You can take my COVID vaccine if I don't.

[TS Tara Rides]

On 9/1/2021 at 8:13 AM, Phil-anderer said:

Yeah, I'll stick with the consensus of experts, not people who've never practiced medicine doing their own internet research and reaching their own conclusions.  Since you read so much, surely you've uncovered the truth that in medicine, we don't just claim one study as gospel.  It's easy to cherry-pick.  Much harder to go to school into your mid-30's then spend a career studying something.

I worked as a nurse for three years in the military. 

if you want the trust doctors and scientists, be my guest but here's a bit of context for your trust levels. 

 22% of Jewish doctors do not believe in evolution even though they are taught it. (2007 Jewish medicine survey)

28% of Christian doctors do not believe in evolution (2011 pew research) 

There's not super solid numbers for Muslim doctors in the US but in Pakistan the number is around 34% of doctors reject evolution.

In America the estimates of doctors and religious beliefs are:

65% believe in God

51% are self described as "religious"

21% are "spiritual"

14.5% are agnostic

And only 11% identify as atheist. 

Stats are from pubmed circa 2017.

This means that more than one out of every two doctors you see believes there is a magic man in the sky that dictates life on our planet and of those doctors you have at least a 1 in 5 chance of getting a doctor that doesn't even understand, or outright rejects, the very premise of modern medicine. That's who you wanna trust? 

My very close friend had heart surgery this year and a literal sales rep for the product put in him was in the OR talking up the product and making dinner plans for the surgery staff for afterwards. 

As someone who's worked in the medical field, I can assure you, you could teach a monkey to be a nurse/doctor in less time than it takes to "educate" a human. It's not special and it's a profit racket/scam. I remember my innocence of thinking the medical field was a noble pursuit being decimated by the sheer amount of malicious insurance agendas and bureaucratic circle jerks. (My medical clinic even faked an outbreak of streptococcus on paper to make sure we used enough supplies to be able to qualify for more money the next year)

Lets not forget that right before we started championing these "heros" that 

In 2009 the largest settlement for fraud ever was levied against Pfizer. 2.4 billion dollars. 

In 2012 10,000 women. Sued Pfizer over breast cancer liability due to prempo

2016 pfiser agreed to pay almost a billion for scamming medicare (very hero like)

I could list off the other 12 lawsuits and the opioid epidemic... Let's not forget that a only a handful of decades ago doctors were recommending cigarettes to pregnant women for nausea... 

Like I said... If that's where you wanna put your faith, be my guest, but to act like people who have spent time researching things for themselves are lesser than you because you have more faith in some guys in a lab coat is a bit pompous. Have fun taking a booster shot every 6 months because you turned your immune system into a subscription service. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Kaduk]

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Rumble Sends Viewers Tumbling Toward Misinformation

https://www.wired.com/story/rumble-sends-viewers-tumbling-toward-misinformation/

[Strange_Ice]

On 9/22/2021 at 7:44 PM, LoneRebel said:

[snip]

So to me some of that (maybe more like half) got a bit confusing and at points it sounded like there was some back and forth. Where it sounded like we need more people to take the vaccine but we dont have enough actual real data yet, so those that are hesitant have the right to be because it may not be as safe as people think it is, but we need more people to take it to find out..... but a big thing to me was they compared Isreal with a very high vaccine rate as having more problems and India where there is very low vaccine rates having far less problems right now? Did I hear that correctly? Data like that raises my reserves even further if I'm not taking it out of context.... 

[Caressa Duval]

On 9/22/2021 at 7:44 PM, LoneRebel said:

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This audio is misleading. It makes it appear she is on the FDA board, she is NOT. This is a public meeting where people were allowed to toss their 2 cents in.  One thing that is a huge peeve of mine, is people holding a PhD calling themselves a Dr. They are not medical professionals! They have a Doctor of Philosophy degree. This woman Jessica Rose is NOT a medical doctor. Only a PhD.

When you all get Covid,  make sure you to tell the hospital you don't want one of those fancy people with M.D. behind their name treating you. You want one of those philosophy people.

