Hello TOB new and need advice

[pejo]

PeteSetter: Maybe before you start worrying about how you are going to get all these references, you could first focus on having a couple of good experiences. You seem nervous, so why not do something easier first? As someone else suggested, you could start with FBSM. Seriously. No pressure there at all, and you get to just lay back, relax and enjoy the whole thing. There are some GREAT providers who do it and many don't require much screening at all (they have a somewhat different risk profile than FS providers). LE risk is different for you as well. I can PM you some names if you like.

[Guest]

On February 10, 2016 at 5:57 AM, contrails said:

 

Yep.  I've been burned by this from a provider who works out of LoDo and Interlocken

Im very sorry this happened to you. 

13 hours ago, Laplace said:

The sad thing is, when this happens, you are the one to suffer the financial and relationship damage. The provider suffers few, if any, consequences. If word gets around that a provider has done this to clients, all she has to do is announce her retirement, disappear for a month, and then reappear under a new name.  Now she is free to keep earning, and keep terrorizing clients.

 

If you boys here in Denver all/most of you teamed up together, like the boys do on ECCIE in Texas, these girls would learn to stop it.

Escorts who are terrorizing/harassment towards clients are committing a crime. 

3 hours ago, contrails said:

So true. I posted a review on another board and I had gotten several pm's from guys who had the exact same problem with her. She was on a hiatus but I see she is back.

Im not sure who your talking about. But now I'm wondering if we have the same stalker. Please check your pm, and I'm going to look on the other boards.  

[pejo]

13 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Escorts who are terrorizing/harassment towards clients are committing a crime. 

Nikki is killing it with the one-liners tonight!

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

 

If you boys here in Denver all/most of you teamed up together, like the boys do on ECCIE in Texas, these girls would learn to stop it.

Escorts who are terrorizing/harassment towards clients are committing a crime. 

 

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, but sometimes it is easier to just move on.  The one truth I have discovered about our little world here is that justice is only served by Karma.  I can't make it happen, and neither can you, no matter how long we fight.

Karma's wheels of justince grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

And so, after my troubles, I pouted, felt sorry for myself, and then let it go.  I'm a wiser man as a result of it.

Besides, I'm here to make love, not war.  I'd rather fuck than fight.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nikki Holiday said:

 

Escorts who are terrorizing/harassment towards clients are committing a crime. 

 

I'm pretty sure the ones who aren't terrorizing/harassing clients are committing a crime as well. At least in most states. 

So when is someone going to PM me who this provider is? 

Edited February 12, 2016 by easyfriend33

[contrails]

3 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Im very sorry this happened to you. 

If you boys here in Denver all/most of you teamed up together, like the boys do on ECCIE in Texas, these girls would learn to stop it.

Escorts who are terrorizing/harassment towards clients are committing a crime. 

Im not sure who your talking about. But now I'm wondering if we have the same stalker. Please check your pm, and I'm going to look on the other boards.  

Thanks and message sent 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, contrails said:

Thanks and message sent 

I already did my own research, we do not have the same stalker. 

[pitbull]

18 hours ago, pejo said:

PeteSetter: Maybe before you start worrying about how you are going to get all these references, you could first focus on having a couple of good experiences. You seem nervous, so why not do something easier first? As someone else suggested, you could start with FBSM. Seriously. No pressure there at all, and you get to just lay back, relax and enjoy the whole thing. There are some GREAT providers who do it and many don't require much screening at all (they have a somewhat different risk profile than FS providers). LE risk is different for you as well. I can PM you some names if you like.

I'd have to agree with Pejo...as long as you're not so big that a normal massage table can't hold you. That's not meant to be an insult, but some tables are stronger than others. As for being fat, well, providers have dealt with all body types. If you are scrubbed to within an inch of your life, they will not mind if your money is green. 

As for being nervous, well, that's a tough one. I began with AMPs, and progressed from there. I have only had seven full-on FS sessions in seven years (one per year) but probably once a month for FBSM.  In that first session, the key was to start kissing.  From there, it progressed naturally because she was an expert at playing the part of the girlfriend -- she took it from there and pretty soon my cock was sliding into her mouth. 

