Yukon2000

With changes coming in next few weeks on P411..... ladies will you still use it as a verification service or to advertise? Guys--> do you plan to still use P411 and maintain your membership ? Just curious if the changes are going to have people pay to be members and will guys and ladies use it any less?

Don't recall a thread on this but maybe there has been... Just saw this website http://www.whatsyourprice.com/ Curious of what providers and hobbyist think about it....

Destiny it was not my intent to insult anyone with my opening to my original post .... Guess I was a bit cranky when I posted so sorry to those I may have insulted with the opening..... To all who shared their points of view on my question..... Thanks I appreciate your perspective and agree with most all.....

First I apologize to those that bitch and moan if some made a similar post in the last decade....for those of us who don't have the time to research archived posts or hqve been on TOB when time began here I go.... Why is it ok for providers to use an alias but not a hobbyist? I get the need to screen that the person is not LE but that can be done pretty reliably via P411 and I presume other similar services. I recently had a dinner date booked and the provider wanted me to put in an email my real name and other personal details. I am on P411 and have lots of oks which seemed to satisfy the provider to book the appt but she later came back to me wanting more info. I am happy to speak to someone and give some private info name rank serial number but feel like once it's in writing in an email it can get used by or found out easier by those we want to keep the hobby from....I thanked the provider wished her the best but said if speaking on the phone to confirm my personal details was not acceptable then we should call off the date. Which I did.... So all this got me thinking again why is it ok for a provider to use an alias but not a hobbyist? And why do some providers insist on written email details on hobbyist? Anything written and sent electronically has so many ways to be traced back to the author and how do hobbyist know what lengths a provider goes to delete digital info on their electronic devices? Just asking and honestly curious.... Again apologize if these questions have been raised in past.

Here is my take on this... What separates a decently successful hobbyist (sometimes gets the girl he wants, strikes out as often as he hits, expends a lot of cell minutes trying to hook up)...from the hobbyist who quietly and confidently enjoys the sensual delights of his absolute favorites? After years in this delicate dance, I've seen the good, the bad and absolutely unforgivable. In the process, I've learned a few things myself. So here is my take.... 1. Highly Effective Hobbyists PLAN AHEAD. Would you wait for the night of the Prince concert to call TicketMaster? OK, then. 2. Highly Effective Hobbyists OFFER THEIR CREDENTIALS. If the provider doesn't know you, a one-line email stating, "Hi, I'm Joe, Are you available tonight?" is going straight into the trash. Most reputable providers offer fairly easy screening shortcuts through Date-Check, RS2K or Preferred 411, Would you let a nameless, potentially nefarious stranger into your bedroom? OK, maybe if her tits were big enough. But the girls have tits of their own. 3. Highly Effective Hobbyists DO THEIR RESEARCH. 4. Highly Effective Hobbyists LEAVE THEIR EGO AT THE DOOR. Confidence is sexy.... arrogance is as fowl as bad breath. This goes for providers too. 5. Highly Effective Hobbyists LEAVE Providers WANTING MORE. You wouldn't linger at the party till the exhausted hosts stagger off to bed. So when you're enjoying the lady's company, be equally aware that when the party's over, it's over. Providers should feel regretful that you had to leave after only an hour... not that they had to drag your ass to the door after you camped out for an extra 30 minutes, sloooowly tying your shoes. That's what loafers are for. 6. Highly Effective Hobbyists LIKE WOMEN. As odd as it may sound, some of their clients resent providers, look down on them, and simply don't have their best interests at heart. These are the fellows who quiz them on their private lives, ask real names, disclose confidential details to other parties, or gossip about them to others 7. Highly Effective Hobbyists KNOW IT'S JUST A HOBBY. Yes, we love being together for an hour or two... and when you're genuinely nice, many providrs will often have very fond feelings for your presence in their lives. But understand guys it's not going anywhere beyond that last encounter....

Here is my take on this... What separates a decently successful hobbyist (sometimes gets the girl he wants, strikes out as often as he hits, expends a lot of cell minutes trying to hook up)...from the hobbyist who quietly and confidently enjoys the sensual delights of his absolute favorites? After years in this delicate dance, I've seen the good, the bad and absolutely unforgivable. In the process, I've learned a few things myself. So here is my take.... 1. Highly Effective Hobbyists PLAN AHEAD. Would you wait for the night of the Prince concert to call TicketMaster? OK, then. 2. Highly Effective Hobbyists OFFER THEIR CREDENTIALS. If the provider doesn't know you, a one-line email stating, "Hi, I'm Joe, Are you available tonight?" is going straight into the trash. Most reputable providers offer fairly easy screening shortcuts through Date-Check, RS2K or Preferred 411, Would you let a nameless, potentially nefarious stranger into your bedroom? OK, maybe if her tits were big enough. But the girls have tits of their own. 3. Highly Effective Hobbyists DO THEIR RESEARCH. 4. Highly Effective Hobbyists LEAVE THEIR EGO AT THE DOOR. Confidence is sexy.... arrogance is as fowl as bad breath. This goes too providers . 5. Highly Effective Hobbyists LEAVE Providers WANTING MORE. You wouldn't linger at the party till the exhausted hosts stagger off to bed. So when you're enjoying the lady's company, be equally aware that when the party's over, it's over. Providers should feel regretful that you had to leave after only an hour... not that they had to drag your ass to the door after you camped out for an extra 30 minutes, sloooowly tying your shoes. That's what loafers are for. 6. Highly Effective Hobbyists LIKE WOMEN. As odd as it may sound, some of their clients resent providers, look down on them, and simply don't have their best interests at heart. These are the fellows who quiz them on their private lives, ask real names, disclose confidential details to other parties, or gossip about them to others 7. Highly Effective Hobbyists KNOW IT'S JUST A HOBBY. Yes, we love being together for an hour or two... and when you're genuinely nice, many providrs will often have very fond feelings for your presence in their lives. But understand guys it's not going anywhere beyond that last encounter....

An honest real moan or vocal reinforcement that one is enjoying things is always a turn on.... But a fake moan can be an annoying turn off. Any suggestions on how to nicely tell a provider (without pissing anyone off) don't moan if you don't mean it?