[Strange_Ice]

Academic Appointment

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• Professor - University Medical Line, Orthopaedic Surgery
• Member, Bio-X
• Member, Maternal & Child Health Research Institute (MCHRI)
• Member, Wu Tsai Neurosciences Institute

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• Faculty Senate, Stanford University School of Medicine (2013 - 2019)
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Boards, Advisory Committees, Professional Organizations

• Member, NIH AACPDM Steering Committee on Common Data Elements for Cerebral Palsy (2018 - Present)
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• Research Committee Member, American Academy for Cerebral Palsy and Developmental Medicine (2009 - 2015)
• Taskforce on Childhood Motor Disorders, NIH (2001 - 2012)

[Caressa Duval]

STILL Not a medical doctor!!!!  She has a PhD. She never went to medical school.

https://i-do-not-consent.netlify.app/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMY2tdFNkRU&t=0s

[Bit Banger]

55 minutes ago, Caressa Duval said:

STILL Not a medical doctor!!!!  She has a PhD. She never went to medical school.

https://www.aacpdm.org/members/advisor-program/advisor-profiles/rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMY2tdFNkRU&t=0s

I don’t know this for a fact, but I would wager that a significant portion of the researchers use developed the mRNA prophylactics were not MDs.  They probably held PhDs in biochemistry or virology.

[Caressa Duval]

@Strange_Ice  you have the wrong credentials posted. Nice try though.

[gr8owl]

On 9/22/2021 at 7:44 PM, LoneRebel said:

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Wow.  Lots to unpack starting with this post.  

First, Rumble is the go to preferred video posting site for far right wing folks, especially ones that did not like their falsehoods and bs edited out or blocked on YouTube.  Aside from porn and out and out harassment pretty much anything is allowed on Rumble, true or not.  Therefore, everyone viewing videos there should take with a grain of salt at best.  Conspiracy theories abound there.

Next, Caressa is absolutely correct about the video.  It is NOT a position statement (let alone a bombshell!!!) or video by the FDA even though many social media posts of late have presented as such and it appears the owner of the rumble channel INTENDED for most to assume that it was official FDA. Red flag.  It indeed was just a public input portion of a meeting where along with others, Dr. Rose stated her OPINION.  Caressa was also correct that Dr. Rose is NOT a medical doctor and that her only PhD level degree is in Philosophy.  Dr. Rose does, on the main page of her website, conceal this fact and lists the PhD as "Computational Biology" but her resume is clear that the computational biology was simply some class work while working on her Philosophy degree.  Another red flag.

https://i-do-not-consent.netlify.app/

https://i-do-not-consent.netlify.app/media/Curriculum Vitae June 2021.pdf

The "presentation" she gave in the video and her website claim a specialty in studying and analyzing data from VAERS - the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.  A link below to a comprehensive explanation of what VAERS is, which is NOT what Dr. Rose represents it to be.  It is inaccurately described or reported thousands of times every day by the anti-vax folks and out and out lied about by many of same.  It is widely used to falsely claim thousands of deaths due to covid vaccines.  It is one of their most used tools of deception.  So, in case you do not wish to read whole link, what is it?  It is a list where ANYONE can report any perceived ill effect from sore arm to allergic reaction and hives up to and including death.  The instructions are that the one reporting does not even have to think that the bad effect they experienced was connected to the vaccine, only that it occurred within two weeks.  Doctors and hospitals are strongly encouraged if not required to report EVERY death within two weeks of the deceased receiving the vaccine even if they as medical experts don't think they are connected!!  It is only a list to help alert CDC, etc. to patterns of something going on that they might otherwise have missed in trials and studies.  So far a clotting issue was observed for the J&J, but even that was in folks with history of severe allergies.  It is NOT, repeat NOT to be considered to be accurate data nor to be relied upon in any scientific process other than looking for patterns to study further.  And yet Dr. Rose and others put out detailed "analysis" and statistical reviews of this inaccurate, not to be relied upon data and use it to scare the bejeesus out of folks wondering about the vaccines.  Garbage in, garbage out.  It is pathetic and should be criminal.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

The good doctor, not a medical doctor, a doctor of Philosophy, tries to make hey of the great increase in the number of reports to VAERS with onset of covid with charts and graphs etc.  What is TOTALLY ignored in her "analysis" (I put in quotes because mathematically and statistically it is a joke) is the following:

• When else have there been 250 million more vaccines than normal in a little over half a year? (never)
• How long before this has literally anyone in the world with an internet connection and US vpn been able to file a report? (5 years, perhaps?)
• When before covid has a vaccine been so divisive and political that governors even use it for pure politics?  Would that be incentive for false reports? (YES!!)
• Other than medical professionals, before covid had anyone even heard of the VAERS list?  But now everyone can report to it!!
• The CDC and FDA review this data.  That is why the list exists.  Neither has detected any adverse effect numbering over a few hundred out of 250 MILLION doses.  The vaccines are incredibly safe, and effective and ridiculously politicized.

