Posted May 1, 2016 51 minutes ago, gr8owl said: It is not a matter for me of some check list of activities that needs to occur. Every lady is different and every experience is different, and I get that - hell it is even partly the point. But ....... here comes the really BIG but ........... SOME form of stimulation is required. It could be light kissing. It could be helping disrobe. It could be a little playful groping. Could be hj or TF or UTF. But there are some ladies out there with ads that make big claims relative to levels of enjoyment, skills etc. and reviews that tend to support, yet when you get there it is like trying to make love to the "bubble boy" (The kid with no immune system that is in plastic covered isolation.) And like it is SIRI in the flesh for all the more emotion and enthusiasm. No kissing, no fingers, no DATY, no even touching without cover, "ewww. get that off yourself, I might get some on my fingers!", etc. For the record i always show up immaculate in terms of hygiene, so that is no excuse. Looks, well can't help that!! But it would sure be nice to know ahead of time if the lady is going to be Nurse No, get yourself going, gimme money and get out. So, no specific list needed, but act like you enjoy your job and want to be there or get another job. (Not directed at you personally of course). And an accurate list of possible activities would at least give SOME idea of what is ahead. Munities! What's the hell are munities?!?! (Bubble Boy reference, not Boy in the Plastic Bubble). It's not really about checking off the list but why is there a need for a list in the first place? If there are reviews and/or a website are the beforehand questions really needed? The only universal truth in this business is that your mileage may very. Hygiene is just the easiest go to explanation, sometimes you just don't click with people. Sometimes a dude wants to lick my face or put my mouth totally inside his mouth, some dudes suck at kissing, some guys say really stupid things during sessions or go at the kitty with a dry hand. There are so many reasons that a session may not be what (it's presumed to be) it should be and so many of those reasons aren't going to be known until you meet someone. I think most ladies whether purposefully or not give a good indication of what time with them might be like. There are some ads that might as well say "Fuck You Pay Me" and others that are quite inviting and give the indication that they're having a good time too. There are so many clues and one does not have to be Sherlock Holmes level observational to find them. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 1, 2016 50 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said: I think most ladies whether purposefully or not give a good indication of what time with them might be like. There are some ads that might as well say "Fuck You Pay Me" and others that are quite inviting and give the indication that they're having a good time too. There are so many clues and one does not have to be Sherlock Holmes level observational to find them. Then perhaps you could screen ads for me in the future?? LOL Or at least an instructional class Ms. Kitten - I am sure there would be lots of eager students! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 Sorry Gr8owl, but Lucy is correct on this. I think the OP was asking, how do you ask for the things on the menu, or that they have read in reviews? Well you can ask questions, but until we meet there is no guarantee you will be served everything on the menu. Cleanliness is only a part of it!! I love DFK, with great kissers. It won't happen if you have alcohol on your breath, bad teeth, bad breath, ashtray mouth, or a rough beard. It won't happen if you do something lizard tongue like. It won't happen, like Lucy said, if you try to eat my face. Or if you do something like try to lick the inside of my nostril. FIV is a tough one. You may think it is no big deal, but really it is. Fingernails and under them hold some fairly nasty bacteria that many women are sensitive to. Some ladies may offer A2M. You can be super clean. However, if your ass hair is so long you can braid it and put beads in it Another common thing you men can have is moist dermatitis in the groin area and creases of that area. This is a pet peeve. You guys need to check that shit in the mirror. I notice most in guys that exercise a bunch or heavier men, because of sweat. It is a skin yeast. Wash away guys, but you need to get a script for it. I will NOT lick or put my face near that. Bad habits like throwing back a beer, while I am giving you a BJ is a no no. Chewing gum frantically during sex is a no no. There are so many things that will shrink that menu. Personality will empty my menu faster than anything. A bad personality will turn me 3G faster than anything. A really bad personality, I am doing doggy style and going to my happy place. Asking questions, does not guarantee the menu. A provider may enjoy the items on her menu, just maybe not with everyone. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 38 minutes ago, Kashmir said: Sorry Gr8owl, but Lucy is correct on this. I think the OP was asking, how do you ask for the things on the menu, or that they have read in reviews? Well you can ask questions, but until we meet there is no guarantee you will be served everything on the menu. Cleanliness is only a part of it!! I love DFK, with great kissers. It won't happen if you have alcohol on your breath, bad teeth, bad breath, ashtray mouth, or a rough beard. It won't happen if you do something lizard tongue like. It won't happen, like Lucy said, if you try to eat my face. Or if you do something like try to lick the inside of my nostril. FIV is a tough one. You may think it is no big deal, but really it is. Fingernails and under them hold some fairly nasty bacteria that many women are sensitive to. Some ladies may offer A2M. You can be super clean. However, if your ass hair is so long you can braid it and put beads in it