Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Laplace said: my personal experience is that they are about 7 to 10% of the provider population...... More than one kind, gentle, self-confident man has been turned into a bitter woman-hater. In my experience 90% of clients have been turned into bitter women haters, long before they even met their first escort. It is usually a girlfriend or wife that has destroyed any hopes and dreams, leaving many men stripped of their masculinity. There are certain men( I am not saying the OP is one) that get quite the ego burst thinking that an escort would choose them. How flattering it must be for some men to think."She has had so many men. I must be an amazing lover, good looking, and intelligent for her to like me." If she has truly taken you off the payroll, she should have told you then her desires for the friendship. Unless she is young, immature, and inexperienced. It does happen that you meet a special client, that you want off the payroll, because you see a valuable friendship. Valuable has nothing to do with money. It is a very rare connection. Again very rare, as any true relationship in life is. Now if you think this girl is falling for you, just ask her!! Don't ask a public forum. We are not mind readers or emotion readers, especially on hearsay. Edited March 7, 2016 by Kashmir missing text 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 7, 2016 On 3/4/2016 at 0:46 PM, inadifferentvoice said: So I have a regular girl that I see. Anywhere from once or twice a week to once or twice a month. Depends. At first there was no kissing let alone DFK, BJ's were covered and it was almost 3 G type of deal. Recently, she started DFK, BBBJ's to the point of asking me to get a drink with her. We've gone out a few times, we revealed each other's real names and had sex with no cash involved in the traditional sense of the hobby. Fortunately I'm not married. But I think she likes me....How often does this happen? I'm flabbergasted. 10 hours ago, inadifferentvoice said: I have not paid her...besides paying for our dates. It's not like she's demanding for me to be a sugar daddy...Maybe I'm not old enough to be a sugar daddy and at her age, I'll never be old enough to be a sugar daddy...In the traditional sense. Whatever that means. Not everyone who does this hobby is 45, bald, and fat. Some of us are single, in our 30's, athletic as fuck with hard bodies with awesome hair. Laplace, with that name, I hope you know what a Laplace transform is. LOL! I'm confused. Your first post seemed to indicate that things started off as a traditional hobby relationship (one where the provider gets paid). But that the relationship had changed, and you had moved on to traditional dating. Then in a later post you say you "have not paid her," except paying for the dates. Are you trying to rewrite your history with her? To one in which you were a traditional couple all along? I'm not trying to be an asshole. But it seems like you are starting to let the fantasy bleed over into your real life, and I think you are headed for a fall. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, pejo said: I'm confused. Your first post seemed to indicate that things started off as a traditional hobby relationship (one where the provider gets paid). But that the relationship had changed, and you had moved on to traditional dating. Then in a later post you say you "have not paid her," except paying for the dates. Are you trying to rewrite your history with her? To one in which you were a traditional couple all along? I'm not trying to be an asshole. But it seems like you are starting to let the fantasy bleed over into your real life, and I think you are headed for a fall. Age is only a number. I know young man who is 22 years old, his yearly income is around 500,000. Edited March 7, 2016 by Nikki Holiday 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 7, 2016 36 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said: Age is only a number. I know young man who is 22 years old, his yearly income is around 500,000. How does he feel about older guys? LOL. I kid, I kid. Perhaps a smart-ass font too! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, gr8owl said: How does he feel about older guys? LOL. I kid, I kid. Perhaps a smart-ass font too! WOW!!!! lol 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 7, 2016 4 hours ago, gr8owl said: How does he feel about older guys? LOL. I kid, I kid. Perhaps a smart-ass font too! I'm no thelogian...but I'd say you are going to hell 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 I'm not particularly looking for a relationship in this business but I'm not opposed to it either! LOL! Yes great hair. Baldness does not run in our families. If it did, I would go bald instead of pulling of Trump wig! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 Laplace, oh yes...Differential equations. I remember when I took my first diff. eqn. class. Laplace transforms and what not. I took and I liked better (in a sick way) partial differential equations. Up to this day I still find them challenging. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 1 minute ago, inadifferentvoice said: Laplace, oh yes...Differential equations. I remember when I took my first diff. eqn. class. Laplace transforms and what not. I took and I liked better (in a sick way) partial differential equations. Up to this day I still find them challenging. You are a sick, sick man! If I never hear the phrase Difeq again, I will die a happy man! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kashmir said: There are certain men( I am not saying the OP is one) that get quite the ego burst thinking that an escort would choose them. How flattering it must be for some men to think."She has had so many men. I must be an amazing lover, good looking, and intelligent for her to like me." Hmmm... Amazing lover has never popped into my head... Maybe amazing cuddler, amazing provider of laughs, interesting conversationalist... But never amazing lover. Unless, one considers the amazing lover part coming from the heart or mind... Then I am amazing. ;-) By the way, I am with gr8owl on the 22 year old making 500k. I can be influenced. :-) Edited March 8, 2016 by Riggo 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, Riggo said: Hmmm... Amazing lover has never popped into my head... Maybe amazing cuddler, amazing provider of laughs, interesting conversationalist... But never amazing lover. Unless, one considers the amazing lover part coming from the heart or mind... Then I am amazing. ;-) By the way, I am with gr8owl on the 22 year old making 500k. I can be influenced. :-) LOL...that one got a big chuckle outta me. Too funny. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 19 hours ago, inadifferentvoice said: Not everyone who does this hobby is 45, bald, and fat. Some of us are single, in our 30's, athletic as fuck with hard bodies with awesome hair. Hey!!! I am not bald!!!! If you are that hot, why are you paying for it? They should be lining up for you! Leave the ladies that are willing to see us old fat fucks alone and go find your own!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 13 hours ago, Laplace said: Indeed. When I was taking differential equations in college (if you are telling the truth about your age, this would have been about the time your folks were making you in the back seat of that Chevy stationwagon) I was told that the chances of my encountering a differential equation in my real job would be equal to my chances of being run down in the streets. It might happen. I was fortunate in that I landed in R&D. I get to use the Transform about once a year, now. LOL. So. You are young, fit, handsome, smart, and fairly well-to-do by the "hobby" you have selected. A deadly combination. Especially when combined with a high self-esteem. If I may don my mantle and grey beard for a moment, I would acknowledge that there ARE some wonderful women in this business. Indeed, I am fortunate to have met a few.....my personal experience is that they are about 7 to 10% of the provider population. But I would caution that there are also women in this business who have guys like you for breakfast every day, spit out the bones, and never look back. Guard your heart. Keep your eyes open and always ask: "why?". More than one kind, gentle, self-confident man has been turned into a bitter woman-hater. Differential equation.................... 12lb fish on 6lb test line, half full beer in left hand = (call for fishing partner to (hold beer) set drag and real)/finish beer. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 21 hours ago, inadifferentvoice said: I have not paid her...besides paying for our dates. It's not like she's demanding for me to be a sugar daddy...Maybe I'm not old enough to be a sugar daddy and at her age, I'll never be old enough to be a sugar daddy...In the traditional sense. Whatever that means. Not everyone who does this hobby is 45, bald, and fat. Some of us are single, in our 30's, athletic as fuck with hard bodies with awesome hair. Laplace, with that name, I hope you know what a Laplace transform is. LOL! I was seeing this gal for 2 years. We got close, and it started like your's. She left town and I tried to replace her, but not the same. So once a month I fly to her or fly her to me. She's never asked me for anything, but I started with her regular rate and have become more generous every time I see her. If you really like the time you spend with her, it's worth every penny! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 On March 7, 2016 at 11:26 PM, inadifferentvoice said: Whatever that means. Not everyone who does this hobby is 45, bald, and fat. Some of us are single, in our 30's, athletic as fuck with hard bodies with awesome hair. I'm speechless. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 8, 2016 5 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said: I'm speechless. Wow! Must have run out of vodka. ;-) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2016 On 3/7/2016 at 2:31 PM, B_randy said: I'm no thelogian...but I'd say you are going to hell Ouch. I don't even know what a thelogian is, but I am hurt! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2016 On 3/7/2016 at 8:08 AM, Kashmir said: Now if you think this girl is falling for you, just ask her!! Don't ask a public forum. We are not mind readers or emotion readers, especially on hearsay. Now just a minute little lady, we members excel at mind readin', assumin' and prejudicial meadow muffins. "We" don't need facts to give great advice .... do we? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) On 3/4/2016 at 0:46 PM, inadifferentvoice said: So I have a regular girl that I see. Anywhere from once or twice a week to once or twice a month. Depends. At first there was no kissing let alone DFK, BJ's were covered and it was almost 3 G type of deal. Recently, she started DFK, BBBJ's to the point of asking me to get a drink with her. We've gone out a few times, we revealed each other's real names and had sex with no cash involved in the traditional sense of the hobby. Fortunately I'm not married. But I think she likes me....How often does this happen? I'm flabbergasted. Congrats! What you are experiencing is a rare and wonderful thing -- as long as you keep your eyes wide open. I had my first "professional" encounter and lost my virginity on my 18th birthday. I've been seeing beautiful women around the world for over 45 years. In all that time I've fallen in either serious lust and genuine "like" with many interesting women. Only once, though, have an escort and I fallen completely for each other. We met in London and saw each other about every two months for over four years. We began traveling together and spending weekends together, both quickly confessing that our sexual relationship, though mind-blowing, paled by comparison with how we'd come to feel about each other. In the end, it just couldn't work out as she was not prepared to move to the US having a young son before being widowed, and, while I would have loved living in her home along the River Thames near Oxford, I couldn't run my US business from the UK, and, sadly, money trumped love. Eventually we decided to go our separate ways, but she remains just about the fondest memory in a life hopefully well-lived. You can try the "blinders on" approach and go along for the ride, though I'd wager she will tell you if she wants something more than you have now. Or, you can be open with her about your feelings. "Flabbergasted" is a good place to start, assuming you like her. Confess that to her and she will quickly change the dynamic of your relationship -- for better or worse. At least you will know! I'd go for it. [My first post as a new member. I've been on TER for a long time and am an original member of "punternet" in the UK, for those who may know of it.] Edited March 9, 2016 by zeusreturns small note about first posting 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 On March 8, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Riggo said: Wow! Must have run out of vodka. ;-) Nahhh... I was just getting started. JK 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 The