Probably ripped off for a large amt...

[Guest]

The reason my reviews are recent is because I had the same 2 hobbyists for around ten years before relocating to denver. I never even advertised till 3 months ago, not once. I networked out of a couple high end clubs and met a couple of very well connected people between Austin and San Antonio. In addition, I have a white collar finance job and only Picked up my pace recently. As one of my favorite newer clients put it..."b_genderous" is one of the best." I have kept my shit together from day one, so if there is any legal, non violent, and civil recourse...

I will dig that information up and learn what's next. He probably counts on the provider being ashamed, having children and.not wanting to risk arrest, etc...but I don't have any of that shit. I have time galore, a few bucks in the bank, and determination to retain that ONE part of my dignity he thinks he can remove by threatening to out me to my parents. My parents would not only be unsurprised, but they would STILL love me enough to not let some creep push me around with that sort of bullshit. I know I will not recover my $ most likely, but he finally drew the wrong card and got himself a chick who will HAPPILY take a citation for the team...cause why the hell not? I have no priors, as well as the means to lawyer up. I dare him to try to get the authorities or my family involved...cause the amount of fucks I do NOT have would shock the shit out someone like him...fuck crazy, I'm too smart to flip out. Brains will get me vindication in some for or another and it will also make him look like a predator and a dumbass to boot.

[The Oxymoron]

It's up to the provider to make sure she gets paid, in full, up front. Failing to do so, and getting ripped off, is hopefully an expensive lesson learned.

How about this.... instead of trying to act like a bad ass after getting screwed over, try acting like a professional from the get go. Screen your clients the best you can and get paid up front, like most providers (providers who don't get ripped off) do.

[2small]

I just want to know how a lady with twelve years experience as an ASP could or would fall for something like that from a first time customer. we are all human and make mistakes from time to time but this is huge. kind of like that song by THE WHO, 'wont get fooled again!!!"

[Bit Banger]

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How about this.... instead of trying to act like a bad ass after getting screwed over, try acting like a professional from the get go. Screen your clients the best you can and get paid up front, like most providers (providers who don't get ripped off) do.

I didn't see the OP going 'bad ass'. That was other providers backing her up. (Yes, recommendations of physical violence get BSC status.)

Did she make a few rookie mistakes? Yes!

All that being said, I would have a difficult time forking over 5X(typical 1hr rate) to any provider, regardless of her reputation, for a first time visit. Someone willing to do this in the TOB market should raise alarm bells for a provider from the get go. We fellas talk about the little head doing our thinking. I think this was a case of the purse doing the thinking.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Bit Banger
Add remarks about little head & purse.

[MAG]

It's up to the provider to make sure she gets paid, in full, up front. Failing to do so, and getting ripped off, is hopefully an expensive lesson learned.

How about this.... instead of trying to act like a bad ass after getting screwed over, try acting like a professional from the get go. Screen your clients the best you can and get paid up front, like most providers (providers who don't get ripped off) do.

Agreed.

[MrReindeer-9515]

It's up to the provider to make sure she gets paid, in full, up front. Failing to do so, and getting ripped off, is hopefully an expensive lesson learned.

How about this.... instead of trying to act like a bad ass after getting screwed over, try acting like a professional from the get go. Screen your clients the best you can and get paid up front, like most providers (providers who don't get ripped off) do.

Well after all those years of earning your keep with your "chair"(you can either sit on it, or sell it), it's nice that you were never robbed, ripped off, or beaten up by a client.

Let's face it: it's an illegal business with no conventional recourse. I submit that not only is it a mistake that could be made by a veteran, as well as a newbie, but if other reports are to be believed: he's done this before.

I agree it was an expensive mistake, but I also submit that if he had received a good swift kick in the nuts by someone else, that he would think twice before doing it again.

[socutesocurvy]

Think of the positive, he didn't hurt you and you didn't get arrested. Money is just money.