The bottom line, please anyone reading any of this:  Do not attach any validity to the rumble link above.  It is garbage.  Do NOT listen to any of the thousands of deceptive posts, retweets, videos etc. on social media trying to say thousands have died and many more got ill rants that then quote VAERS as proof.  It is a LIE.  Repeat, a LIE. And for god sakes, do NOT get your news and info from only ONE source - no matter the source!!!! - and please never get it from blogs and opinion sites, especially ones suggested to you by social media bots

Lastly I realize that Dr. Rose is just the first public input giver of opinion at the video recorded meeting.  Do I really have to go through all the above for each one that spoke?  Enough red flags already.  Just quit listening to the static and bs and get vaccinated already!

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

I don’t know this for a fact, but I would wager that a significant portion of the researchers use developed the mRNA prophylactics were not MDs.  They probably held PhDs in biochemistry or virology.

And your point would be?  The point of discussion is not what qualifications it requires to be able to create the vaccine, it is rather what are the potential side effects observed (by medical doctors or at least supervised by) in trials and in use, whether it is recommended by medical doctors as beneficial to your health.  If you fail very ill tomorrow are you good with being seen by a biochemistry professor?  Caressa had an excellent point. Why confuse the issue with a false equivalency or other diversions?

[gr8owl]

5 hours ago, Strange_Ice said:

So to me some of that (maybe more like half) got a bit confusing and at points it sounded like there was some back and forth. Where it sounded like we need more people to take the vaccine but we dont have enough actual real data yet, so those that are hesitant have the right to be because it may not be as safe as people think it is, but we need more people to take it to find out..... but a big thing to me was they compared Isreal with a very high vaccine rate as having more problems and India where there is very low vaccine rates having far less problems right now? Did I hear that correctly? Data like that raises my reserves even further if I'm not taking it out of context.... 

That, along with confusion, was indeed the drift of statements made, but it was NOT the FDA saying it, it was several different individuals in no way associated with the FDA giving their (questionable) opinions during the public input portion of a meeting.

[Caressa Duval]

23 hours ago, TS Tara Rides said:

I worked as a nurse for three years in the military. 

if you want the trust doctors and scientists, be my guest but here's a bit of context for your trust levels. 

 22% of Jewish doctors do not believe in evolution even though they are taught it. (2007 Jewish medicine survey)

28% of Christian doctors do not believe in evolution (2011 pew research) 

There's not super solid numbers for Muslim doctors in the US but in Pakistan the number is around 34% of doctors reject evolution.

In America the estimates of doctors and religious beliefs are:

65% believe in God

51% are self described as "religious"

21% are "spiritual"

14.5% are agnostic

And only 11% identify as atheist. 

Stats are from pubmed circa 2017.

This means that more than one out of every two doctors you see believes there is a magic man in the sky that dictates life on our planet and of those doctors you have at least a 1 in 5 chance of getting a doctor that doesn't even understand, or outright rejects, the very premise of modern medicine. That's who you wanna trust? 

My very close friend had heart surgery this year and a literal sales rep for the product put in him was in the OR talking up the product and making dinner plans for the surgery staff for afterwards. 

As someone who's worked in the medical field, I can assure you, you could teach a monkey to be a nurse/doctor in less time than it takes to "educate" a human. It's not special and it's a profit racket/scam. I remember my innocence of thinking the medical field was a noble pursuit being decimated by the sheer amount of malicious insurance agendas and bureaucratic circle jerks. (My medical clinic even faked an outbreak of streptococcus on paper to make sure we used enough supplies to be able to qualify for more money the next year)

Lets not forget that right before we started championing these "heros" that 

In 2009 the largest settlement for fraud ever was levied against Pfizer. 2.4 billion dollars. 

In 2012 10,000 women. Sued Pfizer over breast cancer liability due to prempo

2016 pfiser agreed to pay almost a billion for scamming medicare (very hero like)

I could list off the other 12 lawsuits and the opioid epidemic... Let's not forget that a only a handful of decades ago doctors were recommending cigarettes to pregnant women for nausea... 

