Posted May 8, 2016 We all know that some providers on occasion reinvent themselves -- new name, new pictures, new email, new phone -- for a variety of reasons, not all of them negative. This is my question to you: if you notice a provider that has had a checkered reputation reappear in the community under a new persona after an extended absence, do you "out" that provider, revealing her past names? It seems to be routinely done on the "411 Request" board, but only after an inquiry is made. My instinct is to keep quiet, giving the provider the benefit of the doubt, hoping she has changed her ways. What do you think? 1) ". . . the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." -- Captain Kirk 2) "Bros before Hoes" -- Unknown 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 38 minutes ago, Kaos said: My instinct is to keep quiet, giving the provider the benefit of the doubt, hoping she has changed her ways. What do you think? 1) ". . . the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." -- Captain Kirk Go with your instinct. And I think it goes "the needs of the many outweigh the need of the few, or the one". 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Raoul said: And I think it goes "the needs of the many outweigh the need of the few, or the one". That was Spock in Star Trek II. Mine was from Star Trek III. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Kaos said: That was Spock in Star Trek II. Mine was from Star Trek III. Duly noted. Live long and prosper. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kaos said: after an extended absence, This is the key IMO. People change, especially over time. So on the contrary, rather than going about like the town crier, I believe I have a responsibility to keep my yap shut, especially regarding old, sketchy (eg. "checkered reputation" covers a lot of territory) and completely unsolicited information. Edited May 9, 2016 by Happymon 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 Everybody deserves a second chance 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 I am sure just by posting this you will have many PMs wanting to know who it is. And maybe you'll even answer a few of them and I bet there are few more that are going to start playing detective. So even of you don't name names there is a good chance she'll get found out anyways. If you're not planning on seeing her what's your concern? I get the impression that somehow you feel obligated to do something with this information, you're not. It doesn't rest on your shoulders alone to give or not give her the benefit of the doubt. The needs of the one outweigh the not really needed need of the many. Unless someone is a serious threat there is no need to potentially hurt their business or their income. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 56 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said: Unless someone is a serious threat there is no need to potentially hurt their business or their income. Point taken. Thank you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 I would not be the town crier but I would appreciate someone clueing me in on people such as Katie Creme, or Jennifer of Denver if they were to return under a new persona. Second chances are fine. It is the 3rd, 4th, and 5th time I draw the line. Some people do not deserve another chance. That being said, with very little effort, I found 2 providers that reinvented themselves. I saw them in the past and was delighted to see them return. I would not even think about revealing their past to anyone. This is a tough question. Depends......??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 10 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said: Unless someone is a serious threat... Unless someone is a serious threat, MYOB. That's pretty much my credo right there. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 On 5/8/2016 at 5:03 PM, Kaos said: We all know that some providers on occasion reinvent themselves -- new name, new pictures, new email, new phone -- for a variety of reasons, not all of them negative. This is my question to you: if you notice a provider that has had a checkered reputation reappear in the community under a new persona after an extended absence, do you "out" that provider, revealing her past names? It seems to be routinely done on the "411 Request" board, but only after an inquiry is made. My instinct is to keep quiet, giving the provider the benefit of the doubt, hoping she has changed her ways. What do you think? 1) ". . . the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." -- Captain Kirk 2) "Bros before Hoes" -- Unknown If a TOB connected provider is to retire or have a need to go UTR, I would hope they will use any of the contact interactions found here on TOB (moderator and/or ADM). We can open a dialog & get an understanding of their situation. We would most likely advise a provider with a checkered reputation to try & deal with it then to delete their profile & return under a new persona to hide any facts. The community seems to find out anyway. There have been times when a provider announces that she is creating a new name, great way to go. The 411 as indicated is to research any unknown provider, a Diamond in the rough & to help in uncovering any Rip-Off crews or individuals looking to defraud. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 If she doesnt do it herself, dont do it for her. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 If she fails to change her ways, that will come out in her reviews - and her business will suffer as it did before. Unfortunately, some guys will have to pay the price for that enlightenment. Hopefully, she learned from her past experience and cleaned up her act. But we already know that some reinventions were just the flip side of a bad coin. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 Well you don't necessarily have to reveal her past names, but I think it would OK to post the following if applicable: (and I expect this situation does occur sometimes). "Hi, 20-year-old Allison Zelda. I see you were born 20 years ago, according to your ad that says you are 20. I remember we had a great session 10 years ago, but I won't embarrass you by posting your old escort name. So you don't have to worry that I would post any embarrassing information about you (wink)." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 ^ (Just to be clear about previous post, I'm imagining a situation where a "new 20 year old escort" appears, but her actual age is more like 20+++, and a previous client who remembers her previous identity is aware of that.) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2016 4 hours ago, N6_in_the_village said: "Hi, 20-year-old Allison Zelda. I see you were born 20 years ago, according to your ad that says you are 20. I remember we had a great session 10 years ago, but I won't embarrass you by posting your old escort name. So you don't have to worry that I would post any embarrassing information about you (wink)." So your advice is to personally call and threaten to reveal (exactly where??) her apparent discrepancy unless she mends her wicked and deceitful ways....? Perfect. Please let us know when you have the opportunity to do that and how it works out for you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 13 hours ago, Happymon said: So your advice is to personally call and threaten to reveal (exactly where??) her apparent discrepancy unless she mends her wicked and deceitful ways....? Perfect. Please let us know when you have the opportunity to do that and how it works out for you. Um, no, that is absolutely not my advice. I would never call or private-message an escort to threaten her. My meaning was that if a "new" escort appeared on this board or in an ad, and I was certain that I had seen her before and that she was lying vastly about her age, I would (or might) post a message to the public board with that information: "I know Suzie Creamcheese (or Allison Zelda or whoever). I've seen her before, and she isn't 20 y.o. or close to that". My imaginary message in my previous post, "Hi 20-year-old Allison Zelda ...", was intended to be read as an (imagined) post to a public board, and not as an (imagined) PM to the escort. I see now that, unfortunately, it can easily be read as a PM. Also, I wouldn't write in such a sarcastic tone if this situation actually happened, I would provide the information in a more straightforward way. I believe it's completely legitimate to reveal that an escort is lying in a major way about her age, or appearance, if that's the case. That isn't "outing", because it isn't revealing personal information that is unique to a particular escort. Also, that type of information is best provided in a review, but in the case I'm suggesting, where my last meeting with the escort was long ago, I don't think a review could be done. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 9 hours ago, N6_in_the_village said: I believe it's completely legitimate to reveal that an escort is lying in a major way about her age, or appearance, if that's the case. That isn't "outing", because it isn't revealing personal information that is unique to a particular escort. Also, that type of information is best provided in a review, but in the case I'm suggesting, where my last meeting with the escort was long ago, I don't think a review could be done. That's much clearer. Sorry if I missed the nuance. With a discrepancy as large as your hypothetical, It's unlikely to go unnoticed here, but as you suggest, a current experience and review would be most appropriate. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 Ya know...some of us are like...on paper for being outed by some a-hole in the real world. Don't see how a probation officer easily tracking down a providers new persona--ya know, for transparency to the boys round here---is helpful. I hope that guys who are so forthcoming with their sleuthing and gossiping capabilities understand that their words can cause problems much bigger than they intended. The shady assed providers won't last long anyhow and the ones who do re-identify for important reason are just having the effort they exerted thrown out and shit all over, by the good ol' Sewing Circle Jerking Guild...it would frustrate me all to hell to have to deal with that issue. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 On 5/8/2016 at 5:03 PM, Kaos said: We all know that some providers on occasion reinvent themselves -- new name, new pictures, new email, new phone -- for a variety of reasons, not all of them negative. This is my question to you: if you notice a provider that has had a checkered reputation reappear in the community under a new persona after an extended absence, do you "out" that provider, revealing her past names? It seems to be routinely done on the "411 Request" board, but only after an inquiry is made. My instinct is to keep quiet, giving the provider the benefit of the doubt, hoping she has changed her ways. What do you think? 1) ". . . the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." -- Captain Kirk 2) "Bros before Hoes" -- Unknown IMHO it's not your responsibility to "weigh-in" on who this YL is or was in her past. She's changed her persona for a reason. Perhaps she wants to reinvent herself. If that's the case, there's no point in raising the issue of who she was previously. If the only thing she's changed is her name and her service/attitude remains the same, then that will all be known in due time and her success will ride on her merits alone rather than conjecture/speculation of TOB detectives. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 Just thinking to myself. I have known several reputable providers that reinvented them self for personal reasons and have continued to do well. I cannot think of a single bad provider that reinvented her self and improved her reputation. The bad reputation may be known in due time but in the meantime, clients will be out of a lot of hard earned money in the learning process. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, inkspot said: The bad reputation may be known in due time but in the meantime, clients will be out of a lot of hard earned money in the learning process. Hopefully, all that would be necessary is an accurate review from one of the first clients in your scenario to warn anyone else if they're on the fence about scheduling with the provider in question. That should be all we can ask of the reviews anyway...to be an accurate assessment of the session w/o embellishment or vindictiveness. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 3 hours ago, B_randy said: Ya know...some of us are like...on paper for being outed by some a-hole in the real world. Don't see how a probation officer easily tracking down a providers new persona--ya know, for transparency to the boys round here---is helpful. I hope that guys who are so forthcoming with their sleuthing and gossiping capabilities understand that their words can cause problems much bigger than they intended. The shady assed providers won't last long anyhow and the ones who do re-identify for important reason are just having the effort they exerted thrown out and shit all over, by the good ol' Sewing Circle Jerking Guild...it would frustrate me all to hell to have to deal with that issue. Again; If a TOB connected provider is to retire or have a need to go UTR, I would hope they will use any of the contact interactions found here on TOB (moderator and/or Admin). We can open a dialog & get an understanding of their situation. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Kaduk said: Again; If a TOB connected provider is to retire or have a need to go UTR, I would hope they will use any of the contact interactions found here on TOB (moderator and/or Admin). We can open a dialog & get an understanding of their situation. I feel ya, K. I just love to Bitch sometimes! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
