Posted December 17, 2013 Question... I see these little disclaimers frequently posted in provider's ads... is there any real point or purpose to them? I mean, from a legal standpoint, do they actually offer any kind of protection for the provider in the event that she should happen to get busted? Or is this just another common misconception about the workings of the legal system (like asking an undercover cop if he/she is really a cop and foolishly thinking that they are actually required by law to tell you if they are)? Or, is this meant as some kind of ridiculous tactic to "fool" any LE that might come across the provider's ad into thinking her services are actaully on the up and up? Or, is this some kind of a sleazy bait & switch tactic on the part of the provider to cheat the client out of his money without actually having to provide any services? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 17, 2013 Oops... I tried to include a pic of the little disclaimer that I was talking about, but for some reason the pic didn't show up in my original post. But, I'm sure y'all have seen them and know what I'm talking about. They typically say something along the lines of: "By contacting me you agree that any money exchanged is for time and companionship only...blah, blah, blah...this is not an offer for prostitution...yada, yada, yada....anything that may take place is between to consenting adults... and so on and so forth." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 17, 2013 It means nothing legally. They do it because other providers do it so they think maybe they should also. It doesn't mean they are a real provider or a rip-off artist. It means nothing. Disclaimer: By reading this, you agree that I am not a lawyer. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 18, 2013 Disclaimer: By reading this, you agree that I am not a lawyer. Love that part 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 18, 2013 No, it just makes the ladies feel better for whatever reason. Once your in there is only one way out disclaimer, no disclaimer. Lilithia 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 19, 2013 My understanding that a contract between a sub and dom is meaningless too even no money exchanged . She/he can sue for physical abuse even if she/ he signed the contract. Is this true ? feel free to pm if you would like. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 19, 2013 It can be used to cheat client's money. This actually happened to me few weeks ago. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 19, 2013 It can be used to cheat client's money. This actually happened to me few weeks ago. That's something that I suspected and had concerns about. Sorry to hear you got cheated, man. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 19, 2013 Goggles, I seriously doubt most providers who post such a disclaimer truly think it will do anything to prevent them from issues which might arise with LE...Anyone can claim they do not violate any laws, but it does not excuse or prevent them for being arrested if they should get caught doing that...Personally, I feel that a disclaimer could do more harm then it could ever do good should a lady get caught violating the law...Since there are no entrapment laws in this state or most any other in the U.S., the district attorney could have a field day with such a disclaimer, as it only serves to reinforce a lady's questionable character by proving she is dishonest even in her advertising...This would certainly not sit well in the eyes of a jury ins such a case...So it is quite possible using such a disclaimer could actually be a liability... And I doubt that any reputable lady would use such a disclaimer to rip off the guys here....Most of the ladies here use this forum as it was intended and have worked hard to establish a good name and a solid reputation in the business...These ladies are well reviewed and well respected...They are not like many ladies in other places and have helped to create an area for gentlemen like yourself to meet quality ladies in a safe and friendly environment...So it makes no sense that the established ladies in this forum would even consider using such a disclosure to rip of a gentleman here or anywhere else....It is extremely unlikely any of them would risk destroying years of hard work to rip a gentleman off for a few hundred dollars... By the way Joey009, I am very sorry to hear you got ripped off but honestly you have been around long enough that you should know better... You should realize when it comes to providers there is a huge difference between the ladies here and those in other advertising venues...And when you venture into places that are known for having women who run fake or questionable ads, the odds that you are going to be ripped off increase exponentially, and while it might not happen today or tomorrow, it will happen eventually when you insist on seeing these less than reputable providers.... Well I hope that helped to answer your questions Goggles....And while I am no expert, I have been around here long enough to know that the best and safest way for you to get what you want and are laying your hard earned money down, is to stay with the reputable providers available in this forum... Have a wonderful day and a beautiful upcoming weekend... Barbi For the ladies if you are interested in protecting yourself from your internet material ever being utilized against you, the disclaimer currently may not be the answer...Instead consider contacting an attorney who specializes in the area of copyright and copyright infringement...There is an avenue which can help protect you in this area through the Berner Convention and utilizes the UCC and Rome Statutes which will protect your information under federal, state, city and local laws....It is definitely something you should look into... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 20, 2013 I think it's a way of saying, "I'm offering what you may be looking for" but not really, mister vice cop. It's mostly, don't fuck with me LE, even if you show up at my door with my ad from today in full-sized color, even while in the act (which you can't ever do anyway without permission), you can't do anything without a warrant and that will never lead to evidence of any exchange of anything for a private act in a hotel room. No credit card transactions without a subpoena or checks leaving a paper trail. Even a hotel room is treated as your residence under the 4th amendment just like your car. The hotel nor the police can do anything without your consent or a warrant. It's best not to say anything and hand him your lawyer's card and wait. The cop will leave sooner or later, he has to prove he did something productive during his shift. There is a new law in the works to circumvent this annoying protection of privacy right that will create yet other ripples and unintended consequences. The new bill will lead to a charge of "unlawful use of a hotel room". Hahaha. Define lawful use please. No masterbating either or refusing to sleep? So set up a video camera on a tripod (iphone) (leave it off (or on as you desire) and this is legal use of a hotel room, whether for making amateur porn or just having intercourse (talking). This law will cause tremendous problems. Try to tell salesmen and sales brokers they can't make calls out of a hotel room and try enforce it. Neither hotels nor cops will do it. Sex is legal. Selling is legal. Therefore selling sex is legal. It's called a date or marriage...in other circles. You can't make more unjust laws that reduce freedom and are already unjust. The disclaimer just means don't ask stupid questions on the phone (which sucks because a lack of reviews means having to ask to stupid questions at some point..."don't worry, we'll have fun.."