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I can tell you that if you didn't call me to say you are not showing up because you didn't let me know that my location was an issue, that you would be blacklisted. NCNS are a ZERO tolerance policy for me...I do not give second chances unless it can be proven a very good reason, and I get a reason for it. It takes literally 30 seconds to call and explain. It is that big of a deal. Now, for stuttering over questions...I might be leery, but blacklisted?! No!

Of course, I am not the one that you talked to, and as it has been stated with convos, there are 3 sides to a story. Try to find someone willing to see you, and in the future, do your homework about a lady before you make the call so maybe you won't encounter these types of situations. That means read reviews, websites, 411's, etc.

I, along with countless of other providers, get tired of clients being ignorant. We pay good money and take time to spell out what we expect...taking 30 seconds to read would save you a lot of time and heartache.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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29 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

You just don't get it, do you?  All this secret, hush-hush black list discussion disturbs clients.  When a client has a pattern of unreturned phone calls, he may begin to wonder, "Have I been blacklisted? Why? By who?" 

We(clients) get that you(ladies )need a mechanism for safety, to protect you from criminals who would do you harm.  But when you carry on about using blacklists for "whatever the reason", where is the safety value in that?  You do yourself a disservice by hiding the wheat amongst the chaff.  You also do the public a disservice with discussions of trivial (relative to safety issues) use of blacklists.  Where is the proportion & balance in the system?

Several reasonable providers have chimed in that they evaluate blacklist entries individually.  But how many ladies say, "Done!" when a name or number pops up on the blacklists. (Yes, there are also clients who discard ladies for a single poor review, without drilling down into the details.)

One of the differences between review systems and blacklist systems is that most review systems have published rules, enforced by moderators. (Granted, some rule sets are stricter than others, and/or more loosely enforced.)  From a client's perspective, the secretive blacklist systems are unregulated cudgels.  Would you care to shed some light on the subject and dispel that opinion?  You keep saying that I don't know Jack - EDUCATE ME!

Are you fucking kidding me?

The blacklist is a tool for the women to use, period. You, as a client,  do not have any entitlement to a call back, an appointment, or really anything else. Face it, for every woman who checks the BL, there are prolly 3 more that don't; and because this business is client-centric when it comes to privacy, as has been mentioned: it's much easier for a man to reinvent himself. To be clear: that does not obviate the necessity for the lists, but it does make them less useful.

Now, did you want to debate her about which is better tampons or pads? :rolleyes:

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40 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

You just don't get it, do you?  All this secret, hush-hush black list discussion disturbs clients.  When a client has a pattern of unreturned phone calls, he may begin to wonder, "Have I been blacklisted? Why? By who?" 

We(clients) get that you(ladies )need a mechanism for safety, to protect you from criminals who would do you harm.  But when you carry on about using blacklists for "whatever the reason", where is the safety value in that?  You do yourself a disservice by hiding the wheat amongst the chaff.  You also do the public a disservice with discussions of trivial (relative to safety issues) use of blacklists.  Where is the proportion & balance in the system?

Several reasonable providers have chimed in that they evaluate blacklist entries individually.  But how many ladies say, "Done!" when a name or number pops up on the blacklists. (Yes, there are also clients who discard ladies for a single poor review, without drilling down into the details.)

One of the differences between review systems and blacklist systems is that most review systems have published rules, enforced by moderators. (Granted, some rule sets are stricter than others, and/or more loosely enforced.)  From a client's perspective, the secretive blacklist systems are unregulated cudgels.  Would you care to shed some light on the subject and dispel that opinion?  You keep saying that I don't know Jack - EDUCATE ME!

Bit, if a lady is going to say"Done" to a guy stuttering on the phone, did you really want to see someone that is going to be that picky?! If a lady doesn't want to see you whether she says cause you were blacklisted, or didn't click with you...move on. Too many fish in the sea.

The ladies that have been doing this a while, and do weed through the crap(if there is some) know better. You guys need to chill about blacklists.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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1 minute ago, SultryKitten said:

You guys need to chill about blacklists.

Yeah, and you gals need to chill about reviews.  It goes both ways.

For what it's worth, the OP didn't ring true.  But I see nothing wrong with being curious about whether/why one has been black-listed.  Virtually every week some hooker gets her panties in a twist because of a bad review, & thinks she's done nothing to deserve it.  Suddenly it's not OK for a john to ask questions?

Anyway, the OP would do well not only to re-invent himself name-wise, but also to re-invent himself behavior-wise.  He will find it much easier to get laid.  As I've said before, politeness will get you a long way, even past a nebulous black list.

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41 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

You just don't get it, do you?  All this secret, hush-hush black list discussion disturbs clients.  When a client has a pattern of unreturned phone calls, he may begin to wonder, "Have I been blacklisted? Why? By who?" 

We(clients) get that you(ladies )need a mechanism for safety, to protect you from criminals who would do you harm.  But when you carry on about using blacklists for "whatever the reason", where is the safety value in that?  You do yourself a disservice by hiding the wheat amongst the chaff.  You also do the public a disservice with discussions of trivial (relative to safety issues) use of blacklists.  Where is the proportion & balance in the system?