nature of escorting is for beautiful ladies to use their good looks and services to get $ from people who for whatever reasons want this kind of thing, which is an overwhelming large part of the population. Sure this reality may require the type of mind set where escorts are trying to get as much $ as possible for doing the least amount of work, but I certaintly wouldnt try to demonize all escorts as they are generally beautiful ladies who probably would prefer to find another line of work if they had their finances taken care of and are looking for a way out of having sex with "fat old bald men" for a few hundred dollars which the most obvious ways are meeting a suitor or having one of their friends/ clients help them out, but their line of work tends to push away most normal avenues. As a real life example I tried to date/ work with a beautiful young lady but "trying to help her" get up enough $ to not have to do this kind of thing (as she has said she never wants to do it again but continues posting BP adds lol) and have ended up "wasting" a lot of $ and getting a little in return from the traditional perspective. Ive spent maybe 20k since last september and finally have gotten a decent work partner but the dating has fallen by the wayside as I decided I didnt really want a "rental girlfriend" after about a month and didnt want to try to pressure her into anything. From all my hardwork and help, she has dropped down from 10-20 BP adds a month to 2-3 since we started and at this point we dont even hook up anymore just kind of work together. I know I could pretty much hook up with her any time I try but it feels sleezy to me and Id rather wait until she hopefully decides to stop doing escorting for good, and be with me... if that day ever comes, but in the meantime we act like husband and wife via text msgs but barely kiss in person. As bad as this all sounds I am very happy with the situation because Ive gotten a good work partner, to spend time with a model who has as beautiful as any, and gotten to help she doesnt need have to have sex for $ as much, which is one of the main reasons Ive tried to keep my hands off her, but I'm sure many critics have and would say all kinds of pessimistic negative things like she is a vampire and I am being ripped off, but I honestly feel this may be my future wife so imo a small price to pay and she is helping me make $ so lately has proven to be a valuable and hard worker, and if I never get anything out of it, being able to help and spend time with such a wonderful young lady is a gift in itself. But at the start she was getting alot of money with doing almost no work and didnt seem to have a problem doing this lol...but take the good with the bad I guess. And I am young male model type who makes a 20k a month for what its worth... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 1 hour ago, TooHot said: but I'm sure many critics have and would say all kinds of pessimistic negative things like she is a vampire and I am being ripped off, but I honestly feel this may be my future wife so imo a small price to pay... And I am young male model type who makes a 20k a month for what its worth... Yes indeed. Wife prices are higher. Ex-wife prices? Well I'm sure 20k a month is a good place to start. Ah, to be a young, rich, male model type again.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 Sadly for me, the problem of having a provider fall for me is one I've never had to deal with. Sorry I couldn't help. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 7 hours ago, TooHot said: And I am young male model type who makes a 20k a month for what its worth... This board is suddenly full of young, beautiful men. Did I log into Grindr by accident (again!)? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, pejo said: This board is suddenly full of young, beautiful men. Did I log into Grindr by accident (again!)? And overflowing with cash and humility as well. I know I'm certainly "cooler online...." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 12, 2016 I'm an older guy who knows my "good looks" days are in the past, so I don't have to worry about a younger lady being interested in a romantic relationship with me. However, women of all types appeal to me which is why I enjoy the hobby. Most encounters I've had have been bunches of fun and there is no illusion that it will go further than some fun times. I'm not interested in another "relationship" following a gut wrenching divorce from a wife of many years. This hobby has filled a need for me and scratches an itch of mine for sex with a variety of ladies. What has been most interesting is that after seeing a number of ladies over the past 4 years, there are a handful who have become friends. And so far, we've been able to combine business with pleasure and keep appropriate boundaries. With some, we've just hung out or just had coffee or just had lunch and talked. I completely acknowledge the business side of this hobby, but also enjoy that, for me, it can also be about 2 (or more) people having a good time. I appreciate the ladies I have met, the shared pleasure and also the friendships that have occurred. Not sure if this post is completely "on topic", but this thread has caused me to think about what I get from this hobby, what my expectations are (and aren't) and I hope to continue to play and have fun with the lovely ladies I see. Oh, and don't forget....I think Monday is National Steak and Blowjob day. And this weekend Daylight Savings Time starts. Guess which one I appreciate more. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2016 I have had it happen in a couple of different ways. I recently just had to let go of a regular that I had a four year relationship with. He just couldn't keep business business, and personal personal. It got to the point, I was spending days at a time with him for free. All I have to sell is my time, and when somebody disrespects that it's unfortunate. On the other hand, I recently met a man, who sees me once or twice a week. The first time I met him, I was head over heels. We clicked in every way! I had butterflies for crying out loud! But I came to the realization, that I'm from one world, and he's from another. In the end things would probably end badly. So I'd rather have him in my life, then not have him in my life. So I keep things business. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, AnaBeau said: But I came to the realization, that I'm from one world, and he's from another. yeah, those are tough. Edited March 15, 2016 by Raoul image 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
