Fort Collins prostitution sting catches 10

[pitbull]

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/05/16/fort-collins-businessman-greeley-pastor-charged-sex-sting/27429459/

Looks like they are still at it, and shaming the johns. I would be careful up north and stay away from BP.

I had not seen this article. Much like last time, it makes me sick. It says the guy "agreed to pay for sexual favors for $50." And then he stood at a door and eventually left. Good lord. The cops should be ashamed for spending our tax dollars on this nonsense. It seems like these guys had no criminal record, had good jobs, and now they are fucked for just wanting to bust a nut in a lonely life. The prostitution laws are just fucking pathetic.

And yes, of course these guys made huge mistakes by agreeing to sexual favors, presumably over the phone. No real ASP would do such a thing, correct?

[Guest]

And yes, of course these guys made huge mistakes by agreeing to sexual favors, presumably over the phone. No real ASP would do such a thing, correct?

They do. I responded to an ad once for a reviewed young lady. Her ad said to ask about "specials". She prefers texts, so I texted and was offered "Full Service". From someone I knew more about, it wouldn't have seemed like a big deal, but I didn't know her at all, nor did she know me. I went through with it since I was 92.36% sure she was fine based on reviews and it was a wonderful session. And I'm not sure if "Full service" is explicit enough to get anyone in trouble, but I suspect it is. It's more than I normally say. With someone I don't know, time and rate is it.

[MelindaMadison]

it has nothing to do with "up north" or "stay away from BP" as there are reputable providers that often use those venues in certain areas where BP yields sweet non-jaded gents or traveling gents... This has more to do with guys not researching and going for cheap pussy.

stick with well-known ladies and this crap doesn't happen. Play the TTFTT game or TGTBT price point- you might as well put a sign "arrest me..i'm a risk taker" on yourself.

[Guest]

it has nothing to do with "up north" or "stay away from BP" as there are reputable providers that often use those venues in certain areas where BP yields sweet non-jaded gents or traveling gents..This has more to do with guys not researching and going for cheap pussy.

stick with well-known ladies and this crap doesn't happen. Play the TTFTT game or TGTBT price point- you might as well put a sign "arrest me..i'm a risk taker" on yourself.

The highlighted comments are contradictory. If the client is "non jaded" he is unlikely to know about "well-known ladies."

Look, I know reputable ladies use BP. I've seen my ATF there a time or two. But, for those of us who are "jaded," it is best to just avoid. The race does not always go to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But thats how I'm going to bet. BP is the same. I'd wager that 3/4 of those busted have never heard of P411. Lots of quality P411 ladies in FtC. I'll bet every one of those guys would have given their left nut to know about a safe(er) way to select a provider, thereby avoiding BP altogether.

[pitbull]

The highlighted comments are contradictory. If the client is "non jaded" he is unlikely to know about "well-known ladies."

Look, I know reputable ladies use BP. I've seen my ATF there a time or two. But, for those of us who are "jaded," it is best to just avoid. The race does not always go to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But thats how I'm going to bet. BP is the same. I'd wager that 3/4 of those busted have never heard of P411. Lots of quality P411 ladies in FtC. I'll bet every one of those guys would have given their left nut to know about a safe(er) way to select a provider, thereby avoiding BP altogether.

This is precisely why this whole thing is even sadder. These "non jaded" and inexperienced guys have no idea of the etiquette involved with "agreeing to services" over the phone and the nuances between BP and P411. I remember when I started looking, it was BP and I believed all the claims and it never occurred to me that photos were fake, etc. These guys are likely not even "hobbyists" -- just lonely and looking to get laid.

Back in the day, a guy could go to the top floor of the saloon, do his business, and not have the sheriff wasting his time trying to bust them. Hell, Wyatt Earp was frequently seen coming down the steps of the of the saloon with a wide grin on his face. I feel really sorry for these guys.

But for the help and advice from people like Inkspot, I would have probably been staring into that mugshot and humiliated for life -- perhaps even suicidal. And for what? Were the cops trying to rescue "trafficked" people? Were they busting perverts looking to score with inappropriately aged women? Doesn't seem so. This is so fucked up. Utterly FUBAR. The Fort Collins police should be ashamed of themselves.