With that woman, who was highly recommended to me as "sane," I just gave her some personal information. I was naive, perhaps, but I truly believe that 99% of these women are not interested in ruining our lives. And yeah, I realize that the other 1% can be pure fucking hell. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, pitbull said:

I'd have to agree with Pejo...as long as you're not so big that a normal massage table can't hold you. That's not meant to be an insult, but some tables are stronger than others. As for being fat, well, providers have dealt with all body types. If you are scrubbed to within an inch of your life, they will not mind if your money is green. 

As for being nervous, well, that's a tough one. I began with AMPs, and progressed from there. I have only had seven full-on FS sessions in seven years (one per year) but probably once a month for FBSM.  In that first session, the key was to start kissing.  From there, it progressed naturally because she was an expert at playing the part of the girlfriend -- she took it from there and pretty soon my cock was sliding into her mouth. 

With that woman, who was highly recommended to me as "sane," I just gave her some personal information. I was naive, perhaps, but I truly believe that 99% of these women are not interested in ruining our lives. And yeah, I realize that the other 1% can be pure fucking hell. 

They ruin our lives and they ruin their business!  It is clearly not a long term strategy for success!

[pitbull]

16 hours ago, Riggo said:

They ruin our lives and they ruin their business!  It is clearly not a long term strategy for success!

That's true, Riggo, but the bat-shit crazy (BSC) ladies (1 percenters) have no "long-term strategy." 

[pfunk]

32 minutes ago, Laplace said:

I have a point to make, but don't want to do so without the data.  Your "collection" intrigues me.

If she has a list at all, it's probably less than 10 girls.

She admits she's trusting the word of guys, and girls, who claim to have been outed. That's certainly not "proof".

If she triuly has it, it's very sketchy info, that comes from criminals (yes, we are ALL criminals here).

[Guest]

2 hours ago, pfunk said:

If she has a list at all, it's probably less than 10 girls.

She admits she's trusting the word of guys, and girls, who claim to have been outed. That's certainly not "proof".

If she triuly has it, it's very sketchy info, that comes from criminals (yes, we are ALL criminals here).

Dammit , Pfunk, you stole my thunder!

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

I have list of Denver escorts/fbsm providers who have outed clients or providers sometimes they have even outed both. Its 7% and not 1%. The list is growing. The 7% are all BSC. They all are well known, and even highly reviewed. 

^^^^THIS^^^^ 

Its 7% and not 1%.  I based % on Denver metro and sournding area Escorts and fbsm providers. This list doesn't include touring girls because iv never heard of them outing clients or providers. 

 

 

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, pfunk said:

If she has a list at all, it's probably less than 10 girls.

She admits she's trusting the word of guys, and girls, who claim to have been outed. That's certainly not "proof".

If she triuly has it, it's very sketchy info, that comes from criminals (yes, we are ALL criminals here).

I would not presume to call Nikki a liar by saying she has no list or that it is far shorter than she says.  But chances of seeing it seems about on par with seeing a unicorn or getting photo bombed by big foot.  I understand why such lists may not be proper fodder for public posting - kinda.  But why keep harping about having one and "everyone knows so and so did *fill in blank evil jacked up thing*  unless the one making the statements is willing to at least share in pm's?  I find it ironic and humorous to the extreme that "we" fascinate over whether Bambi Bangs Alot is 20 pounds or 5 years past what she claims and rant about it in reviews, but if she is truly bat shit crazy (stop right there Luce, not saying any but small minority are) and might ruin your life then mum is the word other than vague innuendo. Subject of prior post or two "she whose name none may say". 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

I would not presume to call Nikki a liar by saying she has no list or that it is far shorter than she says.  But chances of seeing it seems about on par with seeing a unicorn or getting photo bombed by big foot.  I understand why such lists may not be proper fodder for public posting - kinda.  But why keep harping about having one and "everyone knows so and so did *fill in blank evil jacked up thing*  unless the one making the statements is willing to at least share in pm's?  I find it ironic and humorous to the extreme that "we" fascinate over whether Bambi Bangs Alot is 20 pounds or 5 years past what she claims and rant about it in reviews, but if she is truly bat shit crazy (stop right there Luce, not saying any but small minority are) and might ruin your life then mum is the word other than vague innuendo. Subject of prior post or two "she whose name none may say". 

