What's a 10?

[BadBoy]

Most people shouldn't drink and post.  Nikki is the exception - her post above got better and better as the Vodka started kicking in.  Love all of your posts!

[Guest]

On 1/25/2016 at 11:01 PM, Nikki Holiday said:

ok the the VODKA has kicked in. Im checking out. 

LOL!  For me it is Bootstrap's Insane Rush IPA, but the end result is the same!  I applaud you for knowing when to back away from the keyboard!  I still need to work on that! ;-)

[Guest]

On 1/25/2016 at 10:13 AM, AlexisSweet69 said:

I'm a 10!

I would agree, but you are about 1,000 miles too far away!  Come visit Denver where we are oxygen deprived and you could possibly be a 12! ;-)

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Badboy said:

Most people shouldn't drink and post.  Nikki is the exception - her post above got better and better as the Vodka started kicking in.  Love all of your posts!

💥💥💥💥

3 hours ago, Riggo said:

LOL!  For me it is Bootstrap's Insane Rush IPA, but the end result is the same!  I applaud you for knowing when to back away from the keyboard!  I still need to work on that! ;-)

Shambolic 😂😂🎉

On January 25, 2016 at 6:08 AM, MoneyTeam said:

Ill pass on the VS model types.  I like em thick.  Not fat.. THICK (;

The ladies love your sugar and not just your money you sexy beast!!! Much love 💋💋💋💥💃

[Womanlover-3464]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...That is why a numerical rating system is so subjective.  I look for consistency in reviews, but find the description of the activities more informative, especially when they include how many times they saw the gal. Keep 'em coming guys...

[Guest]

On 1/24/2016 at 10:29 AM, Raoul said:

These should be familiar to many of us.

RATING   LOOKS   10 She was a one in a million. 9 She was model material. 8 She was really hot. 7 She was attractive. 6 She was nice looking. 5 She was plain looking 4 OK, If you are drunk 3 She was fairly homely. 2 She was simply ugly. 1 I was really scared.

RATING   PERFORMANCE   10 It was a one in a million. 9 I forgot it was a service. 8 She went the extra mile. 7 It was really hot 6 It was a nice time. 5 Average 4 She just laid there. 3 It was barely worth the effort. 2 I should have stayed home. 1 A total rip-off.

For performance ratings, it is asked that you please save the 8, 9, and 10 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing - with tongue, Anal - Yes, and Really Bi - Yes, More than One Guy - Yes). Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!

An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, and Anal Sex. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum.

This does not mean she earns extra points for offering these service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score.

If your review rates a provider higher than her maximum score, the score will be adjusted down to her maximum. 

While I am not a fan of this particular system and the way it works in practice, I think it has fairly wide acceptance. 

Ugh,  according to this I would be a 6 :-(

[jj254-1]

Lot of zombie threads lately. Is it an Easter theme?

 

Yep, lots of people have different ideas of hot. One man's fat chick is another's bbw. Same for service really. What I look for is consistency. 12 reviews, all good? That's consistent. One or two bad reviews in 12? Reasonable. I don't work at 100% capacity all the time either. Can't click with everyone. 5 bad reviews in 12? That's a pattern. No real science to it. Can't really think of a better review system though. 

 

BB isn't rare. Isn't anyone's business, either. What consenting adults do is between them. Evaluate the risk and make your own choice. Just my opinion. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, SpiceInCo said:

Ugh,  according to this I would be a 6 :-(

To some of us, you would be an 11... Personality and conversation adds a lot to the base value.  To some guys, the overall package is more important than just how close to Bo Derick you look.

[Guest]

I know, I should probably not be doing reviews here as I venture beyond the superficial photoshop look.  I look into it too deeply.  Every woman is a 5 and I am a 10!  Now, I am only a ten if you see me 5 times.  :-)

For those that are mathematically challenged, I am a 2 and it requires seeing me 5 times to hit a ten. ;-)

[Jez UaBriain]

Victoria Secret models are (as well as all models  in print  ) are airbrushed and proofed before ad goes to copy.So your "1, in reality is really a ""6". You probably should go look in Hollywood where silicone, botox, etc. are the norm. 