[pitbull]

They do. I responded to an ad once for a reviewed young lady. Her ad said to ask about "specials". She prefers texts, so I texted and was offered "Full Service". From someone I knew more about, it wouldn't have seemed like a big deal, but I didn't know her at all, nor did she know me. I went through with it since I was 92.36% sure she was fine based on reviews and it was a wonderful session. And I'm not sure if "Full service" is explicit enough to get anyone in trouble, but I suspect it is. It's more than I normally say. With someone I don't know, time and rate is it.

Easyfriend: I would not think that "Full Service" would be grounds for arrest, but hell, I don't know.

[fork]

These "non jaded" and inexperienced guys have no idea of the etiquette involved with "agreeing to services" over the phone and the nuances between BP and P411.

We have no idea who they are. They could be senior members here, even if it's unlikely. I would certainly hope that if any regulars here get busted, they feed back some info about the tactics used against them.

Maybe these guys didn't agree to anything and there's no case against them. It doesn't matter if they actually get convicted, since they've already been pilloried. Maybe they've lost their wives and jobs - no conviction is necessary.

... I would have probably been staring into that mugshot and humiliated for life -- perhaps even suicidal.

Anyone in this hobby has to consider the worst case scenario even if it's unlikely. For me it would be losing my job and while not the end of the world, would almost certainly knock me down a few notches financially. While that sounds bad, it sounds worse to go the rest of my life without any female contact. Or worse - married.

[Guest]

Easyfriend: I would not think that "Full Service" would be grounds for arrest, but hell, I don't know.

I suspect many of the conventions, codes, and rules of this activity that are believed to offer some measure of protection are largely a waste of time. But what do I know? Establishing the meaning of "full service", as exchanged between two people who could be shown to be discussing "escort" services would be pretty easy.

[Guest]

Anyone in this hobby has to consider the worst case scenario even if it's unlikely.

And that's it really. Everything has risk. Leaving the house has risk. Staying in the house has risk. But you're right. For people on this forum, who are doing it the way most of us are doing it, the risk is pretty darn small. Is it real? Sure. But I'd say I'm more likely to ruin my life some other way than have this catch up with me.

I can say without reservation that I was 100% sure the last provider I saw was legit before we met. And I'd bet she'd say the same about me. lol Maybe she'll see this post and tell us.

LE doesn't really worry me. Someone getting mad and outing me to my wife, on the other hand...

[CityEssence]

Another reason to only see well reviewed ladies and to make sure each encounter is verified. For the safety and piece of mind for both!

[ash_36]

I read an article not too long ago about a John who got arrested. The extent of what he said (according to the article) was that he wanted everything. That is more vague than full service. I would be careful saying anything over the phone.

[Guest pejo]

Easyfriend: I would not think that "Full Service" would be grounds for arrest, but hell, I don't know.

I suspect many of the conventions, codes, and rules of this activity that are believed to offer some measure of protection are largely a waste of time. But what do I know? Establishing the meaning of "full service", as exchanged between two people who could be shown to be discussing "escort" services would be pretty easy.

I read an article not too long ago about a John who got arrested. The extent of what he said (according to the article) was that he wanted everything. That is more vague than full service. I would be careful saying anything over the phone.

Keep in mind the difference between probable cause for an arrest versus what it takes to get a conviction at trial. Totally different things (easier to establish probable cause than get a conviction). "I want everything" seems pretty vague, but may be enough for probable cause especially if there is other circumstantial evidence. The phrase "full service" is almost certainly enough, given the phrase's universal meaning and frequent use in the hobby.

[Guest pejo]

I can say without reservation that I was 100% sure the last provider I saw was legit before we met.

Disagree. You can't get to 100%, because you don't know if she was busted last week, and has cut a deal with LE to take part in a John sting. I grant you, the risk of that happening is very very low. But it exists.

