The U.S. Department of Homeland Security

[Guest]

 

I am so glad I am semi retired. I think the time has come to stop showing my face. 

Homeland security asking hotel staff to report customers for too many condoms. 

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to

 

[Guest]

Probably because ISIS uses helium-filled condoms to loft aerial mines. *

 

Seriously...this kind of over-reach is getting ridiculous.

 

 

*true story! Google it.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

 

I am so glad I am semi retired. I think the time has come to stop showing my face. 

 

Homeland security asking hotel staff to report customers for too many condoms. 

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to

 

Don't you feel special!  You are now considered a terrorist!

What about the horny, cleaniness obsessed, unkempt buisiness guy that drinks copious amounts of beer whilst watching Spanktervision?  Is he a terrorist too?

Ooops... Forgot I shouldn't share personal information on here!

[Guest]

Maybe Obama will cover this latest national security concern in his state of the union speech tonight!  

[Guest]

It has been mentioned before that hotels are reporting Escorts and Trafficking along with hotel staff being trained.  So ... I asked around for others opinions. Im not sure what think at this point. Either way I don't care. Im not hurting anyone. Nothing going to stop girls from working. 

 

If you think this blog is bullshit if so why? 

If think this blog is accurate, id like to hear why? 

Why would home land security get involved?

 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

It has been mentioned before that hotels are reporting Escorts and Trafficking along with hotel staff being trained.  So ... I asked around for others opinions. Im not sure what think at this point. Either way I don't care. Im not hurting anyone. Nothing going to stop girls from working. 

 

If you think this blog is bullshit if so why? 

If think this blog is accurate, id like to hear why? 

Why would home land security get involved?

 

 

 

Nothing stopping the girls from working... Yea!!!

Bullshit part... It is on the internet!

Accurate... It is on the internet!

Homeland Security involved... Well, our government does like to waste taxpayer dollars in any way it can!

[Guest]

Nikki,

Reason.com is a libertarian-leaning conservative website.  Not too far out there. At first blush, I would accept what they report.  They've been pretty accurate on stuff in the past.  Thank you for posting this.  I'd missed it.

 

DHS is probably involved because a lot of the trafficed women are (reportedly) from outside the U.S.

In her book "The GFE Formula", available on Amazon along with other escort "how to" titles, ex-provider Tessa James covers this very topic.  How do you avoid standing out in a hotel setting? Among other things, she suggests emptying your own trash, bringing your own refreshments, towels, and change of bedsheets. Really, if you get busted by hotel staff, it's because you were lazy.

(Yes, ladies, I've read your books.  They gave me a much better appreciation of just how hard you are busting your ass to do this job well.)

[Lucy Kitten]

11 hours ago, Laplace said:

Nikki,

Reason.com is a libertarian-leaning conservative website.  Not too far out there. At first blush, I would accept what they report.  They've been pretty accurate on stuff in the past.  Thank you for posting this.  I'd missed it.

 

DHS is probably involved because a lot of the trafficed women are (reportedly) from outside the U.S.

In her book "The GFE Formula", available on Amazon along with other escort "how to" titles, ex-provider Tessa James covers this very topic.  How do you avoid standing out in a hotel setting? Among other things, she suggests emptying your own trash, bringing your own refreshments, towels, and change of bedsheets. Really, if you get busted by hotel staff, it's because you were lazy.

(Yes, ladies, I've read your books.  They gave me a much better appreciation of just how hard you are busting your ass to do this job well.)

You should google RentBoy and read about what happened to them. They were raided by Homeland Security and ultimately for good reason. Also trafficking isn't limited to women because obviously RentBoy wasn't for women. RentBoy and The Review Board were guilty but their guilt is lessened by the community because we know that the stats aren't factual.