[Guest]

Well, you ALL seem like pretty nice folks...even the ones who don't fully believe me here are being cool and not dicks. I have been ripped off a bit over the years, but not so blatantly fucked up in manner like this...im talkinfg 60 to 100 max and they at least had the courtesy to get the F*** outta my life and not verbally abuse me afterward...

But seriously, THANK Y'ALL for going a little easy on me and helping out with info too. To those who only said "shoulda got paid up front" well...I had a couple great "pals" and I always let them pay after or however was best. They were just decent people who kept their words and did the right thing. Lesson learned. Always settle up before.

Finding all these online resources the past couple months was a shock to me at first, I didnt realize that the "industry" had gotten so...organized. I have rules to learn im sure, but all in all I like the new solidarity and transparency and it's great $. I <3 Colorado and think I'll stay awhile.

[gr8owl]

The reason my reviews are recent is because I had the same 2 hobbyists for around ten years before relocating to denver. I never even advertised till 3 months ago, not once. I networked out of a couple high end clubs .........

So there WAS more to the story. ^this^ and Kyla informing us that he has a habit of doing this and is already black listed. Soooo ..... back to my first post, first statement - I am sorry this happened to you And even more sorry that it happened to many others as well. Your story without details did not make sense. Now it does. I would note also I did suggest black list and reporting to p411 if he is a member. You ladies need to watch out for each other. Be more careful, welcome to the area and best wishes.

[gr8owl]

Somehow this doesn't surprise me at all. It's so very easy to believe when a client has horror stories about BSC providers but when it goes the other way and a lady has issues she must be bat shit crazy and not telling the whole story?? Did I say she was bat shit crazy. No, I said the story as told was bs and there must be more to the story. There was more to the story .... see other post couple minutes ago.

I know my opinion only counts for half since I am one of those wimmen y'all dislike so much but read on anyways. Seriously Lucy? When have I ever belittled you, your opinion, other ladies, or providers in general? Or ever stated or implied that I do not like you?

No one asked whether or not you actually believed it, and the OP certainly didn't ask whether or not her story sounded legit. She asked for advice. Regardless of gender when someone appears here out of the blue and makes serious allegations and threatens the other person (I know your name and where you live!) I want the full story before blindly jumping on board and taking their word for it. It is called being fair.

Any man who is brazen enough to rip off a provider in his own home probably deserves a metaphorical maybe even literal swift kick in the nuts. And on this we agree wholeheartedly. He deserves whatever he gets, although I don't generally recommend exchange of nuclear options cause no one wins.

[Natasha212]

yep same guy tried to do that to me, CRAZY not cool at all, i drove out there, and knew as soon as i got close to his house he told me to met him at hospitol that he has a friend that was close to passing away, smelled BS then, i left after he told me to met him somewhere else other than what we planed sorry this happened to u

[Natasha212]

if this is the same guy, he tried to rip me off. i drove out there and all of a sudden the outcall changed and i SMELLED his BS ive been doing this 3 years and my gut told me it he was up to no good. i did my screening and decided to drive out there, just glad i left when i did and just waistes gas and time.

[Big unit]

Sorry this happened to you. Fortunately, guys like that are the minority here I think. As to you people ragging on her for just making a mistake, you need to realize that ALL pros screw up, did you see the final play call in the superbowl?Hell, I've been doing my job for 10 years, damn near lost a hand last week due to a rookie mistake.

[Lucy Kitten]

Sorry Gr8owl didn't mean to wrap you up in the vitriol meant for av8tr. Must have been the 8s. So I very much apologize to you

No we don't always get full stories but I am sure that her side of things wont change and it's not like whoever ripped her off is going to join in the conversation and confirm her story.

It's so very frustrating to see someone ask for help and get nothing but in frustration in return.

[Lucy Kitten]

There have been two hookers on this thread who have advocated physical violence as an appropriate response to this situation. Regardless of whether the story is true as told by the OP, that's bat shit crazy.