^friggin' 10!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

I would not presume to call Nikki a liar by saying she has no list or that it is far shorter than she says.  But chances of seeing it seems about on par with seeing a unicorn or getting photo bombed by big foot.  I understand why such lists may not be proper fodder for public posting - kinda.  But why keep harping about having one and "everyone knows so and so did *fill in blank evil jacked up thing*  unless the one making the statements is willing to at least share in pm's?  I find it ironic and humorous to the extreme that "we" fascinate over whether Bambi Bangs Alot is 20 pounds or 5 years past what she claims and rant about it in reviews, but if she is truly bat shit crazy (stop right there Luce, not saying any but small minority are) and might ruin your life then mum is the word other than vague innuendo. Subject of prior post or two "she whose name none may say". 

“We are ALL criminal here.”                                                        

Pfunk

“Don’t waste your time in the arms of a man who’s no stranger to treason.”

Linda Ronstadt:  Telling me lies

“Trust, but verify.”         

Ronald Reagan

“This ain’t Dodge City, and you ain’t Bill Hickock”

Matthew Quigley

The key point that I wanted to make extends from Pfunks quote.   We ALL have our side of the story.  I have been wronged in the past.  I will never get my day in court.  And to be honest, I will probably never fully understand the point of view of the lady who wronged me, because I don't walk in her high heels.....and we don't talk much any more.

I believe that Nikki DOES have a list.  It may be quite extensive.  And, coincidental?.....of the names she HAS shared with me, the lady I believe wronged me is on it.   But it is  REALLY a list of people who, like me,  have complaints....i.e., the sources of these stories.  Are they accurate?  Are they Fake?  This isn't a court of law, and I'm not Judge Judy.   I would not be surprised to learn that other providers have lists of providers who hurt others, and I would REALLY be surprised if Nikki herself were not on some of those other lists.   Rightly?  Wrongly?  I just don't-the-fuck-know.  Because I was not there.  I only know what happened to me....from MY point of view.

Just as I believe I have been wronged, I'm sure Nikki believes the same of herself, and several of the others who have given me information also believe they were wronged.   We have to respect that.  We also have to respect that there are other sides to the story.   It is very easy to spread rumors.  It is very difficult to get to the real truth.

SO, what do we do?  Who do we trust?  What do we believe?   After my trouble, one of the dear, sweet providers here told me:  "Matt, the people here are NOT your friends.   Do not expect them to treat you as such."  This community is the ultimate game of "Survivor."  You are playing for yourself.  Never forget that, and do EVERYTHING you can to protect your heart and protect your life.  But, at the same time, never forget that the way you treat others not only affects their reaction to you, but also has an effect on your soul.

I have decided to choose forgiveness, and move on. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, gr8owl said:

I would not presume to call Nikki a liar by saying she has no list or that it is far shorter than she says.  But chances of seeing it seems about on par with seeing a unicorn or getting photo bombed by big foot.  I understand why such lists may not be proper fodder for public posting - kinda.  But why keep harping about having one and "everyone knows so and so did *fill in blank evil jacked up thing*  unless the one making the statements is willing to at least share in pm's?  I find it ironic and humorous to the extreme that "we" fascinate over whether Bambi Bangs Alot is 20 pounds or 5 years past what she claims and rant about it in reviews, but if she is truly bat shit crazy (stop right there Luce, not saying any but small minority are) and might ruin your life then mum is the word other than vague innuendo. Subject of prior post or two "she whose name none may say". 