You can be super diligent and still be busted by hotel staff. People are nosy and if you're suspicious they will stop at nothing to prove themselves right. I was in a hotel in another state, funny enough it was the hotel right across the street from the luxury apartments that were used as brothels in Bellevue, and there was a beautiful woman in the elevator with me. She was elegantly dressed but not overdone but it was 11am. I went back to my room and in less than five minutes found her ad on a local board. People are nosy like I said and I certainly wouldn't call that woman lazy.

 

 

[sparkey600]

On 1/12/2016 at 4:19 PM, Nikki Holiday said:

 

I am so glad I am semi retired. I think the time has come to stop showing my face. 

 

Homeland security asking hotel staff to report customers for too many condoms. 

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to

 

I knew we were all in for it when Homeland Security started running ads on television.

You've all seen them by now.

Report anything you deem out of the ordinary!

And now this......

Makes me sick.

[GinaXXX]

On 2016-01-13 at 11:52 AM, Lucy Kitten said:

RentBoy and The Review Board were guilty

I love how you take it upon yourself to act as judge and jury in these matters, even though they haven't even been before the courts yet (as far as I know).

There's something really funny about where your head is at..... just saying.

Always,
Gina
 

[Bit Banger]

On January 14, 2016 at 11:48 PM, sparkey600 said:

I knew we were all in for it when Homeland Security started running ads on television.

You've all seen them by now.

Report anything you deem out of the ordinary!

And now this......

Makes me sick.

D.A.R.E. and Brown Shirts come to mind. 

 

Yeah, I know - there's an Internet maxim about referencing Nazis. 

[MrReindeer-9515]

4 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

D.A.R.E. and Brown Shirts come to mind. 

 

Yeah, I know - there's an Internet maxim about referencing Nazis. 

And there's a good reason for that maxim.

Unless of course, you were referring to those Progressive Nazis. 

Seriously, while these LE activities may seem to impinge on your ability to pay for sex, they are directed at preventing unwilling participation. An extremely laudable goal.

Instead of misdirected whining about Facism, why don't you spend some time organizing a legalization effort?

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, MrReindeer said:

 

Instead of misdirected whining about Facism, why don't you spend some time organizing a legalization effort?

 

There are providers who that, there are providers who are too scared. I don't lie or hide what I do. It's because I don't care what others think. 

[MrReindeer-9515]

5 hours ago, GinaXXX said:

I love how you take it upon yourself to act as judge and jury in these matters, even though they haven't even been before the courts yet (as far as I know).

There's something really funny about where your head is at..... just saying.

Always,
Gina
 

She's entitled to her opinion, just as you are entitled to yours; and unless either one of you are sitting on that aforementioned jury, the presumption of innocence does not apply.

However since we're all entitled to our opinions, here's mine(based on my ownership of a penis and the personal association with many other penis holders as well):

Men are dogs in general, and some(many) are willing to forego many social conventions in pursuit of what they want. Without even knowing many of the details, yeah I'm sure there was some nasty shit going on; as will be with any illicit activity that is conducted in the shadows...just saying. 

Edited January 16, 2016 by MrReindeer
Science! And add.

[Lucy Kitten]

1 minute ago, MrReindeer said:

She's entitled to her opinion, just as you are entitled to yours; and unless either one of you are sitting on that aforementioned jury, the presumption of innocence does not apply.

However since we're all entitled to our opinions, here's mine(based on my ownership of a penis and the personal association with many other penis holders as well):

Men are dogs in general, and some(many) are willing to forego many social conventions in pursuit of what they want. Without even knowing many of the details, yeah I'm sure there was some nasty shit going on; as will be with any illicit activity that is conducted in the shadows.

That's all I have been trying to say. Where there is an underworld there is abuse. Thank you.

 

[sparkey600]

1 hour ago, MrReindeer said:

She's entitled to her opinion, just as you are entitled to yours; and unless either one of you are sitting on that aforementioned jury, the presumption of innocence does not apply.