Like I said... If that's where you wanna put your faith, be my guest, but to act like people who have spent time researching things for themselves are lesser than you because you have more faith in some guys in a lab coat is a bit pompous. Have fun taking a booster shot every 6 months because you turned your immune system into a subscription service. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for posting this beautiful woman You should share more often. Women are proven to be thrown under the bus when it comes to medical care, as opposed to their white male counterparts. We are constantly being told what we can or can not do with our bodies by the medical community,  by doctors,  and the government! Most recent Texas. All under the excuse of the "magic man in the sky". Even our friggin money says, In God we trust.

[LoneRebel-Banned]

It has Never been about following the science:

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    It has Never been about your health:

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 WHY all the secret deals??  Even pfizer doesnt trust its own vaccine.

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  Just Remember: Every commercial that begins with:
 "You may be entitled to financial compensation"
 refers to something the FDA once approved.
 
  and for the pro vax trolls: 

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[Caressa Duval]

@LoneRebel  You don't need to keep posting trying convince us not to fuck you! You succeeded 10 posts ago.

[Caressa Duval]

Jordan Klepper Debates Anti-Vax Mandate Protesters in NYC | The Daily Show

 

[gr8owl]

On 9/25/2021 at 2:12 PM, LoneRebel said:

1) It has Never been about following the science:
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/09/11/bidens-forced-vaccination-roll-out-does-not-include-migrants-or-congress/
   
 
2)  It has Never been about your health:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhvA-DmXYg&t
 
 
 WHY all the secret deals??  Even pfizer doesnt trust its own vaccine.
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/08/bomshell-leak-countries-that-buy-pfizers-vaccine-undertake-to-break-the-law/
 
 
 4) Just Remember: Every commercial that begins with:
 "You may be entitled to financial compensation"
 refers to something the FDA once approved.
 
 
 5) and for the pro vax trolls:  https://twitter.com/i/status/1441723958248755201
 

1) the claim that Biden vaccine mandate does not apply to Congress and migrants.  Migrants - if they are employed by federal government or contractors getting federal money, yes they are mandated.  Usually this partial truth is slanted to illegal immigrants.  Let's be clear - it applies to contractors and employees.  Illegal immigrants and even legal ones that just arrived are not employed.  They will be mandated when they are.  As to Congress - of course they are not.  Neither are members of the Judicial Branch.  Those who successfully complete seventh grade civics understand the President cannot mandate the Legislative and Judicial Branches to do anything except as explicitly laid out in constitution..  They are co-equal branches.

2)  OK, so the United Kingdom counts participants in the original trials who received a placebo as "vaccinated".  The government is not who conducted the trials, so they do not have the specific information on who received placebo vs real.  There are privacy laws at play.  And that is what is meant by double blind study. While a fact - so what?  It proves absolutely nothing.

3)  "secret contracts" (gasp!!) that make others responsible for liability, permits, fines approvals, etc. of the vaccines.  Of Course Pfizer (more so than any other because they used 100% their own money to develop) has attorneys and they insisted on such liability protections etc, before distributing the vaccine on an emergency authorization and not waiting until the full authorization and approval by FDA and CDC for USA and equivalent agencies in other countries.  They would have been insane not to require this and would have been swamped with lawsuits (frivolous ones on technicalities!)  In the USA this no longer applies as the vaccine is now approved.  Yes, the attorneys - both Pfizer's and the government's - did what attorneys do and tried to play technicalities by giving the vaccine a specific name under the approval that differed from the name under the emergency authorization in part because of the exemption under the emergency authorization.  This all means absolutely nothing with regard to effectiveness or safety, just a bunch of lawyers being lawyers.

4) Sounds catchy, but totally inaccurate!  Lots of such ads for such things as mesothelioma, vitamin supplements, herbal medicines, etc. that the FDA has nothing to do with.

5)  "Original tweet removed"  Not sure what this one is even about other than alleged agressive enforcement of masks in Austailia.  This ain't Australia, I don't know, what is the point?

As to Free West Media - it is an unreliable source because it carries all manner of garbage and conceals its ownership and donors.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/free-west-media/

 

[gr8owl]

7 minutes ago, Caressa Duval said:

Jordan Klepper Debates Anti-Vax Mandate Protesters in NYC | The Daily Show

 

excellent! 