Several reasonable providers have chimed in that they evaluate blacklist entries individually.  But how many ladies say, "Done!" when a name or number pops up on the blacklists. (Yes, there are also clients who discard ladies for a single poor review, without drilling down into the details.)

One of the differences between review systems and blacklist systems is that most review systems have published rules, enforced by moderators. (Granted, some rule sets are stricter than others, and/or more loosely enforced.)  From a client's perspective, the secretive blacklist systems are unregulated cudgels.  Would you care to shed some light on the subject and dispel that opinion?  You keep saying that I don't know Jack - EDUCATE ME!

So then answer me, what blacklist sites are you familiar with? I am and have many times to try and explain what the deal is. What difference does it make to you if a lady chooses not to see someone based off a blacklisting? It shouldn't. Some don't take risks as is their choice much like the choice guys have when it comes to screening. Wanting to eliminate risk completely is a behavior that works both ways.

Blacklists are nothing more than communities for providers to swap information. Where we can warn each other about potentially dangerous clients as well as clients that leave skid marks on sheets. It stays private because it's sensitive. I have said before they are moderated and they do have rules. I don't know how many times I can tell you that before you understand it. You're assuming that there is some site out there where we trash people publicly with no recourse. If it were true it would be found out.

I have NEVER joined a site that offered a product for providers that didn't make me verify that I was actually who I said I was. We almost always have to use our work emails and numbers to verify ourselves before we're allowed to join. If we as providers and these blacklist sites were truly lacking the discretion that people think we do, we would really all be up shit creek. If there were truth to the sites being public and unchecked we would have true stories of guys losing jobs/wives/dignity rather than the cautionary tales. But it just doesn't happen.

I don't condone useless blacklistings, but what is useless to me may not be useless to the next person. So if a provider feels she has a valid complaint she does, I don't have to agree so I disagree silently. Blacklist sites/verification/provider only sites are not just for violent offenders and criminals. Blacklist is the preferred terminology because it has negative connotation. But they're not %100 negative spaces. They are communication spaces and all kinds of communication goes on there because providers are able to speak more freely and start conversations and get advice from their peers. These sites really are multipurpose, they're not like not databases of suspected criminals.

The idea that blacklists are open for debate needs to die. It's not open for debate. Providers have decided as a group that private provider only spaces are the way to go. Resources were created for us and we love them. Clients opinions about them mean nothing, you have no bearing on their usage. If you have problems with the system that you use please feel free to address the powers at be and see if you can inspire change. But provider only sites aren't part of your system. What we have works for us and the only people I see complaining about blacklists are those that have never and will never need to use them. It sounds harsh but I really don't care to appease the minds of guys who think blacklists are problems. Providers like their system, it works for us and it keeps us safe. To be wary of them is a personal problem not a community problem. To divulge to much about them compromises their privacy and usefulness.  Not being able to satisfy curiosity is frustrating and I get that's frustrating to feel left out of something but guys can really relax. We're good at what we do, discretion is our business and we collectively succeed admirably. We watch out for you guys at all times, it's part of our job so you can trust when we say that we're discreet.

 

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15 hours ago, MAG said:

Yeah, and you gals need to chill about reviews.  It goes both ways.

For what it's worth, the OP didn't ring true.  But I see nothing wrong with being curious about whether/why one has been black-listed.  Virtually every week some hooker gets her panties in a twist because of a bad review, & thinks she's done nothing to deserve it.  Suddenly it's not OK for a john to ask questions?

Anyway, the OP would do well not only to re-invent himself name-wise, but also to re-invent himself behavior-wise.  He will find it much easier to get laid.  As I've said before, politeness will get you a long way, even past a nebulous black list.

Please link all the threads where ladies complain about how they got a bad review. Please link the threads where providers tell dudes how to run reviews.

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16 hours ago, MAG said:

Yeah, and you gals need to chill about reviews.  It goes both ways.

For what it's worth, the OP didn't ring true.  But I see nothing wrong with being curious about whether/why one has been black-listed.  Virtually every week some hooker gets her panties in a twist because of a bad review, & thinks she's done nothing to deserve it.  Suddenly it's not OK for a john to ask questions?

Anyway, the OP would do well not only to re-invent himself name-wise, but also to re-invent himself behavior-wise.  He will find it much easier to get laid.  As I've said before, politeness will get you a long way, even past a nebulous black list.

Yeah...I don't worry about what is in reviews. I do my "job". I know what reviews, and I am cool with it.

If guys are seeing girls that get their "panties in a bunch", maybe they should be doing their homework. I know that clients talk about providers more than providers talk about clients. You want to know who is drama free...that info is out there. Politeness helps too.

We are not divulging info about blacklists, sorry bud!

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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15 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

...............but guys can really relax. We're good at what we do, discretion is our business and we collectively succeed admirably. We watch out for you guys at all times, it's part of our job so you can trust when we say that we're discreet.

 

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1 minute ago, Laplace said:

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 Personal problems shouldn't interfere with a system that works. It works for the masses, your problems with it are your own. But again with all that inside knowledge you have maybe you do know something. You're problem isn't more important than the thousands of women who rely on blacklists.