However since we're all entitled to our opinions, here's mine(based on my ownership of a penis and the personal association with many other penis holders as well):

Men are dogs in general, and some(many) are willing to forego many social conventions in pursuit of what they want. Without even knowing many of the details, yeah I'm sure there was some nasty shit going on; as will be with any illicit activity that is conducted in the shadows...just saying. 

Damn it, I have to agree with you on this one. There are a lot of men that just don't care about a lot of things. Preventing unwilling participation is a noble goal.

But, (always a but) There will be a lot of willing  participants that'll get screwed in the process (no pun intended) 

Here's my "simple solution" Make pimping a capitol crime or at least a life sentence and legalize the worlds oldest profession.

That'd clean things up nicely in my opinion.

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, sparkey600 said:

Damn it, I have to agree with you on this one. There are a lot of men that just don't care about a lot of things. Preventing unwilling participation is a noble goal.

But, (always a but) There will be a lot of willing  participants that'll get screwed in the process (no pun intended) 

Here's my "simple solution" Make pimping a capitol crime or at least a life sentence and legalize the worlds oldest profession.

That'd clean things up nicely in my opinion.

 

We have several notorious PIMPS right here in Denver Colorado and one of them happens to be a female Pimp.  And in Texas there are many. There are way to many. They hurt independent providers.  They use their own girls as references to get your location. One of the pimps is a female. I wish for your  "simple solution" on pimps.  

Btw Rent A Boy innocent until proven guilty. I miss the guys on there that serviced women 😂😂😂 

Edited January 16, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Bit Banger]

9 hours ago, MrReindeer said:

And there's a good reason for that maxim.

Unless of course, you were referring to those Progressive Nazis. 

Seriously, while these LE activities may seem to impinge on your ability to pay for sex, they are directed at preventing unwilling participation. An extremely laudable goal.

Instead of misdirected whining about Facism, why don't you spend some time organizing a legalization effort?

 

This is not the only area of my life that Progressives trample on my Libertarian toes. My real problem with the afore mentioned programs is that they indoctrinate our youth, turning them into government snitches.  These programs introduce conflict into an already fractured society. 

"... preventing unwilling participation."

Yes, a laudable goal.  But for how many and at what cost?

I've seen something about a $1.4 million grant for this action against TRB.  More than that was probably spent (matching grant?, multi-agency operation?), but let's use that figure.  Measured against the arrests that's $100K for each defendant prior to trial. Slightly more than that for each rescued individual.  How many staff-months do you suppose last year's multi-agency operation in Denver involved? At what, $15-20K/month (salary, benefits, facilities, equipment, etc)? For what? 20 rescued individuals. If you believe the Progressives' numbers for trafficked individuals, let's add a few billion to the national debt.

See my earlier (corrected) post regarding the incidence of trafficking in CO when measured against the CO P411 population. I think it would be generous to say that P411 covers half of the ASP population in CO. But still, let's disrupt the lives & livelihood of 94% of the ASP population to save that 6%.

"... organizing a legalization effort."

Why reinvent the wheel?  Who's to say that I'm not already supporting organizations who are working toward legalization?

 

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

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Why reinvent the wheel?  Who's to say that I'm not already supporting organizations who are working toward legalization?

 

Outstanding post, but especially the last line.  People presume much because husbands and businessmen are not out on the front lines publicly protesting these policies.  Then they'll go and vote for Hillary or Trump, instead of supporting a Libertarian candidate who would actually do something to limit government overreach.

To my brother Bit:   Some reading for you:

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

We have several notorious PIMPS right here in Denver Colorado and one of them happens to be a female Pimp.  And in Texas there are many. There are way to many. They hurt independent providers.  They use their own girls as references to get your location. One of the pimps is a female. I wish for your  "simple solution" on pimps.  

Btw Rent A Boy innocent until proven guilty. I miss the guys on there that serviced women 😂😂😂 

Pfunk I'm just wondering why you gave me a thumbs downs on this post. Normally I understand why you give me a thumbs down. it is because you white knight for the providers that you're friends with that hurt other providers.  And I usually leave you alone for it. I am in no way referencing your gf. She doesn't play that game. 