[Kaduk]

YouTube bans vaccine misinformation

theverge.com/2021/9/29/22700171/youtube-vaccine-misinformation-antivax-ban

https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2021/10/05/1043128091/to-capture-the-scope-of-covids-toll-this-photographer-spent-30-hours-on-one-phot?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20211005&utm_term=5832719&utm_campaign=the-new-normal&utm_id=55478639&orgid=33&utm_att1=

 

[LoneRebel-Banned]

On 9/27/2021 at 6:06 PM, Caressa Duval said:

@LoneRebel  You don't need to keep posting trying convince us not to fuck you! You succeeded 10 posts ago.

Seriously?!!  Your ego is so broken you needed to make this personal?

For All the Years you have been on this site I have never contacted you ever!  Why didnt you share that piece of data with everyone?

What makes you fear I would ever call you NOW that you've shown your glowing personality and your confusion of marketing data versus scientific data??

You obviously do not understand the probably of someone butt dialing your number, let alone the number of people that have an immune system capable of killing covid without  any vaccine.

Or was this just a sly hint to all the other perspective callers that you now require a vaccine passport ?

[LoneRebel-Banned]

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[LoneRebel-Banned]

On 9/27/2021 at 7:00 PM, gr8owl said:

1) the claim that Biden vaccine mandate does not apply to Congress and migrants.  Migrants - if they are employed by federal government or contractors getting federal money, yes they are mandated.  Usually this partial truth is slanted to illegal immigrants.  Let's be clear - it applies to contractors and employees.  Illegal immigrants and even legal ones that just arrived are not employed.  They will be mandated when they are.  As to Congress - of course they are not.  Neither are members of the Judicial Branch.  Those who successfully complete seventh grade civics understand the President cannot mandate the Legislative and Judicial Branches to do anything except as explicitly laid out in constitution..  They are co-equal branches.

2)  OK, so the United Kingdom counts participants in the original trials who received a placebo as "vaccinated".  The government is not who conducted the trials, so they do not have the specific information on who received placebo vs real.  There are privacy laws at play.  And that is what is meant by double blind study. While a fact - so what?  It proves absolutely nothing.

3)  "secret contracts" (gasp!!) that make others responsible for liability, permits, fines approvals, etc. of the vaccines.  Of Course Pfizer (more so than any other because they used 100% their own money to develop) has attorneys and they insisted on such liability protections etc, before distributing the vaccine on an emergency authorization and not waiting until the full authorization and approval by FDA and CDC for USA and equivalent agencies in other countries.  They would have been insane not to require this and would have been swamped with lawsuits (frivolous ones on technicalities!)  In the USA this no longer applies as the vaccine is now approved.  Yes, the attorneys - both Pfizer's and the government's - did what attorneys do and tried to play technicalities by giving the vaccine a specific name under the approval that differed from the name under the emergency authorization in part because of the exemption under the emergency authorization.  This all means absolutely nothing with regard to effectiveness or safety, just a bunch of lawyers being lawyers.

4) Sounds catchy, but totally inaccurate!  Lots of such ads for such things as mesothelioma, vitamin supplements, herbal medicines, etc. that the FDA has nothing to do with.

5)  "Original tweet removed"  Not sure what this one is even about other than alleged agressive enforcement of masks in Austailia.  This ain't Australia, I don't know, what is the point?

As to Free West Media - it is an unreliable source because it carries all manner of garbage and conceals its ownership and donors.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/free-west-media/

 

 

gr8owl, I still have that homemade vaccine for you. New and improved too! No boosters required!

Obviously my lawyer wants you to sign some papers first.

NO! You don't get to know the ingredients.

YES! If you don't take the jab you lose your job! Duh. 

 

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[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, LoneRebel said:

 

gr8owl, I still have that homemade vaccine for you. New and improved too! No boosters required!

Obviously my lawyer wants you to sign some papers first.

NO! You don't get to know the ingredients.

YES! If you don't take the jab you lose your job! Duh. 

 

Pretty much everything you might want to know:

https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/eua-fact-sheet-recipients.pdf

But the specific part asked about:

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE? The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine contains the following ingredients: messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]), tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.

That help?  Similar info available on the other two as well.

Take vaccine or lose job - pretty much is only federal employees, otherwise it is option for most to test weekly.

[Caressa Duval]

13 hours ago, LoneRebel said:

Or was this just a sly hint to all the other perspective callers that you now require a vaccine passport ?

This isn't a hint. I have made it publicly well known, a vaccine passport is required to visit my landing strip!