Another common thing you men can have is moist dermatitis in the groin area and creases of that area. This is a pet peeve. You guys need to check that shit in the mirror. I notice most in guys that exercise a bunch or heavier men, because of sweat. It is a skin yeast. Wash away guys, but you need to get a script for it. I will NOT lick or put my face near that. Bad habits like throwing back a beer, while I am giving you a BJ is a no no. Chewing gum frantically during sex is a no no. There are so many things that will shrink that menu. Personality will empty my menu faster than anything. A bad personality will turn me 3G faster than anything. A really bad personality, I am doing doggy style and going to my happy place. Asking questions, does not guarantee the menu. A provider may enjoy the items on her menu, just maybe not with everyone. Sorry, you are both missing the point. Some ads are intentionally misleading. I fully understand why you can't list activities. I fully understand why different client interactions lead to different menu items. I even fully understand that some days you may be into things you won't be the next - me too!! And I fully understand why the guy last week that looks like a young Brad Pitt may have an easier time coaxing certain behaviors than I and it is STUPID to feel entitled to the exact same things he enjoyed. What you and Lucy do not appear to wish to acknowledge is that there is a certain percentage of providers that will suck you in with advertising that suggests a willingness to do just about everything when in reality there is an unwillingness to do almost anything - regardless of who the client is. It really is too bad we can't all do the trading places movie theme and get the other side's perspective first hand. I know what the OP was asking - i was responding to what Lucy was saying " The majority of the time people are going to get what they want". My point is that with SOME providers there is no chance going in of getting anything resembling a reasonable expectation based upon their ads, websites and even sometimes reviews - and it does not matter who it is that walks through their door. The fingers thing makes me laugh. I realize under the nails can harbor lots of things (yes, i clean there too - really!) and per one of the comments in this chain dry finger jamming sounds like pain and no fun and why would you - BUT, I was recently told hell no on DATY or kissing, etc. but OK fine on finger insertion (HER suggestion) except she had a cow when I tried to moisten fingers first "Oh my God go wash your hands" So sometimes it is just damn hard to know what to do with new ladies. My mind reading abilities are really bad. To be honest, sometimes in the heat of moment i tend to do things or want to do things on the basis of my personal knowledge about me - which is that i have zero nasty diseases or conditions to give you (based upon testing, not wishful thinking) so I am driven by what I think will feel best to us both - forgetting for the moment you have no way of knowing about me what I do and no reason to believe it if I told you cause every jackass through the door would say the same thing. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, gr8owl said: BUT, I was recently told hell no on DATY or kissing, etc. but OK fine on finger insertion (HER suggestion) except she had a cow when I tried to moisten fingers first "Oh my God go wash your hands" So sometimes it is just damn hard to know what to do with new ladies. My mind reading abilities are really bad. To be honest, sometimes in the heat of moment i tend to do things or want to do things on the basis of my personal knowledge about me - which is that i have zero nasty diseases or conditions to give you (based upon testing, not wishful thinking) so I am driven by what I think will feel best to us both - forgetting for the moment you have no way of knowing about me what I do and no reason to believe it if I told you cause every jackass through the door would say the same thing. Oh, I just did some reading on the other side of this board. I am in Europe for vacation soon, so I am tossing caution to the wind Gr8owl, many many of our younger ladies are wonderful at handling more mature men. That being said, some may have a harder time with the "ick" factor when a man 30 or 40 years her senior comes a knocking. I think with age we learn how to fake it better. Paid professional or not, these YL's have to get used to being with older men. Do remember most of you guys are older than their parents. Or I could be completely wrong, and a 40 year old escort just didn't want you touching her. Don't say we don't get the perspective from the other side, the empathetic escorts completely know how hard it is for some of you to walk in the door. That is why we are here for you all!! Edited May 2, 2016 by Kashmir 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 24 minutes ago, gr8owl said: Sorry, you are both missing the point. Some ads are intentionally misleading. <snipped a whole lot of whining> We are men of action. Captains of Finance and Industry. Whining does not become us. Can I just say I agree with your first point. Yes: there are scam artists out there. I have met one. I can get tempted by good copy and great tit pix, just like the next guy. So, I feel your pain. But can we just agree there are some scam artists....and move on to what is really being discussed here? I remember my first time. I was 18. She was just going in for the BJ. I blew. Not very satisfying for either of us. Fortunately, I recovered quicker in those days. I think that, at least for me, the first time with a provider is like that. I'm a naturally insecure guy, so I worry about and try to take care of all the ettiquette and hygiene issues one reads about here. I know that is all I have going for me. Beyond that, the first time with a provider is a lot like real life. It doesn't matter if "she's supposed to be a pro" or not. She is a human being having sex with a stranger, just