Help me understand this one thing, because being your girlfriend used to be a provider I would think you would want to see girls be safe. Perhaps you made a mistake.

Do you disagree that we don't have PIMPS in Colorado or that the PIMPS hurt providers or that they use there there own girls as references to obtain our location?

or is that you disagree with me that deserves "simple solution" as punishment? 

The way I see it since you gave me thumbs downs you think it's ok for pimps to hurt girls. They shouldn't have  consequences to suffer for their bullshit.   

 

 

Edited January 16, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Lucy Kitten]

1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

This is not the only area of my life that Progressives trample on my Libertarian toes. My real problem with the afore mentioned programs is that they indoctrinate our youth, turning them into government snitches.  These programs introduce conflict into an already fractured society. 

"... preventing unwilling participation."

Yes, a laudable goal.  But for how many and at what cost?

I've seen something about a $1.4 million grant for this action against TRB.  More than that was probably spent (matching grant?, multi-agency operation?), but let's use that figure.  Measured against the arrests that's $100K for each defendant prior to trial. Slightly more than that for each rescued individual.  How many staff-months do you suppose last year's multi-agency operation in Denver involved? At what, $15-20K/month (salary, benefits, facilities, equipment, etc)? For what? 20 rescued individuals. If you believe the Progressives' numbers for trafficked individuals, let's add a few billion to the national debt.

See my earlier (corrected) post regarding the incidence of trafficking in CO when measured against the CO P411 population. I think it would be generous to say that P411 covers half of the ASP population in CO. But still, let's disrupt the lives & livelihood of 94% of the ASP population to save that 6%.

"... organizing a legalization effort."

Why reinvent the wheel?  Who's to say that I'm not already supporting organizations who are working toward legalization?

 

If you supported legalization why not talk about here? Certainly the right venue for it right? If it was something you really and truly believed in you wouldn't be arguing over stats and money. If you truly believed you would actually care about the plight of the sex worker but the only interests you ever protect are your own

You saw something about a $1.4 million grant? Link it otherwise that is a bunch of meaningless math. Or why don't you just tell us how much each life is worth. This is no longer about inflated stats. The guys were caught red handed and yet you have nothing to say about that. I would say that the majority in the PNW cheered a little when TRB came down, they weren't hurt. If anything local boards around there got that much better because TRB was poison to their community.

Why not reinvent the wheel? What everyone is doing now doesn't seem to be working. What activists have you talked to? What organization(s) have you supported? You do know that the majority supports decriminalization over legalization right? If you're going to pretend to believe in something, try harder.

 

[Bit Banger]

26 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

If you supported legalization why not talk about here? Certainly the right venue for it right? If it was something you really and truly believed in you wouldn't be arguing over stats and money. If you truly believed you would actually care about the plight of the sex worker but the only interests you ever protect are your own

You saw something about a $1.4 million grant? Link it otherwise that is a bunch of meaningless math. Or why don't you just tell us how much each life is worth. This is no longer about inflated stats. The guys were caught red handed and yet you have nothing to say about that. I would say that the majority in the PNW cheered a little when TRB came down, they weren't hurt. If anything local boards around there got that much better because TRB was poison to their community.

Why not reinvent the wheel? What everyone is doing now doesn't seem to be working. What activists have you talked to? What organization(s) have you supported? You do know that the majority supports decriminalization over legalization right? If you're going to pretend to believe in something, try harder.

 

Lucy, I don't see you boasting about your contributions to SWOP or COYOTE.  Why should I?

It took me a while to locate where I saw the $1.4M (a $1.5M DOJ grant to Seattle to combat trafficking).  I've been reading literally dozens of articles/posts on the TRB takedown.  But here is the link you demanded.  There are other SWOP articles in the TNA Seattle discussion forums.  You might note their complaints that the absence of TRB creates a danger to the ASP population.