Edited October 27, 2021 by Caressa Duval

[LoneRebel-Banned]

   
   https://www.notonthebeeb.co.uk/post/surge-of-sports-people-worldwide-suffering-unexpected-ill-health
    
   https://3speak.tv/watch?v=pandemichealth/ptizyohg&utm_souce=player_brand
    
   https://brownstone.org/articles/regulatory-capture-in-the-age-of-covid/
    
  

 

[partyguy708]

On 2/10/2021 at 0:24 AM, gr8owl said:

Condoms are not natural - should we all go without and hope natural immunity kicks in to stop syphilis?  Planes, trains, computers, television, the internet, gas furnaces, refrigerators, freezers and on and on are not natural.  Life wearing animal skins and hiding from predators in a cave is natural.  Does that somehow make it great?  Vaccines have controlled measles, polio (get to that in a minute!!), small pox, whooping cough, tetanus, mumps and many more previously deadly and debilitating diseases.  Medical advances including vaccines have lead to tremendous improvement in the quality of life and the length as well.  I will gladly take that over "natural" outcomes that were frequently tragic.

 

She is one of the most vocal anti-vaxers out there and practically speaking a conspiracy theorist.  The book and her many "teachings" are rejected as nonsense by the majority of medical scientists.  And yes, it WAS the vaccines (both live and dead virus versions) that essentially brought an end to polio in this country and most countries in the world - with the exception of the rabidly anti-vax ones.

And general comment re all:

Anyone that does not wish to take the vaccine is free to so choose for whatever reason.  But as with most important issues of the day the spread of conspiracy theories and baseless fear and uncertainty among everyone else is slowly eating away the fabric of the country.  Those behind much of it laugh in glee.

Way to inject some facts into the debate. 

[LoneRebel-Banned]

On 9/1/2021 at 8:13 AM, Phil-anderer said:

Yeah, I'll stick with the consensus of experts, not people who've never practiced medicine doing their own internet research and reaching their own conclusions.  Since you read so much, surely you've uncovered the truth that in medicine, we don't just claim one study as gospel.  It's easy to cherry-pick.  Much harder to go to school into your mid-30's then spend a career studying something.

this site and mods are a bunch of nazis

 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

On 9/25/2022 at 3:39 PM, sunshinelovely said:

hpv isn't passed on to another person when you're medicated n get it treated. I wouldn't work if I knew there was a chance it would be passed to somebody. A lot of people have this n won't even bother telling anybody cause nobody honestly needs to know as long as you are taking care of yourself 

First things first, you're right, people suck. Thanks for being so forthright. Apparently transmissable from casual skin-to-skin contact, and where there seem to have been trials for treatment that would have rid the body of it as early as 2019 https://www.click2houston.com/health/2019/06/11/new-hpv-treatment-aims-to-wipe-out-virus-before-it-becomes-life-threatening/, they seem to have gone nowhere, as there is still no way to rid us of the virus itself, not even with disinfectants https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/popular-disinfectants-do-not-kill-hpv/, only its symptoms https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hpv-infection/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351602. Please, correct me if wrong.

The first to acknowledge that if "COVID" taught us anything it is, anything is possible when profits come before people and there is a way that is being suppressed for pure greed still, someone needs to know.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Hobby Hobbit

[sunshinelovely]

55 minutes ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

First things first, you're right, people suck. Thanks for being so forthright. Apparently transmissable from casual skin-to-skin contact, and where there seem to have been trials for treatment that would have rid the body of it as early as 2019 https://www.click2houston.com/health/2019/06/11/new-hpv-treatment-aims-to-wipe-out-virus-before-it-becomes-life-threatening/, they seem to have gone nowhere, as there is still no way to rid us of the virus itself, not even with disinfectants https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/popular-disinfectants-do-not-kill-hpv/, only its symptoms https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hpv-infection/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351602. Please, correct me if wrong.

The first to acknowledge that if "COVID" taught us anything it is, anything is possible when profits come before people and there is a way that is being suppressed for pure greed still, someone needs to know.

Well Im being honest about it everybody can see if I were asked about it I wouldn't lie but I dont outright say yeah this is what I have if I know I'm playing safe cause I do what I need to do to take care of it please correct me if I'm wrong if guys prefer me to just outright say it before they book with me then I guess I could start doing that whatever makes the man most comfortable 

Edited September 27, 2022 by sunshinelovely