That's not bat shit crazy, what's crazy it's calling women bat shit crazy hookers but still demand that they show some level of respect for the men around here.

"Clients", and I use the term loosely with you, that share your beliefs make this business dangerous for women.

[MAG]

That's not bat shit crazy, what's crazy it's calling women bat shit crazy hookers but still demand that they show some level of respect for the men around here.

"Clients", and I use the term loosely with you, that share your beliefs make this business dangerous for women.

Right, I'M the dangerous one.

I'm not the one who is ready to crush some guy's coconuts without even bothering to consider the other side of the story.

You spend so much time here being self righteous about womens safety, yet you appear to have no qualms about physically attacking a guy for something you're not sure he did. Even if he did it, do you really think violence is the answer? Obviously you do, which makes you no better than him.

I'm sure I'd never see Holly L or Melissa S publicly advocating a kick in the nuts. After all, They have class.

[Lucy Kitten]

Right, I'M the dangerous one.

I'm not the one who is ready to crush some guy's coconuts without even bothering to consider the other side of the story.

You spend so much time here being self righteous about womens safety, yet you appear to have no qualms about physically attacking a guy for something you're not sure he did. Even if he did it, do you really think violence is the answer? Obviously you do, which makes you no better than him.

I'm sure I'd never see Holly L or Melissa S publicly advocating a kick in the nuts. After all, They have class.

You should try comedy, that time I had tears rolling down my cheeks. If you ever bothered to read my full statements instead of cherry picking them to help your "Lucy is the She Devil" campaign you might actually get what I am trying to say.

With the constant encouragement of giving as little screening info as possible, not sharing board or review handles and referring to ladies as bat shit crazy hookers you make our job more difficult and more dangerous. We have zero recourse. We can't go to the police, black lists are pointless, we can't ask the discussion board because without the other side of the story how would we ever know it's true? But reviews for rip off girls should be posted right away to help the guys.

The only recourse we have is to get guys where it hurts and I truly mean that metaphorically but for some that could really mean literally.

Edited March 12, 2015 by luce kytten
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[MAG]

You should try comedy, that time I had tears rolling down my cheeks. If you ever bothered to read my full statements instead of cherry picking them to help your "Lucy is the She Devil" campaign you might actually get what I am trying to say.

With the constant encouragement of giving as little screening info as possible, not sharing board or review handles and referring to ladies as bat shit crazy hookers you make our job more difficult and more dangerous. We have zero recourse. We can't go to the police, black lists are pointless, we can't ask the discussion board because without the other side of the story how would we ever know it's true? But reviews for rip off girls should be posted right away to help the guys.

The only recourse we have is to get guys where it hurts and I truly mean that metaphorically but for some that could really mean literally.

Oh, now it's metaphorical. Back-pedaling isn't your strong suit.

Yes, rip off reviews should be posted. Why? Because in most cases it's easy for johns to figure out which ones are BS and which are not. And yes, I will grant that some are bullshit.

I don't make anyone's job more dangerous. You can still screen or not screen, despite my recommendations. Don't play your little "woe is me" game & pin it on me. If a John calls you and says "av8r told me not to give you my info" you can say "I refuse to book with you". It's that simple.

If you feel you have no recourse, then screen like crazy. Metaphorically, I mean.

[Lucy Kitten]

Oh, now it's metaphorical. Back-pedaling isn't your strong suit.

Yes, rip off reviews should be posted. Why? Because in most cases it's easy for johns to figure out which ones are BS and which are not. And yes, I will grant that some are bullshit.

I don't make anyone's job more dangerous. You can still screen or not screen, despite my recommendations. Don't play your little "woe is me" game & pin it on me. If a John calls you and says "av8r told me not to give you my info" you can say "I refuse to book with you". It's that simple.

If you feel you have no recourse, then screen like crazy. Metaphorically, I mean.