like you are. And that is where the danger of expectations lies. A lot of these ladies will suck it up and do their damndest, despite the fact they are not enjoying it. But I imagine it is difficult. And this is not an oil change or valve job...where quality can be measured. It is much more personal. Can I ask a question? Those ladies that did not "deliver." Did you ever go back to see them a second or third time? See, this is where it gets tough. Many times, good sex between people takes multiple efforts. I can remember an ATF telling me on our first date: "I want to learn what pleases you." Most providers who are trying to do a good job want this too...they just don't vocalize it so plainly. That first time was good. Each succeeding time got better. There are a lot of wonderful, beautiful ladies out there to choose from. And I like "strange" as much as the next guy. But I can also, now, understand the draw of a regular thing....increased intimacy. So, when you read a review, you have to weigh in the possibility that this is a longer term relationship...not a first session. Let the session flow as it will. And, If you did not get everything you wanted, you have a decision to make. If there were enough things you enjoyed about her...schedule a return visit. Or not. The choice is up to you. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Bit Banger said: There's a section on P411 designed for just this purpose. Unfortunately, many ladies don't bother to look at it, even when using P411 to book the appointment. When they do bother, the quality of our time together is improved. Yes, I have some info listed on my P411 account. For guys that don't have a P411 account, or ladies that don't, a "guys" web site could be helpful. It does't have to all be about what the guy "hopes or expects" from his date like Lucy is fixated on. It can also be about issues they guy has come across in the past. Age, weight, body hair, disabilities. Or Health items, diabetes, pace makers,...... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, Laplace said: We are men of action. Captains of Finance and Industry. Whining does not become us. Can I just say I agree with your first point. Yes: there are scam artists out there. I have met one. I can get tempted by good copy and great tit pix, just like the next guy. So, I feel your pain. But can we just agree there are some scam artists....and move on to what is really being discussed here? I remember my first time. I was 18. She was just going in for the BJ. I blew. Not very satisfying for either of us. Fortunately, I recovered quicker in those days. I think that, at least for me, the first time with a provider is like that. I'm a naturally insecure guy, so I worry about and try to take care of all the ettiquette and hygiene issues one reads about here. I know that is all I have going for me. Beyond that, the first time with a provider is a lot like real life. It doesn't matter if "she's supposed to be a pro" or not. She is a human being having sex with a stranger, just like you are. And that is where the danger of expectations lies. A lot of these ladies will suck it up and do their damndest, despite the fact they are not enjoying it. But I imagine it is difficult. And this is not an oil change or valve job...where quality can be measured. It is much more personal. Can I ask a question? Those ladies that did not "deliver." Did you ever go back to see them a second or third time? See, this is where it gets tough. Many times, good sex between people takes multiple efforts. I can remember an ATF telling me on our first date: "I want to learn what pleases you." Most providers who are trying to do a good job want this too...they just don't vocalize it so plainly. That first time was good. Each succeeding time got better. There are a lot of wonderful, beautiful ladies out there to choose from. And I like "strange" as much as the next guy. But I can also, now, understand the draw of a regular thing....increased intimacy. So, when you read a review, you have to weigh in the possibility that this is a longer term relationship...not a first session. Let the session flow as it will. And, If you did not get everything you wanted, you have a decision to make. If there were enough things you enjoyed about her...schedule a return visit. Or not. The choice is up to you. Wow Laplace, are totally in touch with your feminine side or what? It's like you read my mind and probably a bunch of others. Well put my friend! It is true that sometimes we have a miss instead of a hit. Was it just a bad match, and the girl was super sweet and hot? It happens to us all. I like what was said in regard to time. Maybe time went by too fast, book her again for a follow up. You guys would be so surprised to know that a lot of guys either cum too fast or get so nervous they can't get an erection. The guys that call back a second time, always make up for the first time. I personally enjoy gettingto know what makes you feel good. I like the end result! As to the OP'S question...may I suggest that you go through the screening process and then ask questions. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) One thing we haven't mentioned about lists. There are things I like to do There are things that I'm willing to do if my partners want them There are things that I'm not willing to do There are things which I want to do With varying levels of interest in all of them. One factor in that level of interest is my comfort, with the environment, with the day, with my partners. I expect the same to be true for my partners. The congruence of my list (on that occasion) with my partners' (on that occasion) can be a major factor in my satisfaction with the situation. Take an extreme example, Greek. I enjoy it with an enthusiastic partner, not so much with someone who grudgingly offers it up, and don't really care if it's not on the menu. I remember a night when the stars aligned for a wonderful Greek session; we both went wild. In future get togethers the