Just in this 1 thread alone you have 3 people who have been wronged. If you keep reading other threads..... you find many others. Short list my ass. lol

[pitbull]

2 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Just in this 1 thread alone you have 3 people who have been wronged. If you keep reading other threads..... you find many others. Short list my ass. lol

I believe Nikki.  A wise veteran on this list told me long ago that, "Most of these ladies are somewhat 'off,' and that is why they are in this profession in the first place." He did not say this with malice, but just as a point of fact.  There are a lot of "bold" professions in which the participants are somewhat 'off."  UFC fighters and carnival barkers (they call themselves 'talkers' in the biz) come to mind. I know of someone who had a BSC hooker come to his place of work and cause a scene. 

Edited February 15, 2016 by pitbull

[Guest]

12 hours ago, leigh5280 said:

 

 

That to much time on my hands, is serving its purpose, and has saved others from being fooled into give out there personal information and preventing them from getting outed. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, pitbull said:

I believe Nikki.  A wise veteran on this list told me long ago that, "Most of these ladies are somewhat 'off,' and that is why they are in this profession in the first place." He did not say this with malice, but just as a point of fact.  There are a lot of "bold" professions in which the participants are somewhat 'off."  UFC fighters and carnival barkers (they call themselves 'talkers' in the biz) come to mind. I know of someone who had a BSC hooker come to his place of work and cause a scene. 

She sure the hell did. She showed up at his job. She admits it. Who the fuck does that? ONLY BSC!! While it was wrong of her, at least she had the balls to NOT lie about it. But if she did it once, she will do it again. Only BSC providers do this. This why all the new guys on this form need to do what the OP did. Educated himself before seeing escorts. Now he can see girls and not worry about his life.

Which one of you white nights for these girls wants to be her next victim? So for all you guys who defend these BSC girls, how about you call her up and give her your employment and personal information...be sure let us all know how it goes.

Oh BTW this is the 4th girl just in this one thread.... 

Edited February 15, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

That to much time on my hands, is serving its purpose, and has saved others from being fooled into give out there personal information and preventing them from getting outed. 

Who appointed you to pass around one sided stories, gossip, and fear? I don't understand how someone could be so obsessed with what goes on in other people's lives! And I'd like to know how you came up with 7%. Personally, I think your obsession with providers is BSC! 

[Lucy Kitten]

On 2/14/2016 at 9:07 PM, Laplace said:

I can't resist, Nikki.  You used numbers. 

(If I ever meet a provider with math symbol tattooes, I'll fall in love)

Between Eccie, BP, TOB, & P411, there's, like, 400+ providers along the front range. Do you REALLY have the names of 28+ Front Range providers who have outed people?  I'd pay real money to see that.

 

Sex work groups have estimated that there are possibly 10k providers in the state of Colorado. But none of these numbers are official which makes percentages totally inaccurate. If that number is anywhere close to true then those 28 providers could number in the hundreds.

So you'd pay money to perpetuate gossip?

[Danielle Rae]

:If a provider is not listed P411 there is reason for it. Either she is new and doesn't meet P411 guidelines or she is from out of town and they use another site. Or she is Bat shit crazy and got kicked off of the site for bad behavior.  "

I've done my best to stay out of this "BSC Hooker Hoopla" - primarily because I, personally,  have nothing to add to either side of the debate - I've never met any of the other providers (except for Kyla xox) and am a big fan of minding my own business.  However, Nikki's comment above is absolutely not true.  I am a provider who very rarely EVER  participates on P411.   In fact, I log on to that website so infrequently, Gina sends me emails inquiring if I am still actively providing.  And because I don't log on very much at all, my account has been deactivated many times due to not seeing an "okay" request etc.   I am not BSC and there isn't any conspiracy.

[gr8owl]

13 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Just in this 1 thread alone you have 3 people who have been wronged. If you keep reading other threads..... you find many others. Short list my ass. lol

Please note I started post with "I would not presume to call Nikki a liar ...."    I am not claiming you do not have a list nor speculating on its length or even its accuracy.  Let me rephrase. However long or short, however accurate or inaccurate when it is only vaguely referred to and is not available to anyone (as perhaps it should remain if it is based on only one side of story) it is of precious little use other than to promote suspicion, fear and paranoia and leads to speculation and gossip as to whether certain ladies are BSC who are not even on your magic list.  My main point remains - if EITHER a client or a provider is truly a threat to harass, out, stalk, etc. and generally ruin someone else's life that info should be made at least discreetly available.  But thank goodness we have ample access to whether she lies about her age and weight lol..