It's not feeling like there is no recourse, there is none. It drops below zero when anonymity is encouraged. Does that not make sense to you? Also for anyone who was unclear screening doesn't stop someone from being an asshole. Ask the girls who have been stood up recently and have come here to talk about it. References don't mean much in the grand scheme of things either just because someone was nice to X doesn't mean things will go swimmingly with Y.

No one likes to admit then they have been ripped off and this thread is one of the reasons why. No sympathy just a bunch of "you should have known better" and "is this really the truth?" BS. I would venture a guess to say that a good portion of us ladies have been ripped off and have been ripped off by someone that either passed screening or probably even more commonly by someone who we have seen before and built some level of "trust" with.

There is no woe is me act and there is no pinning anything on you. I said the danger was in ALL clients that think like that. If you're never going to step outside your box at least put a window in.

[Guest]

It's not feeling like there is no recourse, there is none.

I disagree with you, here's why. While she may never recover her money, girls will take action against any guy. It becomes a street level harassment (even if he was wrong). They use of many forms as retaliation, public outing, telling his wife, showing up his job, or family members job to even get them fired, violence to beat his ass, send someone to kick his ass, internet key board warriors for public outing, telling some lies and some truth to make it legit even if its not. (for those whom are stupid and believe everything will) They will tell other girls he has HIV/herpes. We have some providers right here in Denver who will publicly out anyone for NO REASON AT ALL. This is why I tell everyone both hookers & Johns, don't tell anyone your name, dob, where you live... it only takes one person to destroy you. Trust me some bitches don't give a fuck who they hurt and destroy.

The smartest thing she can learn from this is move on, screen and get paid upfront. Otherwise NEXT... If a guy does not feel comfortable in your screening.... NEXT. Some girls will require a fee upfront towards the appointment for booking process.

It drops below zero when anonymity is encouraged. Does that not make sense to you? Also for anyone who was unclear screening doesn't stop someone from being an asshole. Ask the girls who have been stood up recently and have come here to talk about it. References don't mean much in the grand scheme of things either just because someone was nice to X doesn't mean things will go swimmingly with Y.

Thank you for saying this, This is why I consider most references bullshit. I seldom except them.Beside some girls don't call back, don't respond to email, or your text, some girls will bitch you the fuck out just for calling them, so you won't call them again for reference. Happens all the time.

No one likes to admit then they have been ripped off and this thread is one of the reasons why. No sympathy just a bunch of "you should have known better" and "is this really the truth?" BS. I would venture a guess to say that a good portion of us ladies have been ripped off and have been ripped off by someone that either passed screening or probably even more commonly by someone who we have seen before and built some level of "trust" with.

There is no woe is me act and there is no pinning anything on you. I said the danger was in ALL clients that think like that. If you're never going to step outside your box at least put a window in.

[Guest]

With the constant encouragement of giving as little screening info as possible, not sharing board or review handles and referring to ladies as bat shit crazy hookers you make our job more difficult and more dangerous.

Based on my personal experience of getting outed, harassed and set up: If we didn't have so many bat shit crazy girls we wouldn't have this problem. If we didn't have so many guys who pull shit like this less outings would take place,. Then we have providers & Johns right here on this form who where outed for no reason at all. So why should they give out there info.... FUCK NO THEY SHOULD NEVER GIVE IT OUT NEITHER SHOULD ANY ESCORT. Just my OP.

Now I find this comment very truthful. But in Denver we have so many girls who will fuck you up and distroy your life, and they have been know to go after your family members too. They have been known to this to both providers and johns. Again, based on my personal experience of getting outed, if I was john, I would never give any escort my personal info. Now If I had never been harassed, I wouldn't be warning anyone. I will warn all the guys until the day I die. I will never stop.

Every single newbie I see... I tell him at the end of the session to get p411.

Never give out your info to any escort. The reason I do this, its my way of warning others. I also tell new escorts not to give out there personal info as well to anyone. If you piss off the wrong hooker, or have disagreement shit can hit the fan. Which is all stupid. But the fact is it happens.