YL totally removed this from her menu. No big deal, we still had great times together. (Civilian btw.) I do understand the disappointment when an activity is frequently listed in a YL's public profile (ads, website, reviews), someone I've sought out because of this, but it's not on the menu. Not the end of the world, but a downer none the less. My point being that just because an activity is listed In my profile, does not mean that I want (need?) to partake in each & every session. Why should the ladies be any different? Edited May 2, 2016 by Bit Banger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Laplace said: We are men of action. Captains of Finance and Industry. Whining does not become us. Whining? Why Laplace, I am shocked and hurt. 34 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said: Wow Laplace, are totally in touch with your feminine side or what? It's like you read my mind and probably a bunch of others. Well put my friend! It is true that sometimes we have a miss instead of a hit. Was it just a bad match, and the girl was super sweet and hot? It happens to us all. I like what was said in regard to time. Maybe time went by too fast, book her again for a follow up. You guys would be so surprised to know that a lot of guys either cum too fast or get so nervous they can't get an erection. The guys that call back a second time, always make up for the first time. I personally enjoy gettingto know what makes you feel good. I like the end result! As to the OP'S question...may I suggest that you go through the screening process and then ask questions. All due respect Melissa cause your opinions are always the voice of reason, but ........ Laplace's feminine side notwithstanding, he was not there any of the times I describe and my point in what I was trying to describe is the occasional provider that completely misrepresents the facts - the facts being that no matter who walks through the door they are going to do the least possible, have an aversion to the whole concept except for the making money part and really should be in another line of work. You enjoy getting to know what makes a client feel good? I believe you and that means you, fine lady, are a gem. The exact opposite of what I was talking about. But in terms of repeat visits, things getting better with repeat visits - yes, by all means i usually do repeat and things usually get better and better. But when the attitude sucks or when they make it abundantly clear that the things you need in a session are simply NOT something they do, no it will not get better and repeating the visit is simply wasting time and money - repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome is what again?? And I believe the OP was asking how to figure out the latter - if the things he wants and needs are even possible with a given provider. Unfortunately the answer is go see and find out or ask and risk being hung up on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 3 hours ago, gr8owl said: Sorry, you are both missing the point. Some ads are intentionally misleading. I fully understand why you can't list activities. I fully understand why different client interactions lead to different menu items. I even fully understand that some days you may be into things you won't be the next - me too!! And I fully understand why the guy last week that looks like a young Brad Pitt may have an easier time coaxing certain behaviors than I and it is STUPID to feel entitled to the exact same things he enjoyed. What you and Lucy do not appear to wish to acknowledge is that there is a certain percentage of providers that will suck you in with advertising that suggests a willingness to do just about everything when in reality there is an unwillingness to do almost anything - regardless of who the client is. It really is too bad we can't all do the trading places movie theme and get the other side's perspective first hand. I know what the OP was asking - i was responding to what Lucy was saying " The majority of the time people are going to get what they want". My point is that with SOME providers there is no chance going in of getting anything resembling a reasonable expectation based upon their ads, websites and even sometimes reviews - and it does not matter who it is that walks through their door. The fingers thing makes me laugh. I realize under the nails can harbor lots of things (yes, i clean there too - really!) and per one of the comments in this chain dry finger jamming sounds like pain and no fun and why would you - BUT, I was recently told hell no on DATY or kissing, etc. but OK fine on finger insertion (HER suggestion) except she had a cow when I tried to moisten fingers first "Oh my God go wash your hands" So sometimes it is just damn hard to know what to do with new ladies. My mind reading abilities are really bad. To be honest, sometimes in the heat of moment i tend to do things or want to do things on the basis of my personal knowledge about me - which is that i have zero nasty diseases or conditions to give you (based upon testing, not wishful thinking) so I am driven by what I think will feel best to us both - forgetting for the moment you have no way of knowing about me what I do and no reason to believe it if I told you cause every jackass through the door would say the same thing. Not every client, provider or session is going to be a winner. You want some hints on how to screen ads? Do they promise the moon? Expect that promise to be broken. Does the ad read like they're Queen Elizabeth? They're actually more like Camila. "What you and Lucy do not appear to wish to acknowledge is that there is a certain percentage of providers that will suck you in with advertising that suggests a willingness to do just about everything when in reality there is an unwillingness to do almost anything - regardless of who the client is." See above. The harder a lady tries to sell it the less likely she is to come through as advertised. Ladies who promise everything and deliver less than