I like my people to be real. In all aspects of life.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Jez UaBriain said:

Victoria Secret models are (as well as all models  in print  ) are airbrushed and proofed before ad goes to copy.So your "1, in reality is really a ""6". You probably should go look in Hollywood where silicone, botox, etc. are the norm. 

I like my people to be real. In all aspects of life.

Are you insinuating that we can't take photoshop into a meeting!?!?!?

[TheWhisperer]

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

Looks-

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

Service-

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, TheWhisperer said:

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

My first thought when I saw this was, "you are gonna wish you hadn't asked". My second thought was why not just steal the descriptions from TER but drop the "she has to offer this to score that" nonsense. My third thought was, I need to think about this some more.

Should be an interesting discussion.

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, TheWhisperer said:

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

I wouldn't say they are being padded as much as I would say everything is subjective when there are so many people with different likes, tastes and desires from a session looking at different sides of the same "elephant".  Don't take the elephant verbiage wrong lovely ladies.   

Examples:  

Some people thing Kim Kardashion is hot.  I think her butt is too big and she really does nothing for me.  I like nice firm tiny butts that fit perfectly in my hands.

I think Kate Upton is beautiful in every way, but Victoria Secret thought she was too large.

I love full lips, beautiful eyes and a great smile.  I am more likely to raise a rating based on that.  I like natural boobies of all sizes, so unless they are sagging to the knees, I will probably say they are beautiful.  Some guys like gigantic fake ones... We are all different.

I like a session where it truly feels I am making love to a lady.  Some guys want to feel like the lady is raping them.  To each there own. 

The numbering system is way too subjective to try to perfect.  It will never be perfect due to varying tastes.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Riggo

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Riggo said:

The numbering system is way too subjective to try to perfect.  It will never be perfect due to varying tastes.

Agreed. And since Raoul has not submitted any reviews, he will not complain. But you have submitted 9 reviews, all 10/10. TER says a 10 is "one in million" whatever the hell that means. To me a 10 would mean perfection; that there was nothing I could think of or ask for to be any different. Is that what you mean when you say someone's looks or service is a 10?

[jj254-1]

1 hour ago, TheWhisperer said:

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

Looks-

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

Service-

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

The padding is references. No provider will give me the OK when I drop a 3-3 on her. Call up a girl when all my reviews are 5s, she ain't gonna invite me over. p411 works because it's not attached to a reviewer name. maybe separate the review and ok system here? Changing the culture for what is a 10 on service will be uphill, but possible. Gonna piss off a lot of people along the way. Just finding agreement for a 10 in looks won't happen. Could drop the looks rating from reviews and it won't hurt them. Pics accurate question covers that. Eccie and TNA always got by fine without number scales. They don't even rate numbers for service. Just recommend/repeat. Maybe put a few fields instead that show "Sally has 8 recommendations. Sally has 2 rejections. Sally has 3 No Shows." Way more valuable than averaging 13 subjective opinions.

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, TheWhisperer said:

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

...

My response from several months ago:

 

But it's really a moot point unless you plan on reworking the database conversion (from the old TOB). With all those false readings things will take years to be rational, and then only because most of the ladies (and their reviews) will have retired. 

Case in point: Out of my forty one reviews, all but six have a rating of 10/10; those six have an 8/8 rating. And yet I only wrote two FANTASTICs. Most of the rest were VERY GOOD (8?) or GOOD(6), with perhaps a few AVERAGE(5).  One thing I found important about the old system was that there were separate ratings for 'ASP's attitude: ' and 'Overall session:'.  The Attitude rating had a lot to say about the provider, whereas the Overall rating reflected many more elements (environment, traffic, Murphy, etc.)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Raoul said:

Agreed. And since Raoul has not submitted any reviews, he will not complain. But you have submitted 9 reviews, all 10/10. TER says a 10 is "one in million" whatever the hell that means. To me a 10 would mean perfection; that there was nothing I could think of or ask for to be any different. Is that what you mean when you say someone's looks or service is a 10?

