P411 will it still be worthwhile with changes?

[Yukon2000]

With changes coming in next few weeks on P411..... ladies will you still use it as a verification service or to advertise?

Guys--> do you plan to still use P411 and maintain your membership ?

Just curious if the changes are going to have people pay to be members and will guys and ladies use it any less?

[Guest]

I, too, am wondering about this.

I depended quite heavily on the P411 menus to determine if the lady offered those services I was looking for. I used their reviews on various sites to determine if they were safe, dependable, and provided good service. I used the P411 ad boards to determine if they were available "today."

Now, the ads and the menus will be gone, rendering the advanced search option worthless. Some of the providers on P411 are FBSM only. How will I be able to know? It is rude to discuss services before you meet. And, what of the client profiles? Will I still be allowed to say that BBBJ is very important, and that I like Greek?

All that will be left is a vague list of ladies with unknown quantities and maybe a physical description. And a bunch of guys that are supposedly ok, but the ladies won't know ahead of time what they want.

With the sale of TOB/EB, I have noticed that a lot of the well-established ladies have stopped advertising on EB, giving it more of an unknown BP atmosphere with all the new talent.

And I have found the reviews on ECCIE to be much more reliable in terms of detail provided.

I have spent considerable time building up a list of oks and good reputation via my P411 account. So I won't abandon it lightly. I will re-up for at least one more year. But if it loses its value, I will drop it.

I would really be interested in hearing if the ladies will stop depending upon P411. Then it would be worthless for sure.

[mj76]

I plan on keeping membership until it is longer useful to me so I guess I'll just have to see how the changes go. I use the reviews as a way to determine what might be on the menu so that part a P411 was never all that important to me. I use it to setup appointments and find it makes that process faster.

[The Oxymoron]

Now, the ads and the menus will be gone

The ads won't be gone, but sexual activities will be removed from the advertisements.

FWIW, the Activity List was only added to P411 in early 2011.... the site operated (and grew) for 6 years before that, without the Activity List.

And, what of the client profiles? Will I still be allowed to say that BBBJ is very important, and that I like Greek?

Client profiles and private communications will in no way be affected. This change applies only to the advertisements.

I'm also very interested to see what effect the changes will have, although I can't say I'm not a little nervous..... eek.

[Guest]

I'm also very interested to see what effect the changes will have, although I can't say I'm not a little nervous..... eek.

I can well imagine your trepidation.

Just thinking out loud, and half baked thoughts at that.

Since the ads will still be up, just cleaned. Would it be possible to filter them so that only ladies compatible with the preferences I placed in my profile would appear?

Likewise, would it be possible to make a reversed advance search available to the ladies so the ones compatible with my profile could send PM "flyers?"

I think the guy's profiles will be more important from now on.

[Bit Banger]

While I do use a provider's activity list to help in selecting someone to see, that is not my primary use of P411. I find my OKays list to be of great benefit when trying to satisfy the screening requirements of providers when travelling and I have not built up a resume of local references. I have also found that providers listed on P411 to be less of a crap shoot when compared to other common venues like BP.

I do worry about being able to distinguish between FBSM & FS providers with the new rules. This was my strongest complaint against the SoWet review system. Price point is not a reliable characteristic for making that determination.

[The Oxymoron]

I do worry about being able to distinguish between FBSM & FS providers with the new rules.

Providers will still be able to link to reviews and their websites, where additional information and specifics can be gleaned.

Many options have been considered (thanks LaPlace for the suggestions), but it is very important that the site stays firmly on the right side of things. Therefore, the site will be cleaned up and we won't be looking for ways to "get around" what is required of escort sites in Canada.

[Audrey Astor]

I prefer to offer an overall experience as opposed to checking off a list of activities anyhow. So, yes I will use P411, and have met lots of great GENTLEMEN from there. It's especially nice when touring.

I can understand some of the guys views as well, and as Gina mentioned, reviews may be more handy for you. Good luck, either way.

[Bit Banger]

Good to see one of our lady friends chime in on this thread.

[fork]

I don't even use P411 that much (since in COS it's not that useful) but I'll probably keep it, barring another crazy price increase like the last one.

The list of activities was handy, but in the end there are usually reviews. It's just more clicking to get the information needed to make decisions. Not a huge loss.

P411 is extremely handy when I'm in bigger cities, mainly Denver and Dallas, where there's a critical mass of providers.

[Archetype]

I have spent considerable time building up a list of oks and good reputation via my P411 account. So I won't abandon it lightly. I will re-up for at least one more year. But if it loses its value, I will drop it.

