RichardF

IMHO, all the discussion about finding gullible young girls to exploit for inexpensive sex is completely off base. I see all age ranges and all educational backgrounds on SA, and (at least for me) the cost is higher than escorting, not less. The term "sugar baby" is itself a goofy euphemism for prostitution, and I can understand why folks here react to the hypocrisy and dishonesty. I also don't know how to define SB precisely. For example if you meet someone on P411, hit it off, and see her 30 times, is she now a SB? If you meet some crazy babe on SA, have sex with her once, and never see her again is she now an escort? Do you have to pay a SB an allowance or take her shopping? It's all ill-defined in my opinion. What I'm looking for is (1) something long term (2) genuine sexual chemistry (3) close friend (4) intense trust (she's welcome at my house and we are both tested). (5) prefer that she does not see five other guys each day. You might meet such a person as an escort, at Starbucks, in a dance club, or on SA. Doesn't matter to me. My most cherished flings have been with dancers. MrFister has much more experience than I do, but I did meet one girl on SA. We had a meeting at Starbucks, followed by a few romps at her place. She was cute, but the sex was average. She was not a college student, just a lonely girl estranged from her family and trying to meet ends meet. It was depressing and I decided to end it. However I think SA is a great resource with plenty of attractive women and I'll probably try again in the future.

I've been on SA for a while and volunteered to be interviewed for that article. I was rejected [sob]. I did meet one slender 20-yr-old, but she was unstable and hard to get along with. Its time consuming very hit-or-miss and you have to sort through a ton of profiles. Still I might try again later in the year.

Owl wrote: "As best I understand there are varying degrees, many that are well short of "exclusive." So the P411 "sugar-baby" tag means "open to repeat customers." Or perhaps "open to repeat customers who take me shopping." Sounds like a great deal

I noticed that many providers on P411 have search tags that indicate that they are willing sugar babies. I'm wondering how often that occurs and whether any of the men or providers on this forum have formed such an arrangement? I'm not even sure what such an arrangement would entail. I take it that if a dude puts up enough money to support his SB, then she becomes exclusive to her SD and is no longer technically a provider? Just curious if anyone here has explored this topic, and whether it worked out successfully.

There's a lot of discussion about HIV in this thread, but I'm wondering if there is a greater threat coming in the form of drug-resistant chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphillis. Chlamydia is orders-of-magnitude more contagious than HIV -- so a drug-resistant strain would be an incredible health problem. Don't know if there are any reliable CDC stats out yet.

Akilah Based on your picture and profile, I could see you working at one of the more upscale clubs like Diamond, La Boehme, or especially Shotgun. The two PTs clubs (Evans and Galena) are a little too divey for your type. Sorry, but I think Ladies EnConfident is a shithole and should be avoided at all cost. Just my expert opinion...

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Trying my best to not take this thread personally. --Richard

Ink- Thanks for suggesting Priceline. Bidding on a room sounds like it might be fun. :-) Raoul- I tried out the Hotwire blind-booking feature for the first time and it worked out perfectly, saving about 20%. As you were saying, with any sort of detective work (i.e., looking at the Hotwire customer ratings and location) you can reasonably figure out the hotel in advance. Thanks so much. MrFister- There are a lot of interesting articles out there about the proper etiquette for booking AirBNB sexual trysts. For example, this one. I would feel uncomfortable bringing a "date" to someones house without telling them in advance; however I'm not sure I have the balls to be up front about it, either. When I get home from work I plan to PM you about the topic.

Raoul- LOL! No, I'm a nerdy, conservative, dude with a beautiful SB. Thanks for the great suggestions from you and Just Jos. Looking into AirBnB right now.

Not sure if this has been discussed before. I'm in Denver, but decided to post in the General Form, anyway. What is the best way to find good deals if you're booking rooms several times a month for someone special? Questions: I've been using hotwire and booking.com. Any other good choices? Hotwire has a discount feature that allows you to get a (non-refundable) room without knowing the identity until you pay. Anyone try that? Did it work out? Is it really better to wait until the last minute for good deals? Any other out-the-box thinking on this subject?

To JoDoe, if you're still there: I didn't read every word of this long thread, but I'm surprised that it turned into such a strange shitstorm. Like I said earlier, there is a subset of married men who recognize that cheating on their wife is unfair and unethical and do it anyway because it is meaningless fun. While I did enjoy your thread, you're not likely to win any award for originality and you didn't provide us with any sort of epiphany. It's not likely that you'll be up for a Nobel Prize next year. I confess that I thought you were female at first because it's very common for women to wonder why men with sexy angels at home go out and sleep around. The answer is boring and I'm 95% convinced that it's the result of evolutionary biology. Since you're not female, it would be interesting to know why you bring such strong convictions to a board like this. Is this simply the way you were brought up? Did your father cheat on your mother? Or are you motivated by some sort of deep religious beliefs?

JoDoe- Good post. I'm married to a (sexier) Mother Teresa type - she's warm, kind, considerate, and the chance that she's cheated on me is just about zero. If she did cheat on me, I'd feel devastated. In return I've cheated on her more times than I can count. I've had affairs with my (college-aged) students, I've had Craigslist flings with non-pro types back in the San Francisco, backpage escorts, and more recently a dancer that has morphed into a SB arrangement. I do tend to pick petite brunettes who look something like my wife. Deep down I feel a sense of guilt. Some men like me cheat because they can -- and it's not much more complicated than that. I think my only justification is that men and women are wired differently. Men are capable of cheating without forming any sort of emotional bond with a sex partner; in contrast, when women cheat on their spouse, it's much more likely to be for emotional needs, and the marriage is therefore over.

Maria Bartiromo. Another Wall Street babe.

Erin Burnett. She's smart too -- financial analyst for Goldman Sachs before becoming CNN anchor.