I am not a TER member and one in a million would limit the number of 10's on this planet to roughly 3,477 ladies based on a world wide female population of 3.4 billion women.  I would think we can agree that there are more than 3,477 worldwide that we would consider a 10.  At least me.

I am a very low volume guy, so I research well before I visit and mostly know what I am getting myself into.  the whole 10/10 based system is flawed like I said.  If I saw a 700lb female gorilla with halitosis,  I think I can safely say I would avoid a 10/10 (wouldn't ever see her again due to the whole ass kicking potential), but the odds of me deciding to visit said gorilla are pretty slim if I maintain my sanity and properly research.

I will admit I may be a little liberal with the 10's, but knocking a lady down to an 8 just for the sake of doing so seems silly to me.  I would certainly hate to think what the ladies would rate me.  The written portion of a review is what matters.  A lot more than those two silly and subjective numbers.

[gr8owl]

2 hours ago, TheWhisperer said:

The Looks and Service fields are clearly being padded as a number have commented, which then makes them useless when that occurs. We would like to institute some guidelines similar to TERs. Drop this idea, please.  If i liked TER I would be at TER.  Make TOB TER and why would I not migrate to the original? This will assist users in selecting the rating based on an accepted scale. This will not resolve this issue, but we hope that it will curb the padding. Please provide us with some suggestions. Quit worrying about is better bet. These will then appear when selecting the rating. The guideline should be 5 words or less:

Looks-

0 stolen pics, not close to her

1 pics her, but outdated
2 her, but not exactly what I expected
3 exactly what i expected when I set appointment
4 very attractive, better than pics, needs better photographer
5 wow! why would she see me??
 

Service-

-1 mugged or rolled at gun point

0 rip-off - took money and left, etc.

1 acted turned off or reluctant - lots of no's
2 just going through motions
3 eager, engaged, energetic
4 did things to me I hadn't even expected, grin days later when think about
5 holy shit, can't wait to see what else she can teach me next time
 

You are not road testing a car, you are rating a human being and your interaction with her.  Your perception, hopes, expectations, attitude and actions can all change the entire dynamic - no fault of hers.  The real issue is that based upon pics, descriptions, ads, reviews, etc. you had certain expectations when you made the appointment.  Did she meet or exceed those expectations or not?  Would you go back again?  I don't give a rat's ass if YOU think she is model quality or not.  I can look at pics myself.  What i want to know is are they her/accurate.  I don't care if she performs every item on somebody else's checklist - and may be turned off by some of the items. What I care about is will I have a shit eatin' grin on my face when I leave and will I be anxious to get me some more of that?  

Edited March 18, 2016 by gr8owl
wrong word

[Guest]

This is the one reason I love eccie. The reviews section is so simple. There aren't any numbers and it's straight to the point. 

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Instead of a number rating it's a simple yes or no.  Like everyone has said it's subjective, it's padded, it's interpreted in so many different ways that a simple yes or no.  And there's the address portion, it's obviously never fully written out, but it's a general location because so many people tend to ask that question since denver is so large.  And there is the donation portion,  the just simplifies it for the mongers. Obviously I don't want you to change your format and be more like another site, but one of to the reasons I am hesitant of reviews is the fact that I'm being based off of high school looks scale, and what one would consider a 10, another would consider a 5.  So a simple, hey was it worth it, would you see her again would probably be better suited.  And screw TER their number system is a joke.  Ladies getting down rated because they won't do services they again aren't comfortable with.  

[jj254-1]

58 minutes ago, SpiceInCo said:

 

 

 

And there's the address portion, it's obviously never fully written out, but it's a general location because so many people tend to ask that question since denver is so large.  And there is the donation portion,  the just simplifies it for the mongers. 