Pretty much this. Some of the most recent price increases, combined with this reduction in services offered due to new laws, will have me reconsidering the next time my membership is due to renew.

[pfunk]

With changes coming in next few weeks on P411..... ladies will you still use it as a verification service or to advertise?

Guys--> do you plan to still use P411 and maintain your membership ?

Just curious if the changes are going to have people pay to be members and will guys and ladies use it any less?

The changes mean nothing to me. I've never used a "menu" from P411. I use ads and reviews to determine who I want to see, and P411 is tool to assist me in booking and screening.

I would miss that great tool for screening if I let it lapse. I really don't like the old method of "references" (who may, or may not, be available, or remember me).

For less than half the price of an average appointment, I get easy booking, daily ads, discounts, and "references" for a year. It's certainly a good deal for me.

[The Oxymoron]

but I'll probably keep it, barring another crazy price increase like the last one.

I can promise that there will no more rate increases for a good long time.

[oldguysrule45]

Pfunk is absolutely correct. I rarely hobby anymore, but if I do I always use P411. Also any local sites of which there are hundreds if someone takes the time to look. What about the provider's personal web site?

Seems to me everyone that pisses and moans here about everything is looking for a 100% sure thing without any cost. Get into the real world people.

[Milos Vesely]

My understanding: Canada Bill C-36 is going to essentially neuter, among many, websites like P411, and render them mostly useless for the monger. I would suggest passing on annual memberships and going with month to month, or even week to week, especially as we approach December.

[The Oxymoron]

My understanding: Canada Bill C-36 is going to essentially neuter, among many, websites like P411, and render them mostly useless for the monger.

That is not true. The only difference with Bill C-36 is that we can no longer allow providers to mention any sexual activities in their ads. They can still sell their time.

Please note that the majority of providers don't mention any sexual activities in their advertising anyway.

Clients will still be able to put whatever they want on their profiles (since they are not "advertising"), private communications are still private, links to reviews and websites are still permitted, and we are giving providers a means to indicate whether she will provide an activity list privately, upon request.

Its just that providers can no longer make sexually graphic ads, which only a few did anyway. It's really not that big of a deal (imo), but of course it's up to you to decide in the end how but of an impact it has on the value you see in the site.

[muckleskelpin]

That is not true. The only difference with Bill C-36 is that we can no longer allow providers to mention any sexual activities in their ads. They can still sell their time.

Please note that the majority of providers don't mention any sexual activities in their advertising anyway.

Clients will still be able to put whatever they want on their profiles (since they are not "advertising"), private communications are still private, links to reviews and websites are still permitted, and we are giving providers a means to indicate whether she will provide an activity list privately, upon request.

Its just that providers can no longer make sexually graphic ads, which only a few did anyway. It's really not that big of a deal (imo), but of course it's up to you to decide in the end how but of an impact it has on the value you see in the site.

That's not what P411 is for anyway. The screening function is basically one and done. Way better than whatever comes in at number 2 😛

[Bit Banger]

... I know some agencies have cut and paste responses saying: "Apologies but we use P411 for screening and advertising purposes only. Please reference your P411 ID when you text. This is our preferred method of contact." So once again is that allowed or recommended by p411? ....

The appropriate response is to request the ASP/agency's P411 ID so that you can provide the requested information through the P411 email system. It is my understanding that provider IDs do not have the same security issues as client IDs; they are often listed as part of a provider's advertisements.

(Gina, please correct me if I'm wrong here.)

[The Oxymoron]

The appropriate response is to request the ASP/agency's P411 ID so that you can provide the requested information through the P411 email system.

You are correct, but this doesn't apply to the situation he is talking about.

There is ONE agency on P411 that has a copy and paste reply, that tells those who contact them through P411 to then text them. Which is fine, since the initial contact was made through P411.

It will be interesting to see what happens. We shall see..... but P411 has been growing by about 25-30%, every year, for 10 years now. Perhaps the growth will stop, I don't know. I like to think that it won't though!

[Anna Rose]

Yes I will still use it!

[Guest]

Here are 2 main reasons to keep your p411 account or get one.

#1: Providers who are claiming ownership of regular johns, by forcing johns to call and ask for permission to visit another hooker.

Is ridiculous in my OP. By you having a p411 account you no longer need to ask any hooker for her APPROVAL to see any girl you want.

#2: Why give out your personal information to a hooker, when you can register with p411 keep your information private. Why risk

having your life destroyed by any hooker in the event something goes wrong and you piss the bitch off. Not worth it. Get a p411.