If we weren't discreet and good at what we do you guys wouldn't have the courage to talk shit the way you do. If BLs were so scary and bad and all were blacklisted for such trivial reasons then most of you around here would never be able to get another appointment. But that is not the case because our tolerance for bullshit as providers is remarkably high.

 

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17 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So then answer me, what blacklist sites are you familiar with? I am and have many times to try and explain what the deal is. What difference does it make to you if a lady chooses not to see someone based off a blacklisting? It shouldn't. Some don't take risks as is their choice much like the choice guys have when it comes to screening. Wanting to eliminate risk completely is a behavior that works both ways.

Blacklists are nothing more than communities for providers to swap information. Where we can warn each other about potentially dangerous clients as well as clients that leave skid marks on sheets. It stays private because it's sensitive. I have said before they are moderated and they do have rules. I don't know how many times I can tell you that before you understand it. You're assuming that there is some site out there where we trash people publicly with no recourse. If it were true it would be found out.

I have NEVER joined a site that offered a product for providers that didn't make me verify that I was actually who I said I was. We almost always have to use our work emails and numbers to verify ourselves before we're allowed to join. If we as providers and these blacklist sites were truly lacking the discretion that people think we do, we would really all be up shit creek. If there were truth to the sites being public and unchecked we would have true stories of guys losing jobs/wives/dignity rather than the cautionary tales. But it just doesn't happen.

I don't condone useless blacklistings, but what is useless to me may not be useless to the next person. So if a provider feels she has a valid complaint she does, I don't have to agree so I disagree silently. Blacklist sites/verification/provider only sites are not just for violent offenders and criminals. Blacklist is the preferred terminology because it has negative connotation. But they're not %100 negative spaces. They are communication spaces and all kinds of communication goes on there because providers are able to speak more freely and start conversations and get advice from their peers. These sites really are multipurpose, they're not like not databases of suspected criminals.

The idea that blacklists are open for debate needs to die. It's not open for debate. Providers have decided as a group that private provider only spaces are the way to go. Resources were created for us and we love them. Clients opinions about them mean nothing, you have no bearing on their usage. If you have problems with the system that you use please feel free to address the powers at be and see if you can inspire change. But provider only sites aren't part of your system. What we have works for us and the only people I see complaining about blacklists are those that have never and will never need to use them. It sounds harsh but I really don't care to appease the minds of guys who think blacklists are problems. Providers like their system, it works for us and it keeps us safe. To be wary of them is a personal problem not a community problem. To divulge to much about them compromises their privacy and usefulness.  Not being able to satisfy curiosity is frustrating and I get that's frustrating to feel left out of something but guys can really relax. We're good at what we do, discretion is our business and we collectively succeed admirably. We watch out for you guys at all times, it's part of our job so you can trust when we say that we're discreet.

 

This makes sense to me.  Why shouldn't the ladies be able to communicate privately about us?  Everyone, providers and clients, knows that there are a lot of guys out there that none of us would want to spend 5 minutes talking to, much less become intimate with.  They need to be able to tell each other about those guys, not to mention the actually crazy and dangerous ones.  We Johns have that opportunity to warn each other when we review the ladies, they need an outlet too.

Frankly, I think that if you are a gentleman and treat the ladies with respect, blacklists and "John review" sites work in your favor. 

In response to the initial OP's question of how do you get off of a blacklist - the answer is that you probably can't.  What you can do is get a P411 account, behave yourself, don't stand someone up as a no-show,  and start accumulating OKs.  If you get half a dozen OKs there you won't have any problem getting a date.  It also speeds the whole process: last week I unexpectedly found myself with time on my hands, went to the P411 "Available Now" listings, found a lady that I had been wanting to see, sent a quick request and a text, and "badda boom" was in her arms 30 minutes later since I had OKs from women she knew.  She didn't have time to check "blacklists" and my OKs reassured her that she did not need to do so.

Good luck, be a gentleman, and BTW, there is nothing wrong with hotels - I actually prefer them: you always know that the sheets, shower and towels are going to be clean (just make sure that you are visiting only well and extensively reviewed ladies).

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On ‎9‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 5:09 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

So then answer me, what blacklist sites are you familiar with? ...

Blacklist is the preferred terminology because it has negative connotation. But they're not %100 negative spaces. They are communication spaces and all kinds of communication goes on there because providers are able to speak more freely and start conversations and get advice from their peers. ...

... Clients opinions about them mean nothing, you have no bearing on their usage. ...

 

Lucy,

Thank you for the rational and educational response. The highlighted portion was particularly helpful.  I would point out that if clients' opinions mean nothing, the corollary is that ladies should have nothing to say about reviews, including voluntary DNR placement.  This is contrary to my opinion - providers should have input on the design of review systems.  BTW: My exposure to blacklist systems is nationalblacklist.com

 

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On September 23, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

 

"Where we can warn each other about potentially dangerous clients as well as clients that leave skid marks on sheets."

I missed this earlier. This really happens?!

Guys ... Seriously. Wipe your asses.

 

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