I'm with ya. Numbers mean nothing. Reccomend Yes/no. Pics accurate? Location isn't bad here. Needs polished. Pretty sure they're working on it. Just 'Denver' could change my drive 1 hour. Not a quick trip from DTC to Arvada. They set it up for their national scale goals. Little fine tuning will fix it. Site could challenge TER and P411. Gonna take time though. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, SpiceInCo said:

This is the one reason I love eccie. The reviews section is so simple. There aren't any numbers and it's straight to the point. 

 

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Instead of a number rating it's a simple yes or no.  Like everyone has said it's subjective, it's padded, it's interpreted in so many different ways that a simple yes or no.  And there's the address portion, it's obviously never fully written out, but it's a general location because so many people tend to ask that question since denver is so large.  And there is the donation portion,  the just simplifies it for the mongers. Obviously I don't want you to change your format and be more like another site, but one of to the reasons I am hesitant of reviews is the fact that I'm being based off of high school looks scale, and what one would consider a 10, another would consider a 5.  So a simple, hey was it worth it, would you see her again would probably be better suited.  And screw TER their number system is a joke.  Ladies getting down rated because they won't do services they again aren't comfortable with.  

I am an engineer and yes/no works much better with my binary brain than shades of grey!

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

...The real issue is that based upon pics, descriptions, ads, reviews, etc. you had certain expectations when you made the appointment.  Did she meet or exceed those expectations or not?  Would you go back again?  ... What I care about is will I have a shit eatin' grin on my face when I leave and will I be anxious to get me some more of that?  

Wonderful suggestion, gr8owl! I really live the 0-5 scale provided in your post (embedded in your quote). 

[Hvnaball2]

3 hours ago, Raoul said:

Agreed. And since Raoul has not submitted any reviews, he will not complain. But you have submitted 9 reviews, all 10/10. TER says a 10 is "one in million" whatever the hell that means. To me a 10 would mean perfection; that there was nothing I could think of or ask for to be any different. Is that what you mean when you say someone's looks or service is a 10?

Totally off-subject. Raoul, I'm stunned. Advanced member, 278 posts, 162 pluses, 0 reviews! Whaaaaah? 

[Bit Banger]

SpiceInCo, you left out an important part of an ECCIE review - the Rest Of the Story. This tends to be a nitty gritty description of the session and explains Why? the Y|N rating was given. Understandable because it is only available to clients with premium access. 

[Bit Banger]

4 minutes ago, Hvnaball2 said:

Totally off-subject. Raoul, I'm stunned. Advanced member, 278 posts, 162 pluses, 0 reviews! Whaaaaah? 

Don't be too hard on him. I haven't submitted any reviews under the new system for a number of reasons:

• Out of town
• Hooker Wars II (You never know who will deny you an appointment based on who you've seen.)
• The new rating system - I'd be tarred & feathered for honest ratings (Sometimes a problem even under the old system.)

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Hvnaball2 said:

Totally off-subject. Raoul, I'm stunned. Advanced member, 278 posts, 162 pluses, 0 reviews! Whaaaaah? 

When TOB became brand new; so did I. My current activities are UTR (ladies choice) so Raoul hasn't had an opportunity yet.  But here's hoping.

[Hvnaball2]

Just now, Bit Banger said:

Don't be too hard on him. I haven't submitted any reviews under the new system for a number of reasons:

• Out of town
• Hooker Wars II (You never know who will deny you an appointment based on who you've seen.)
• The new rating system - I'd be tarred & feathered for honest ratings (Sometimes a problem even under the old system.)

Please don't misunderstand me. I find Raoul hilarious. Nothing more than simple teasing.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Wonderful suggestion, gr8owl! I really live the 0-5 scale provided in your post (embedded in your quote). 

Agreed. Maybe use gr8owl's 0-5 scale and maybe separate service into menu and attitude. A girl with a limited menu who is really exceptional at what she does should not be penalized the way TER does.

[Guest]

We have an ROS system here as well, that's why I didn't mention that part.  Every site has an ros  to my knowledge. Public and premium access though tobs  is public.