[Lucy Kitten]

21 hours ago, gr8owl said:

I would not presume to call Nikki a liar by saying she has no list or that it is far shorter than she says.  But chances of seeing it seems about on par with seeing a unicorn or getting photo bombed by big foot.  I understand why such lists may not be proper fodder for public posting - kinda.  But why keep harping about having one and "everyone knows so and so did *fill in blank evil jacked up thing*  unless the one making the statements is willing to at least share in pm's?  I find it ironic and humorous to the extreme that "we" fascinate over whether Bambi Bangs Alot is 20 pounds or 5 years past what she claims and rant about it in reviews, but if she is truly bat shit crazy (stop right there Luce, not saying any but small minority are) and might ruin your life then mum is the word other than vague innuendo. Subject of prior post or two "she whose name none may say". 

Are you poking at me??? 

 

 

[gr8owl]

Just now, Lucy Kitten said:

Are you poking at me??? 

 

 

If ever I poke at you it will be purely in fun.   Just anticipating a "most of us are not bsc, etc." post and saying slow down, I agree. 

[Guest]

On February 14, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Nikki Holiday said:

I have list of Denver escorts/fbsm providers who have outed clients or providers sometimes they have even outed both. Its 7% and not 1%. The list is growing. The 7% are all BSC. They all are well known, and even highly reviewed. 

^^^^THIS^^^^ 

Its 7% and not 1%.  I based % on Denver metro and sournding area Escorts and fbsm providers. This list doesn't include touring girls because iv never heard of them outing clients or providers. 

 

 

TOB is considered home for all members both Male & Female to congregate collectively in a harmonious fashion, with the primary focus on our Adult pursuits.

There will be no conversation exchange pertaining to Outing---> good, bad or indifferent.

Hey Mods, whatever happened to you posting this but not following through on it?

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[pitbull]

3 hours ago, Danielle Rae said:

:If a provider is not listed P411 there is reason for it. Either she is new and doesn't meet P411 guidelines or she is from out of town and they use another site. Or she is Bat shit crazy and got kicked off of the site for bad behavior.  "

I've done my best to stay out of this "BSC Hooker Hoopla" - primarily because I, personally,  have nothing to add to either side of the debate - I've never met any of the other providers (except for Kyla xox) and am a big fan of minding my own business.  However, Nikki's comment above is absolutely not true.  I am a provider who very rarely EVER  participates on P411.   In fact, I log on to that website so infrequently, Gina sends me emails inquiring if I am still actively providing.  And because I don't log on very much at all, my account has been deactivated many times due to not seeing an "okay" request etc.   I am not BSC and there isn't any conspiracy.

Danielle's avatar has scrambled my head (both), so all of this is starting to not make sense.  I think the main piece of advice for the OP is to join P411 and/or see reliable and well-reviewed ladies. On this I suspect there is some agreement. 

[MrReindeer-9515]

48 minutes ago, leigh5280 said:

 

 

TOB is considered home for all members both Male & Female to congregate collectively in a harmonious fashion, with the primary focus on our Adult pursuits.

There will be no conversation exchange pertaining to Outing---> good, bad or indifferent.

Hey Mods, whatever happened to you posting this but not following through on it?

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Excellent point, but what would Nikki post about if you take away the outing discussion?(Get ready for a whole lot more shilling for P411; Gina, I hope you're paying her well)

Actually it reminds me of The Manchruan Candidate:

Senator Johnny Islin repeatedly claims "in my hand I hold a list of[insert # here, it's never the same] of "card carrying members of the Communist Party who are working at the State Department!"

It doesn't really matter how many names are on Nikki's alleged list, or who they actually are; just by making these outlandish public claims, it casts aspersions on the large majority of honest providers without the messiness of actually naming someone.

Well done FUD, keep up the good work!  

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, MrReindeer-9515 said:

Well done FUD, keep up the good work!  

 

 Well I guess since were living in the wild wild West now...