Posted October 26, 2015 They actually think we are all gonna go to the store, get a money order with a M.O.processing fee included, and snail-mail it to them? I say f*** that. Is PayPal saying no to electronic payment as well? I think this is definitely not 1997 and I'm a bit annoyed by how much actual work is required on our part to stay with that site. Yeah...no. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 26, 2015 This is what they are saying in their website. We'll have to be careful about other "adult related websites" like TOB, P411, DateCheck, etc.New: Subscription by Money Order Due to pressures by US law makers, Visa and MasterCard are succumbing to legal restrictions on credit card processing by adult related websites. Therefore we will no longer be able to process credit cards for your subscriptions.If you advertise on Backpage, or are a member of the TER, you are already familiar with these industry changes as they have also been forced to convert to alternate methods of payment.. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2015 What Bora Bora said. The pressure is on and alternative methods of payment are the new norm. I am curious as to why you're thinking about giving NBL money. If you need the service there are better options 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2015 I've been subscribed for a while now...it's saved me some serious trouble, in its defense...but yeah I wish I knew about a better option. What's available for similar purposes? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 28, 2015 I've been subscribed for a while now...it's saved me some serious trouble, in its defense...but yeah I wish I knew about a better option. What's available for similar purposes?Apropos of nothing, can I just say how happy this made me? It's totally awesome that one of these services is at least legit and saved you something worth more than money. So rare. Wow. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 28, 2015 Did I miss something? What is National Black List? Care to share a link someone? Thanks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 28, 2015 http://www.nationalblacklist.com/no comment 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 28, 2015 NBL, to many "just don't like the guy" postings. And some have personal information available for public view. To easy for a vindictive person to ruin someones life. And the info is there for eternity. The "lady" can't request to have to post removed. And, if she forgets the email address she used, she can not change the posting to "clean it up" for the guy. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) NBL, to many "just don't like the guy" postings. Yes indeed. I'm on there for the most trivial of offenses: Talking to one provider about another provider. If the lady had access to my personal info, that would be up there, too.I simply cannot believe the callous disregard that many providers have for the personal info of individuals. Some poor guy one year away from being mentionable here called a provider looking to get laid. Guess he was tired of hearing all the conquest stories his buddies were telling and wanted one of his own. The provider refused him (the right thing to do) but then posted his name, age, address, and phone number on the NBL. Years from now, after graduating from college, this poor guy will be wondering why no one will hire him. Edited October 29, 2015 by Laplace corrected (hopefully enough) for forbidden topics 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 29, 2015 I would never do such a thing, and have a distaste for that kind of vindictive garbage. My latest listing (like any others ) are for serious offense only. In this case someone who ripped me off and was just very creepy in general. In any case, I feel any info posted should be kept to ONLY what's needed to protect SAFETY. This means no one-off ncns incidents from me will be on there. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2015 there is a much better option to NBL. I've never used NBL, it's not discreet in my opinion. Please PM If you require the information if hasn't already been provided. Aloha 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2015 IMHO if we know how to treat a lady as a lady then we shouldn't be afraid about being listed in websites like NBL. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2015 Yes indeed. I'm on there for the most trivial of offenses: Talking to one provider about another provider. If the lady had access to my personal info, that would be up there, too.I simply cannot believe the callous disregard that many providers have for the personal info of individuals. Some poor guy one year away from being mentionable here called a provider looking to get laid. Guess he was tired of hearing all the conquest stories his buddies were telling and wanted one of his own. The provider refused him (the right thing to do) but then posted his name, age, address, and phone number on the NBL. Years from now, after graduating from college, this poor guy will be wondering why no one will hire him.Talking to one provider about another isn't trivial it's not NBL worthy but not trivial. You should consider that. Guys who can't refrain from talking about providers to another providers is a problem. Trust is violated and you perpetuate gossip. Discretion is key and you violated that and are upset that you were blacklisted? And you further blame the person who put you there saying if they had more info they would have put more up there. Zero acknowledgement that you did anything wrong which you definitely did. I simply cannot believe the callous disregard of providers that led needing Blacklists. If you really want to blame someone blame the site owners who have led countless numbers of ladies thinking it's OK to post things like that. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) And you guys wonder why I keep telling you to protect your personal information by getting Hobby Email, and Hobby Phone, and a P411 account. You won't have this problem. As you can see there are providers who don't want me to warn you gentlemen. I do get criticized for it and called names on this board by other providers. The providers who are reporting gentlemen on NBL for talking about other girls is EVIL. This is not NBL worthy. If they are posting guys on the NBL for this reason, then they doing it for the sol purpose of EVIL RETALIATION and ruining the guys life. Edited October 30, 2015 by Nikki Holiday 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) It's because there are a lot of ladies that disagree with you Nikki. I don't know that anyone has called you names though. You make screening more difficult for all the ladies, you're making it harder not easier for anyone. I take that back, you're making it easier for guys by promoting anonymity. You are compromising the safety of lots of providers with this Nikki. If you actually cared about other providers you would understand why this is so important. I think you do know because you used to screen with real info. You're not a hero or anything, you have had your own private issues that you force on everyone else. What are you going to do when something goes really wrong with a client and you have nothing but a fake number? P411 doesn't even require real info and they definitely aren't going to give it to you if you need it. Are you going to call the police with a hobby name, number or email? How will you warn other ladies? It's really easy to just assume another fake identity. Do your research and you'll find that the ladies have far more risk than the guys. Every day ladies are stolen from, lied to, abused, stood up and harassed. Clients on the other hand suffer far less not zero but less. But when you promote the fake names you make it easier for guys to do all of those bad things to providers. Do you ever think about that? Do you ever think that guys might use you as a reference because you don't require real info and use you to see and potentially hurt other ladies? Ladies will continue to disagree and be cranky as long as you continue to force this on people. You're hurting the cause far more than you are helping it. I use a hobby phone. Why would I want you to have the ability to plaster my number all over the internet with hobby related comments? Do you think I really want you popping up on my Facebook recommended friends list? There is an equal number of crazy women to crazy men in the world, and I wouldn't want to sacrifice a promising job prospect for 60 minutes. I'm not attached, but I can imagine it would do considerable damage to someone with a significant other when the first link on a Google search of their name is about escorting. It certainly isn't unheard of for a provider to want some extra continuing payments to not reveal private information.P411 is mostly anonymous. Very few are going to book without a few oks on there. It's instant references. I don't have to harass anyone I'm not going to see for that session. You have the info you need to decide whether to see me with the click of a mouse.So, why do you want to make it easier for providers to do all of those bad things to people? And more disturbingly, why are you keeping the "real info" you're collecting? Edited October 31, 2015 by Buddy Glass typo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 31, 2015 And more disturbingly, why are you keeping the "real info" you're collecting?This is a good point, especially after Ashley Madison. Even if all providers were good and honest people we can't be sure their laptops or cell phones won't be robbed or loosed or hacked. Nobody wants real info in those devices. the ladies have far more risk than the guys. Every day ladies are stolen from, lied to, abused, stood up and harassed. This is true as well. I think there's not a perfect solution. Besides each provider having a good screening method, references and Okays might be the best we have, even if it's not perfect, because we don't live in a perfect world. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) This is true as well. I think there's not a perfect solution. Besides each provider having a good screening method, references and Okays might be the best we have, even if it's not perfect, because we don't live in a perfect world.It's a bit misleading to frame it as who has more risk; each side has different risks. If I were to go see a new provider with no reviews, I'm walking into an unknown situation. Is there someone behind the door waiting to rob me? Will they shoot me if I don't pull out the money quick enough? Is there a meth head and pimp looking for a quick score? Is this provider mentally ill or looking to exploit my info for further gain? It could be a cop, which is another set of problems. So there's risk to spread around. Framing it as who has more risk dismisses the other side's risk. In the end, we all accept the risk when we book the appointment. Personally, I wouldn't hand out my ID specifically because of providers who retain that sort of info. Edited October 31, 2015 by Buddy Glass 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 1, 2015 I use a hobby phone. Why would I want you to have the ability to plaster my number all over the internet with hobby related comments? Do you think I really want you popping up on my Facebook recommended friends list? There is an equal number of crazy women to crazy men in the world, and I wouldn't want to sacrifice a promising job prospect for 60 minutes. I'm not attached, but I can imagine it would do considerable damage to someone with a significant other when the first link on a Google search of their name is about escorting. It certainly isn't unheard of for a provider to want some extra continuing payments to not reveal private information.P411 is mostly anonymous. Very few are going to book without a few oks on there. It's instant references. I don't have to harass anyone I'm not going to see for that session. You have the info you need to decide whether to see me with the click of a mouse.So, why do you want to make it easier for providers to do all of those bad things to people? And more disturbingly, why are you keeping the "real info" you're collecting?C'mon Buddy, don't you know that 99.9% of providers delete all personal information as soon as the appointment is over? seriously though, if providers didn't save personal information how would they be able to give you a reference months down the road. reference friendly = client files in storage. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 6, 2015 I think its important to clarify that being "kicked off of P411" does NOT necessarily equate to being BSC. I'm always getting my account "suspended" or whatever the correct term is simply because I overlooked an Okay request. It happens. And because I rarely use the site, and can literally count on one hand the number of times I log on annually, it might be a month or more before I realize my account was suspended thereby causing me to go hunt for the email requesting the "ok" ; giving the "ok" and having my 411 account reinstated. Has nothing to do with being BSC.So before anyone assumes that a provider who isn't on p411 must be a crazy whacked out nutcase, please understand that there are other scenarios that can cause an account to be suspended - even those accounts of perfectly sane hookers. Muah! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 6, 2015 The dead horse is getting a beating. Click. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
