Posted May 13, 2016 http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29886103/colorado-sugar-babies-use-online-dating-cover-soaring From the article LE knew nothing of the site, references to seeking arrangements Enjoy the article and I'll enjoy, hopefully, the conversation Aloha from Humid Florida 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Heidi the Housewife aka The Maui Muse said: From the article LE knew nothing of the site, references to seeking arrangements LE laziness and inattention has kept a lot of people out of trouble over the years. Gotta wonder about the numbers they report. Does the site require an .edu email for sign-up? I've met plenty of girls who were "working their way through college". I didn't ask to see their report cards. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 I've been on SA for a while and volunteered to be interviewed for that article. I was rejected [sob]. I did meet one slender 20-yr-old, but she was unstable and hard to get along with. Its time consuming very hit-or-miss and you have to sort through a ton of profiles. Still I might try again later in the year. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 I started using SA in November. I've been seeing a 23yo I met on there. The article is pretty accurate, I think. There's a good men-only forum on ECCIE that has a lot of great advice and discussion for SD's. There seems to be a trend, though, where men (not all) start to treat the "SA market" as just another P4P venue. Then the women (not all) start demanding payment for simple meet-n-greet requests. That seems to happen a lot in Texas and Missouri (KC). That wasn't my personal experience here in Denver but then I wasn't treating it as a P4P market. After I found my SB, I stopped shopping. I think that every SD/SB relationship is a little different. It's also a different mindset and approach compared to hobbying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 @RichardF and @MrFister: Can either of you speak candidly on your experiences? What were the girls' expectations? Your expectation? Is sex involved in the arrangements? What are the boundaries? The first I heard of Seeking Arrangements was on a Lisa Ling documentary series, and watching never seemed like the people were being fully honest though the episode was interesting to say the least. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 I'm a college student, tried several of these sites. Met a few guys, but eventually get told I'm too good. Wtf does that mean? The mature ladies with a brain that can hold a conversation and then rock your world in bed is too good? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said: I'm a college student, tried several of these sites. Met a few guys, but eventually get told I'm too good. Wtf does that mean? The mature ladies with a brain that can hold a conversation and then rock your world in bed is too good? I think it means, that what they really wanted, was a naive, gullible, inexperienced, young girl, whom they could convince to be their "girlfriend" for a few hundred dollars a month. "Too good" is a euphemism for too smart, and not easily fooled. Just a guess! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said: I'm a college student, tried several of these sites. Met a few guys, but eventually get told I'm too good. Wtf does that mean? The mature ladies with a brain that can hold a conversation and then rock your world in bed is too good? Ohhhhhh Melissa, see the key word is "mature". These guys that use SA or that are looking for a Sugar Baby usually want young. I think their Peter Pan Complex is the driving force. Maybe they think if they stick their cock into something barely legal, it will rub off and keep them young too. Maybe they think if they go younger, she will be inexperienced. That increases their chances of being, "OMG the best lover I ever had." An intelligent mature woman is way too much for many men to handle. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 Thanks guys, I feel better about myself. I just want to be able to get through school ugh. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, Kashmir said: An intelligent mature woman is way too much for many men to handle. That's why she needs many men to handle her. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Kashmir said: ... These guys that use SA or that are looking for a Sugar Baby usually want young. ... Maybe they think if they stick their cock into something barely legal, it will rub off and keep them young too. ... If I want to sample that magic potion of youth (immature pussy), I only need the vessel for a short engagement. If on the other hand I'm looking for a long term arrangement I need someone who can converse with me on a variety of subjects (many contemporary to my youth), someone not distracted by shiny trash and butterflies. From what I've heard (I've not personally investigated this), the YL available on SA are at least a decade below my minimum threshold for extended engagements. Mellissa, you will always be a YL to me. (YL = radio slang for 'YOUNG lady', with the interesting reversing Morse pattern of "da-di-da-da di-da-di-di") Edited May 14, 2016 by Bit Banger 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 I'm sure there are a few good ones out there, but I have zero interest in this generation of millennial sugar babies. I can hear it now, me, me, me, I, I, I, ...no thank you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 It doesn't cost anything to create a profile on SA and browse. If you want to message with anyone though, you need to pay for at least one month. I believe women with a .edu address get total access for free - something like that anyway. Despite the rep, there are women of all ages and all status on there. It's predominantly under 30 though. There are "lifestyle expection" levels between "negotiable" and "substantial" Everyone has a different approach and need. I'm one of "those" that prefers younger women, perhaps for the same reasons Kashmir relates. I won't try to explain myself on that. I met 5 or 6 women between 22 and 36. One married, one engaged, the others unattached. One was a graduate student who already had a regular SD and wanted to expand her "client pool" - this was the closest I got to P4P. I have a hard time trying to explain their expectations beyond saying they enjoyed the company of more mature men. They really didn't like dating guys their own age. Of course, there's the compensation too - although I was only working at the "negotiable" level. There's one gal who's on there regularly advertising that she likes to peg so boundaries are what you want. The