These two reasons are more than enough reason to keep your p411 or get one. I encourage all of the guys I see to get p411 accounts.

[-REDACTED-]

The ads won't be gone, but sexual activities will be removed from the advertisements.

FWIW, the Activity List was only added to P411 in early 2011.... the site operated (and grew) for 6 years before that, without the Activity List.

Client profiles and private communications will in no way be affected. This change applies only to the advertisements.

I'm also very interested to see what effect the changes will have, although I can't say I'm not a little nervous..... eek.

Without the service listings, P411 is worth about what it was in 2010 also. If it stays at the current price, I won't renew without service details. It's now worth about $5 a month or $60 a year. Any more than that, rip off. I can do what I do without P411, it's not that hard to maintain a list of references. I have P411 largely because of the service details. If I show up to an FBSM provider by accident, I'll be very displeased.

Who came up with the new activities? Girl Next Door? Openminded? Wtf? Useless. Just get rid of it altogether.

[-REDACTED-]

I'd have been much more accepting of you all charging even more, but moving the server to a country that isn't in bed with Uncle Sam. Go put P411 in Sweden, ThePirateBay hasn't been taken out yet and it has far more enemies. I'd rather see the full P411 with activities on a Swedish (or Ugandan, or Taiwanese, or whatever) server, priced higher to make up for it, than see the current decimated P411 on a Canadian server. Canada blows, take it to a different country. It isn't hard to move a server... you don't have to move the physical hardware, just the software to a new server in another area. It can be done with no downtime. I'm not really certain why it's important to anybody to keep this in Canada. Move it to somewhere else that doesn't care about (and won't enforce) US trafficking legislation like... well, like half of the world.

[Bit Banger]

I'm not a lawyer, but I would hazard to guess that the physical location of the servers is of less importance than the physical location of the owners. If LE can tie the servers & data, regardless of location, back to the owners then they would still be subject to their regulation. The execution of search warrants, etc. for hidden data would be more difficult, but publicly available data may be sufficient to prove their case. Hence publication of offers for illegal activity would be fair game.

[The Oxymoron]

I'm not a lawyer, but I would hazard to guess that the physical location of the servers is of less importance than the physical location of the owners. If LE can tie the servers & data, regardless of location, back to the owners then they would still be subject to their regulation. The execution of search warrants, etc. for hidden data would be more difficult, but publicly available data may be sufficient to prove their case. Hence publication of offers for illegal activity would be fair game.

Exactly.

Hosting a website offshore doesn't provide much/any protection.... (other than protection for the databases). A company still exists in, pays taxes in, and is bound to the laws of, the country the business takes place in. Which is the country the employees and owner are in, which is in Canada. That the site is hosted somewhere else doesn't affect any of that.

It sucks, I get it. If a person doesn't see enough value in the site with the changes, no one would expect that person to renew.

However, we're not going to put the site, and it's members, in harms way just because we're bound to lose a percentage of users. It's only money, you win some and you lose some.... we'll see how this turns out.

[gettin' up there]

I will miss the list of activities, but p411 has been terrific for getting to see providers on relatively short notice, ie. Same day. Providing references and waiting for that process to work has been slow and unreliable. As a frequent hobbyist, I will continue to find value in it if no other changes are made.

It would be nice if TOB reviews had more menu options regarding the activities. For example, I'm a fan of stripper slide but this is not an listed option on the checklist. Guys could mention much more detail in their reviews but they often don't. Any chance we could see a change in the review structure that will encourage more detail?

[TheWhisperer]

I will miss the list of activities, but p411 has been terrific for getting to see providers on relatively short notice, ie. Same day. Providing references and waiting for that process to work has been slow and unreliable. As a frequent hobbyist, I will continue to find value in it if no other changes are made.

It would be nice if TOB reviews had more menu options regarding the activities. For example, I'm a fan of stripper slide but this is not an listed option on the checklist. Guys could mention much more detail in their reviews but they often don't. Any chance we could see a change in the review structure that will encourage more detail?

Noted, we will work on that. Thanks for the request!

[Sweet Hannah]

I like P411 because I get a chance to read about the gentleman requesting an appointment or has an inquiry, lets me see if I fit into what he is looking for, for example how important oral services or and greek, and I get to find out what he would like for me to wear. I also like the okay feature.

[LeilaniBebe]

I like P411 because I get a chance to read about the gentleman requesting an appointment or has an inquiry, lets me see if I fit into what he is looking for, for example how important oral services or and greek, and I get to find out what he would like for me to wear. I also like the okay feature.

^^^Exactly...I was gonna say the same!