...(that is always the response (when sketchy) or 'click' (when real)). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 20, 2013 Or, is this some kind of a sleazy bait & switch tactic on the part of the provider to cheat the client out of his money without actually having to provide any services? Had this happen a few times. Last time I had the raincoat on top of the donation on the night stand. The lady wouldn't touch the cover and admitted there would be nothing intimate, she was only working to pay for school. Adios, no tip. Back to square one to work my way down the wish list. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 20, 2013 Interesting that no provider's with such a disclaimer have responded to this post with their true reasons.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 20, 2013 ... The hotel nor the police can do anything without your consent or a warrant. ... Probable cause. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 20, 2013 I add one to most of my ads because I noticed a huge decrease in BS calls, blocked calls and unserious people in general. Not sure it helps legally but it's worth having in my opinion!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2013 Question... I see these little disclaimers frequently posted in provider's ads... is there any real point or purpose to them? I mean, from a legal standpoint, do they actually offer any kind of protection for the provider in the event that she should happen to get busted? Or is this just another common misconception about the workings of the legal system (like asking an undercover cop if he/she is really a cop and foolishly thinking that they are actually required by law to tell you if they are)? Or, is this meant as some kind of ridiculous tactic to "fool" any LE that might come across the provider's ad into thinking her services are actaully on the up and up? Or, is this some kind of a sleazy bait & switch tactic on the part of the provider to cheat the client out of his money without actually having to provide any services? These statments are extremely legally binding and will hold fast even in the supreme court. by reading this you agree to send $500 via Western Union to boink36. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2013 These statments are extremely legally binding and will hold fast even in the supreme court. by reading this you agree to send $500 via Western Union to boink36. Hey boink... I'm standing in line at the Western Union counter and I just realized that I only have $300 cash on me. I owe you another $200 but will lose my place in line if I run to an ATM. Could I just give you my credit card # for the remanining balance? I know it's not Western Union and I apologize for the inconvenience, but it's the best I can do on short notice 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2013 Not a lawyer by any means, but I suspect that the disclaimer may help with the issue of advertising illegal services if such advertising was illegal by statute in the particular jursidiction, but would not excuse getting caught engaging in an illegal act. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2013 Probably cause....yes it is mandatory. The statutes with regard to probable cause means a reasonable suspicion that is not out of the ordinary and that can be articulated. The stature of greater concern has more to do when the situation deals with arrest due to being caught in the act, with documented exchange of goods or cash which is not really possible for any cop to do or prove. And a warrant is needed. Good luck with that one. Are you saying, that any two or more people in a hotel room unsupervised (and of any sexual orientation) is probable cause enough to violate the 4th amendment? It is not. But many false arrests are made that way, even after the cop has sex with her. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 22, 2013 These disclaimers, as someone alluded to earlier, are really just perfunctory "badges" on a website as sketchy as Backpage. You don't see these on P411, TER, ECCIE, usually NR do you? What con artist would leave it out? What amateur knows what the actual juridical value or protection is provided by such a statement when the author's (ad writer's) statements next to it are a serious contradiction? People are conformists...that's the true reason. Nothing more. If you get pinched, do you really believe that cut and paste jpg image is a binding or lawful notice of any kind (and in what states) and will save you? If you do...why take any kind of precautions at all? Some girls insist on touching you or having you expose yourself or touch her...none of these are any sort of protection from lying police. Police lie all the time. Their human, and everyone wants a promotion (and free sex if possible even under duress). Cops are no better morally than the average person. Cops sleep with hookers all the time (most have penises, remember?). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 22, 2013 That's when you take the money back and disperse. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 22, 2013 These disclaimers, as someone alluded to earlier, are really just perfunctory "badges" on a website as sketchy as Backpage. You don't see these on P411, TER, ECCIE, usually NR do you? What con artist would leave it out? What amateur knows what the actual juridical value or protection is provided by such a statement when the author's (ad writer's) statements next to it are a serious contradiction? People are conformists...that's the true reason. Nothing more. If you get pinched, do you really believe that cut and paste jpg image is a binding or lawful notice of any kind (and in what states) and will save you? If you do...why take any kind of precautions at all? Some girls insist on touching you or having you expose yourself or touch her...none of these are any sort of protection from lying police. Police lie all the time. Their human, and everyone wants a promotion (and free sex if possible even under duress). Cops are no better morally than the average person. Cops sleep with hookers all the time (most have penises, remember?). Apologies to cops everywhere both male and female who have a vagina. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 22, 2013 So are you calling male cops pussies? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 23, 2013 So are you calling male cops pussies? Only the ones with a vagina. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