And yes, I do know that the push is for decriminalization rather than legalization.  My choice of words was a carry-over from Mr. Reindeer's post.

[Bit Banger]

Further food for thought (ramblings) regarding the TRB takedown (some brought up in other reading material):

- Why were the Feds absent from the press conferences?  I've seen speculation that it's because their case is weak, that prosecution will be difficult.  Most of the charges are minor felonies (facilitating prostitution) with sentences measured in months rather than years.

- Where are the smugglers who brought these girls through our sieve of an immigration system? 

- Where was I.C.E. when they came into our country?  Or overstayed their visas?

- The King Country sheriff mentioned anecdotes of gangs threatening these girls families back in Korea, though he didn't have any specifics regarding these particular girls.  What will happen to those families now?  For that matter, what will happen to those families, even w/o OC threats, when this source of income is cut off?

- What are the incentives (lack of charges, T visas) for the K-girls to claim that they have been trafficked?

- What operations are being conducted to shut down the OC activity in Korea?

- Will other local boards be able to take up the slack?  Or will new boards spring up to replace TRB?

- How will this incident effect TOB?  Will it significantly change our behavior?

 

Feel free to add your own ramblings to this list.

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

This is not the only area of my life that Progressives trample on my Libertarian toes. My real problem with the afore mentioned programs is that they indoctrinate our youth, turning them into government snitches.  These programs introduce conflict into an already fractured society. 

"... preventing unwilling participation."

Yes, a laudable goal.  But for how many and at what cost? I don't know - what is a human life or x months of forced servitude worth?

I've seen something about a $1.4 million grant for this action against TRB.  More than that was probably spent (matching grant?, multi-agency operation?), but let's use that figure.  Measured against the arrests that's $100K for each defendant prior to trial. Slightly more than that for each rescued individual.  How many staff-months do you suppose last year's multi-agency operation in Denver involved? At what, $15-20K/month (salary, benefits, facilities, equipment, etc)? For what? 20 rescued individuals. If you believe the Progressives' numbers for trafficked individuals, let's add a few billion to the national debt.

See my earlier (corrected) post regarding the incidence of trafficking in CO when measured against the CO P411 population. I think it would be generous to say that P411 covers half of the ASP population in CO. But still, let's disrupt the lives & livelihood of 94% of the ASP population to save that 6%. So what percentage would be acceptable or justify  - 10, 20 50??

"... organizing a legalization effort."

Why reinvent the wheel? Seriously - the current "system" works???Who's to say that I'm not already supporting organizations who are working toward legalization?

 

Perhaps if members of this board and others and of various sex worker groups and advocacy groups would not be so quick to defend the actual, real, despicable trafficking that does occur the sometimes clueless LE agencies and the almost always clueless general public would not be so inclined to lump adult, voluntary, harmless activity together with the other.  Quit making excuses.

[gr8owl]

50 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Further food for thought (ramblings) regarding the TRB takedown (some brought up in other reading material):

- Why were the Feds absent from the press conferences?  They were not absent.  The guy at the far right in the grey suit is FBI I've seen speculation that it's because their case is weak, that prosecution will be difficult.  Most of the charges are minor felonies (facilitating prostitution) with sentences measured in months rather than years.

- Where are the smugglers who brought these girls through our sieve of an immigration system? 

- Where was I.C.E. when they came into our country?  Or overstayed their visas?

- The King Country sheriff mentioned anecdotes of gangs threatening these girls families back in Korea, though he didn't have any specifics regarding these particular girls.  What will happen to those families now?  For that matter, what will happen to those families, even w/o OC threats, when this source of income is cut off?

- What are the incentives (lack of charges, T visas) for the K-girls to claim that they have been trafficked?

- What operations are being conducted to shut down the OC activity in Korea?

- Will other local boards be able to take up the slack?  Or will new boards spring up to replace TRB?

