why so many of us love P411. You have the choice to see us, and the okay's, let us know you are legit. It is a very simple system there.

I have also read on other sites and heard from other ladies how there are so many "fake" reviewers out there who are giving ladies the good reviews in exchange for services, and because the handle is a well known or respected one on a board no one questions it. It is really sad. It also can cause some one to spend a lot of money on some one who may not make them happy.

I wonder.... as long as the lady is safe/honest in all aspects, from attitude to location, how bad of a time can it really be when you are with her? You visit with us to have a relaxing/good time. If you go in expecting too much, or you go in "searching" for the things she did not do, you will lose sight of the things she did do to make you happy..

Relax.. and have fun.

[2Big]

I wonder.... as long as the lady is safe/honest in all aspects, from attitude to location, how bad of a time can it really be when you are with her? You visit with us to have a relaxing/good time. If you go in expecting too much, or you go in "searching" for the things she did not do, you will lose sight of the things she did do to make you happy

This is the perfect definition of an average session and does not belong in a discussion of what constitutes a fantastic one.

[Bit Banger]

.... as long as the lady is safe/honest in all aspects, from attitude to location, how bad of a time can it really be when you are with her? You visit with us to have a relaxing/good time. ...

This is the perfect definition of an average session ...

Yep - An excellent definition. Honest, safe, no great sparks, no disasters, just a relaxing time.

... does not belong in a discussion of what constitutes a fantastic one.

Actually, I think it does belong in this discussion. It provides a baseline, a contrast.

[2Big]

Actually, I think it does belong in this discussion. It provides a baseline, a contrast.

True.

I also note a kind of downward movement of what constitutes great sessions.

Next thing you know, it'll be: She showed up! A fantastic session! She looked like her pics! Session was out of this world! She didn't have a dick! I was blown away!

Let's call it a form of grade compression.

[pfunk]

The problem with trying to define fantastic is:

Guy #1 - "Fantastic" means she sucked like a hoover, fucked like a buckin bronco, made me feel like a million, gave me a discount, had a biig ass, and could sing like Mariah Carey!

Guy # 2 - "Fantastic" means she looked like an anorexic Jennfier Lopez, let me kiss her lightly, gave decent TF, was very passive and easygoing, and told me I was a nice guy.

It's subjective. What makes my session "fantastic", may make yours "not good".

[Guest NIKKILOVE]

True.

I also note a kind of downward movement of what constitutes great sessions.

Next thing you know, it'll be: She showed up! A fantastic session! She looked like her pics! Session was out of this world! She didn't have a dick! I was blown away!

Let's call it a form of grade compression.

Well, you took it the wrong way if you are implying that.

[ Snip ]

What I was adding to another post, is that, a lot of men, especially "newbies", show up with out reading any reviews, with out doing any research, and they have this "allusion" in their head of what they want to happen. A LOT of the times, they have it all planned out in their head, and when the time comes.. Their HOUR appointment turns in to 15 minutes, because they lost control, and all their "plans" went to hell.

Now, with that being said... Does that mean the gal was "fantastic"...

It may.. but I personally would not even want the review from him. Why?

Because, he will most likely say "yes", just because he got off... Now, he never got to do what he WANTED because he was over excited about the whole "fantasy" he had, so he really did not get what he came for.. and even with time remaining, he chose to leave early.

He may give a "no" review.. for the same reasons as he could give a yes, but with a "no", it would be unfair to the provider, because she was not able to do much within the time limit HE gave her.

What I was saying, or trying to say.. IS, as far as a review goes, you should never give much thought to another's "opinion" of a providers skills. She may have not rocked HIS world, and if she did not, more than likely some thing made her not able to do so. BUT, YOU may get the ride of your fucking life... THAT is what I am saying.

Edited August 13, 2012 by boink36
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[boink36]

The problem with trying to define fantastic is:

Guy #1 - "Fantastic" means she sucked like a hoover, fucked like a buckin bronco, made me feel like a million, gave me a discount, had a biig ass, and could sing like Mariah Carey!

Guy # 2 - "Fantastic" means she looked like an anorexic Jennfier Lopez, let me kiss her lightly, gave decent TF, was very passive and easygoing, and told me I was a nice guy.

It's subjective. What makes my session "fantastic", may make yours "not good".

You forgot #3...........

Guy # 3 - "Fantastic" means I'm going to kiss every ass long and hard looking for deals and discounts.

These guys are easy to spot. they have 10 or 20 reviews and they are

100% fantastic, half of them are for the same provider. this is my guess

the provider who gives the best discount for fantastic reviews. all this

does is bait the trap for the next guy, who pays a premium price for an

extremely average session.