Posted July 13, 2013 Boink, you know that we are buddies and we have been for a very long time and I love you till death, but I have to tell you in all honesty that I am very saddened whenever an "us versus them" surfaces from you, of all people. I understand the need for discretion. In my 7+ years in this industry, has anybody here ever heard of me outing anybody? Has anybody here ever heard of me stockpiling personal information? As far as you know, has anybody EVER been a victim of me using personal information against them? The answer is no. So, Boink, do you really think that it is realistic for me to let strange men into my home without having ANY personal information on them? Just the fact that they are coming into my home gives them pretty much any personal information on me that they want if they so desire to go looking for it. If something was to happen to me, and my body was found in a ditch, I would hope that I have enough personal information on the jackass that killed me that there would be a solid lead to follow. Sure, you may not want to give your personal information out to any and everybody that you try to book with, but when we are talking about providers that have over 100 reviews and zero history of divulging any personal information with more than 7 years under their belts, we should cut some slack. I know that everybody here already knows this, but in light of this thread, I feel it needs to be said again. My pussy equals my rules. You don't like it? Call somebody else. Believe me, I have absolutely no problem with that. Either you give me what I want to make me feel comfortable (as I have provided you with hundreds reviews so that you can feel comfortable) or you kick rocks and get the fuck out of here because in my mind, the only reason you would not give ME personal information, is because you're going to hurt me, which shoots off red flags in every direction for me. At the end of the day, we are all just people. There is no need for us versus them attitude. So, stop it already, would you? Destiny, you make a great point and I understand your concern. on the contrary I think we need much more "us vs them" than we already have, with some clear definition of "us" and "them"....................... "US" Clients who treat people with respect, pay their bill, value discretion, would never "out" a provider, and wash their asses. Providers who treat people with respect, never run with the money, value discretion, would never "out" a client, and don't bite really hard. "THEM" Clients who are stalkers, would rob or hurt a provider, "out" a provider, pimps. Providers who would rob a client, "out a client, get him fired from his job, save personal info, won't help with references. FWIW Destiny, as far as love goes I would loan you my favorite fishing pole and never ask when you were going to bring it back. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 ... I would loan you my favorite fishing pole and never ask when you were going to bring it back. Now that is SOLID! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 I think we need much more "us vs them" than we already have, with some clear definition of "us" and "them"....................... "US" Clients who treat people with respect, pay their bill, value discretion, would never "out" a provider, and wash their asses. Providers who treat people with respect, never run with the money, value discretion, would never "out" a client, and don't bite really hard. "THEM" Clients who are stalkers, would rob or hurt a provider, "out" a provider, pimps. Providers who would rob a client, "out a client, get him fired from his job, save personal info, won't help with references. That's something that I can live with. FWIW Destiny, as far as love goes I would loan you my favorite fishing pole and never ask when you were going to bring it back. That's a lot of love. Thanks! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 In my 7+ years in this industry Holy shit! Hold the motherfuckin' presses. Destiny's been in this shizzle for 7 YEARS!!!!!!! You're like the Queen Victoria of TOB! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 I think the key is the + but maybe it should ghost ave been a x 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 I value discretion highly and have to. The last thing I am going to do is see a lady that has no concern or apparent care as to who she sees and no apparent screening process. If she doesn't care about her safety (legally and physically) she damn sure doesn't care about mine. That being said, no this list is way too much (what no credit report??). Bottom line, if you pick carefully and it is clear you are giving info to a legit lady you should be willing to provide SOME info. If you are unwilling to give any information then take the unknown BP crap shoot and I wish you luck .... you will probably need it or a good lawyer sooner or later. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 I used to provide some of this. Not wanting to do it is a good reason to use P411. The 'double standard' mentioned is increasingly annoying to me. Perhaps without knowing her real name I should insist that she calls me 'Dick' and she gets called 'Pussy.' We have discussed this several times.... I know nothing about JIM (no last name) with phone number 303-xxx-xxxx. You have a lot more benefit that I am real and legit by my reputation and my reviews. How is that double standard? The simple fact of the matter is that if one of us is not comfortable or is nervous, it does not make for a fun time. So, it is best to find a provider that you have a mutual ground with. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 +1 gr8owl-- you do sound very wise. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 14, 2013 I think we all value discretion and have to. I have a lot to lose myself, and I see what you are saying growl, but the only thing I can say for me personally is, I like to gamble, this whole hobbying experience for me has been a gamble from the start (I like it), but when it comes to increasing my risks further by giving away ANY personal information that can POTENTIALLY come back to me aside from the gamble I am already taking towards hobbying in the first place................it's not a gamble I personally want to make. Some of the people I trusted the most have been the one's who have burnt me the most (the one's I never saw coming). I have to take the client/provider relationship on face value, it only takes one time, one piece of information before the castle crumbles. I don't think ALL providers are like this, but I don't want to try and find out either by setting myself up just to say "damnit" later on. Like I say in my profile, I am a ghost, it has worked out for me up to this point, and I don't see any reason to attempt to fix something that hasn't been a problem for me personally. I have never been turned down by a provider thus far, and if or when it does come to more information besides the basic agreement of this for that..............we'll be turning each other both down and carry on. That's just the way I see it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 15, 2013 IF the only thing info that I supply is my first name and a phone number then I agree that there is no double standard. However, I almost always supply more than that. As for the 'real and legit' comment, I suppose you are referring to your professional reputation and I have no reason to doubt this. The problem is (I think) that there are other types of dishonesty at work and this can contaminate the entire interaction. I would never, for example, make up a life story. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 15, 2013 I think one of the big things re: giving up lots of info is the couple of times that there have been highly visible busts and spreadsheets and databases have been published with real names, numbers, dislikes, etc. Even if not highly visible, there have been a few occassions where info has been outed, where clients have had to scramble to get their lives out of the spotlight on this board. And god knows what's sitting in PD files re: totally under the radar busts (eg the CU football escort agency used for recruits never made the news until the whole CU football thing happened, and then bits and pieces started to leak out). Yes, some of the blame falls on the client for taking up an activity that could harm them and not taking some precautions to try limiting downside (or just avoid totally). But even then, we see occasionally some really dumb provider habits such as doing mass text messages re: "I'm available, see me" where a bunch of other people now see your info. IMO, one has been around for a long time, seen enough oops/shite moments, gets alot more leary being overly open. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