- How will this incident effect TOB?  Nope not at all - just keep blinders on Will it significantly change our behavior? probably not.  sad but true

 

Feel free to add your own ramblings to this list.

The fact that the Sheriff, the chief of police or Bellevue and the local "prosecuting attorney" (we would call district attorney in these parts) as elected or appointed head dogs of their agencies could not provide specifics does mean shit.  The way press conferences work regardless of whether a major fire (remember Waldo, etc.), a prostitution bust, a major shooting incident (PP), etc. is that the communication officers for the organizations involved assemble limited info from the actual workers doing the work - cops, sergeants, fire, etc. - assemble it into talking points and bragging points about how great their agency is and how well the "situation" is being handled, etc.  They don't know enough to be specific.  They are there to promote their agencies, deflect media, and in many cases get reelected. But to assume the case is weak or the allegations wrong just because the politicians in front of the cameras are clueless is usually a very poor assumption.

[gr8owl]

2 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

If you supported legalization why not talk about here? Certainly the right venue for it right? If it was something you really and truly believed in you wouldn't be arguing over stats and money. If you truly believed you would actually care about the plight of the sex worker but the only interests you ever protect are your own

You saw something about a $1.4 million grant? Link it otherwise that is a bunch of meaningless math. Or why don't you just tell us how much each life is worth. This is no longer about inflated stats. The guys were caught red handed and yet you have nothing to say about that. I would say that the majority in the PNW cheered a little when TRB came down, they weren't hurt. If anything local boards around there got that much better because TRB was poison to their community.

Why not reinvent the wheel? What everyone is doing now doesn't seem to be working. What activists have you talked to? What organization(s) have you supported? You do know that the majority supports decriminalization over legalization right? If you're going to pretend to believe in something, try harder.

 

bingo

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, Laplace said:

Outstanding post, but especially the last line.  People presume much because husbands and businessmen are not out on the front lines publicly protesting these policies.  Then they'll go and vote for Hillary or Trump, instead of supporting a Libertarian candidate who would actually do something to limit government overreach.

To my brother Bit:   Some reading for you:

????  As a rambling justification of the dark side??? huh??

[Bit Banger]

14 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

Perhaps if members of this board and others and of various sex worker groups and advocacy groups would not be so quick to defend the actual, real, despicable trafficking that does occur the sometimes clueless LE agencies and the almost always clueless general public would not be so inclined to lump adult, voluntary, harmless activity together with the other.  Quit making excuses.

Unfortunately they are legally lumped together.  Check out http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:22%20section:7102%20edition:prelim)

Quote

Yes, a laudable goal.  But for how many and at what cost? I don't know - what is a human life or x months of forced servitude worth?

So what is it worth to you?  Are you prepared to empty your retirement account? To sell your home? Give up Social Security? Just to free a few individuals?

People are demanding absolutes, complete elimination of trafficking.  I'm asking for a proportionate response.

 

[gr8owl]

1 minute ago, Bit Banger said:

Unfortunately they are legally lumped together.  Check out http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:22%20section:7102%20edition:prelim)

So what is it worth to you?  Are you prepared to empty your retirement account? To sell your home? Give up Social Security? Just to free a few individuals?

People are demanding absolutes, complete elimination of trafficking.  I'm asking for a proportionate response.

 

Wow.  Impressive list of straw man arguments.  You can never completely eliminate theft, rape, murder, embezzlement, stock fraud or any number of other legitimately outlawed behaviors.  That does not mean we should ever pooh pooh any of them away with "why worry, there's not that much of it?"

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

Wow.  Impressive list of straw man arguments.  You can never completely eliminate theft, rape, murder, embezzlement, stock fraud or any number of other legitimately outlawed behaviors.  That does not mean we should ever pooh pooh any of them away with "why worry, there's not that much of it?"

Sorry to see you go.  Happy trails.

What?  Well based on how passionate you are about trafficking, one can only surmise that you will be forsaking all commercial sex.