advertised are often called out on it in reviews. Leaving breadcrumbs to the true nature of her business. I do acknowledge the point but the answer is still the same. There is information available to help you make a mostly informed decision. And as far as conversing with a lady beforehand to hopefully glean some knowledge, well it isn't likely they're going to be honest. There really isn't much you can do to avoid a stinker, this isn't an activity without risk or the ability to eliminate it completely. It's kinda like that candy ad "sometimes you get a nut and sometimes you don't" 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, gr8owl said: Laplace's feminine side notwithstanding, he was not there any of the times I describe and my point in what I was trying to describe is the occasional provider that completely misrepresents the facts - the facts being that no matter who walks through the door they are going to do the least possible, have an aversion to the whole concept except for the making money part and really should be in another line of work. Something you seem to be ignoring...you saw the provider once. You are claiming she's a liar, and cheater. However, you were not at any of her other appointments. She may have been a perfect GFE to a dozen other guys. For reasons unknown to you, you got the horrible appointment. We see this in the reviews sometimes. Six guys have great appointments, and the seventh guy has a bad one. He may even be a well known reviewer, with many positive reviews. We don't know why it happened, and probably never will. You pays your money, you takes your chances. Edited May 2, 2016 by pfunk 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 13 hours ago, Kashmir said: Bad habits like throwing back a beer, while I am giving you a BJ is a no no. Now I know where I have gone wrong. I tried not using the YL's head as a coaster I never thought it was the beer itself that was an issue. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 56 minutes ago, pfunk said: ... For reasons unknown to you, you got the horrible appointment. ... We don't know why it happened, and probably never will. You pays your money, you takes your chances. It could be something as simple as she got cut off in traffic on the way to the appointment 😡, something more serious like an ill family member 😨, or maybe just that piece of spinach stuck to your teeth 😜. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, pfunk said: Something you seem to be ignoring...you saw the provider once. You are claiming she's a liar, and cheater. However, you were not at any of her other appointments. She may have been a perfect GFE to a dozen other guys. For reasons unknown to you, you got the horrible appointment. We see this in the reviews sometimes. Six guys have great appointments, and the seventh guy has a bad one. He may even be a well known reviewer, with many positive reviews. We don't know why it happened, and probably never will. You pays your money, you takes your chances. First off, one last time, I was not talking about one experience. And cheater and liar are your words not mine. And for the experiences I reference, there was no question about what was going on. I cannot make it any clearer, yet many want to jump to conclusions based upon their experiences rather than my clear description. Shrug .... done trying. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2, 2016 11 hours ago, gr8owl said: ... my point in what I was trying to describe is the occasional provider that completely misrepresents the facts - the facts being that no matter who walks through the door they are going to do the least possible, have an aversion to the whole concept except for the making money part and really should be in another line of work. ... Right! And do you think that someone with deceptive ads is going to be any more forthcoming on the phone? Reviews are you best answer before you make that investment, unless she's DNR. But pfunk & I both provided reasons for a YL to not be interested ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY. Hell, there have been plenty of days when I showed up at the office, but left my mind someplace else. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3, 2016 When you don't expect anything your more than liking gonna receive in the end and it's just an awesome feeling NOT knowing what lies ahead! Although her reviews should give you some type of lead way... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 4, 2016 Bottom line is, and Pfunk addressed this some time ago, unfortunately, you just cannot ask anything! You will be shut out by the provider, and shunned. Better to wait until you show up and everyone is comfy to discuss what you would like, but even then, be prepared to possibly be rejected, or told no. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 5, 2016 Some of the best posts I've seen! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 6, 2016 On 4/26/2016 at 4:26 PM, BadLeroyBrown said: So I've had issues for years addressing certain concerns for request before I arrived at a providers incall, only to arrive to be told certain items were not on menu. If a provider has reviews sometimes you can piece-meal something together from there, but what can be done in the instance that there are no reviews? Is there a tactful way to address these things without having to drive half across town to only be disappointed is my question... "open minded" apparently doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. Lol How about shut the fuck up and surrender to what the provider PROVIDES! Enjoy the unthinkable.....Lol 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 6, 2016 16 hours ago, Kandi Apple said: How about shut the fuck up and surrender to what the provider PROVIDES! Enjoy the unthinkable.....Lol With a lady of your caliber, possibly, but my dominant side tends to kick in, and then I want to "put in work" so to speak. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