M&G period can be frustrating and expensive. You're meeting several women in the period of a few weeks and dancing around questions of compensation and "will we or won't we have sex?". From my perspective, it's like dating and finding a girlfriend/mistress. Everyone is different but I spend about the same per month as I had hobbying but I'm having 2 to 3 times more sex. Downsides: I'm not paying her to leave. She complains and I have to listen. She doesn't do some things I really like (but she's curious and willing to try). I have to maintain some level of relationship and communication with her, unlike hobbying. Upsides: She adores me and I get that ego boost (yeah, Kashmir understands me Despite the downsides, she's actually low-maintenance and not a drama-queen like some horror stories I've read. She's a college-grad, smart, beautiful, a little immature and lacking ambition. As I've ventured into this, I've realized how "compartmentalized" my sex life has become over the past several years. I'd say that hobbying is probably the most fun, the best sex, and the most expensive. I get a little bored with my SB but I enjoy her company for more than one reason. The ECCIE subboard is really the best source of info. LOTS of advice, opinion, and stories both good and bad. PM me and I can point you to the appropriate threads. One more thing, SA is not the only way to enter the sugardaddy game. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2016 19 minutes ago, MrFister said: I spend about the same per month as I had hobbying but I'm having 2 to 3 times more sex. Winner winner, chicken dinner!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 how does one separate the escorts from the hustlers? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 31 minutes ago, Mr.Pink said: how does one separate the escorts from the hustlers? I've seen a couple of SA profiles by local escorts. If you follow the local ads, you can find those pretty easily. Hustlers... I can't really say because I no longer shop or browse. You have the potential to meet a lot of women through the site but, as I said, juggling arrangements with 2 to 4 women simultaneously is a PITA. I've read about some guys who use SA as a low-rent escort board - running through a bunch of girls, seeing how cheap they can go, etc. This poisons the pool and makes it harder to find some non-hustle arrangements - (from what I've heard) the girls catch onto this game and start asking for $$$ just to have a drink. I don't know if that's happening here in Denver though. Since Colorado and ECCIE really don't associate much, there's not much discussion about the local scene on there. The general advice is: NO SEX on the first date, DO NOT discuss compensation/money on the first date. I'd say if you can get that far and she doesn't mention those things either, then you're not being hustled. But that's just my opinion. If you watch the profiles over a few months, you'll also get an idea of which women do not have a regular SD. Their profiles always come up first (most active) - makes you wonder why they're always looking. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 13 hours ago, pfunk said: I think it means, that what they really wanted, was a naive, gullible, inexperienced, young girl, whom they could convince to be their "girlfriend" for a few hundred dollars a month. "Too good" is a euphemism for too smart, and not easily fooled. Just a guess! I would agree with your post 100% 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, Bit Banger said: From what I've heard (I've not personally investigated this), the YL available on SA are at least a decade below my minimum threshold for extended engagements. (YL = radio slang for 'YOUNG lady', with the interesting reversing Morse pattern of "da-di-da-da di-da-di-di") I was curious OM (yeah, I'm a ham, too) so I did a quick search on SA. About 40 women between ages 30 and 40 who were active in the past three weeks. I know one of them - she's in my neighborhood and we are in the same social circles. I'm comfortable hanging out with younger people (not just women) so not a big deal for me. Although there've definitely been situations when I've been disappointed by the lack of depth. I know it's not for everyone though. Edited May 15, 2016 by MrFister clearer language 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 IMHO, all the discussion about finding gullible young girls to exploit for inexpensive sex is completely off base. I see all age ranges and all educational backgrounds on SA, and (at least for me) the cost is higher than escorting, not less. The term "sugar baby" is itself a goofy euphemism for prostitution, and I can understand why folks here react to the hypocrisy and dishonesty. I also don't know how to define SB precisely. For example if you meet someone on P411, hit it off, and see her 30 times, is she now a SB? If you meet some crazy babe on SA, have sex with her once, and never see her again is she now an escort? Do you have to pay a SB an allowance or take her shopping? It's all ill-defined in my opinion. What I'm looking for is (1) something long term (2) genuine sexual chemistry (3) close friend (4) intense trust (she's welcome at my house and we are both tested). (5) prefer that she does not see five other guys each day. You might meet such a person as an escort, at Starbucks, in a dance club, or on SA. Doesn't matter to me. My most cherished flings have been with dancers. MrFister has much more experience than I do, but I did meet one girl on SA. We had a meeting at Starbucks, followed by a few romps at her place. She was cute, but the sex was average. She was not a college student, just a lonely girl estranged from her family and trying to meet ends meet. It was depressing and I decided to end it. However I think SA is a great resource with plenty of attractive women and I'll probably try again in the future. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 48 minutes ago, RichardF said: My most cherished flings have been with dancers. Me too. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 50 minutes ago, RichardF said: She was cute, but the sex was average. She was not a college student, just a lonely girl estranged from her family and trying to meet ends meet. It was depressing and I decided to end it. Bummer. I guess its like buying a stock. Some payoff; some don't. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 @MrFister and @RichardF: to both, thanks for opening up. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, JoDoe27 said: @MrFister and @RichardF: to both, thanks for opening up. +1 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