[Guest]

Disagree. You can't get to 100%, because you don't know if she was busted last week, and has cut a deal with LE to take part in a John sting. I grant you, the risk of that happening is very very low. But it exists.

Or a meteor could fall from the sky, crash through the ceiling, and kill the two of you as you lie in bed together.

Sure. Anything can happen. But, you know, let's not get crazy over one incident with 10 guys who did something almost no one here would do.

[Floor Flusher]

Things appear to have changed a lot since I was in the hotel industry. Working gals where part of the business. They where seen as working people and treated much like staff.

When I parked their cars, they would ask if anything was going on, and if there was something they should know about, I would find a way to let them know. We looked out for them. The gals would tip well and they where treated well.

The hotel made money off their business, the employees made money. No one wanted to rock that boat. Before the internet the concierge was the one to see if you where looking to spend time with a lovely lady. I made a lot of tips from the girls and from the guests.

Some of the girls would stop by the desk on the way out to shoot the breeze. I enjoyed their company and enjoyed getting to know them. The police would stop in for a late night free cup of coffee or to use the restroom, everyone got along. Oh, the good ol' days.

Our focus was on removing drug dealers who would set up shop at the hotel.

[pitbull]

Things appear to have changed a lot since I was in the hotel industry. Working gals where part of the business. They where seen as working people and treated much like staff.

When I parked their cars, they would ask if anything was going on, and if there was something they should know about, I would find a way to let them know. We looked out for them. The gals would tip well and they where treated well.

The hotel made money off their business, the employees made money. No one wanted to rock that boat. Before the internet the concierge was the one to see if you where looking to spend time with a lovely lady. I made a lot of tips from the girls and from the guests.

Some of the girls would stop by the desk on the way out to shoot the breeze. I enjoyed their company and enjoyed getting to know them. The police would stop in for a late night free cup of coffee or to use the restroom, everyone got along. Oh, the good ol' days.

Our focus was on removing drug dealers who would set up shop at the hotel.

And as long as no one is getting hurt, it should STILL be this way. This is such a staggering waste of police resources. Some politician, someday, will have the guts to say this.

[dj278]

Things appear to have changed a lot since I was in the hotel industry. Working gals where part of the business. They where seen as working people and treated much like staff.

When I parked their cars, they would ask if anything was going on, and if there was something they should know about, I would find a way to let them know. We looked out for them. The gals would tip well and they where treated well.

The hotel made money off their business, the employees made money. No one wanted to rock that boat. Before the internet the concierge was the one to see if you where looking to spend time with a lovely lady. I made a lot of tips from the girls and from the guests.

Some of the girls would stop by the desk on the way out to shoot the breeze. I enjoyed their company and enjoyed getting to know them. The police would stop in for a late night free cup of coffee or to use the restroom, everyone got along. Oh, the good ol' days.

Our focus was on removing drug dealers who would set up shop at the hotel.

Free enterprise at its best. I sometimes wonder if any arrangements are made these days between hotel staff and working ladies, but probably best not to discuss in public here.

[Guest pejo]

Disagree. You can't get to 100%, because you don't know if she was busted last week, and has cut a deal with LE to take part in a John sting. I grant you, the risk of that happening is very very low. But it exists.

Or a meteor could fall from the sky, crash through the ceiling, and kill the two of you as you lie in bed together.

A meteor fell on this guy: http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1055977239&postcount=178

[Guest]

A meteor fell on this guy: http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1055977239&postcount=178

"...when I drove on the Hotel lot,"

I stay out of known meteor zones.

[pitbull]

A meteor fell on this guy: http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1055977239&postcount=178

Damn. A meteor did indeed fall on that guy. I don't think I'll ever see another lady again. I don't think I'll ever set foot outside because of lightning strikes. Not only that, 30,000 people died in car accidents last year, so I'm not driving either. Slipping in the shower is another hazard.

But seriously, that is some scary shit -- a well-known provider who had "flipped" -- good lord. I'm going to be saving a lot of money this year.

[pitbull]

"...when I drove on the Hotel lot,"

I stay out of known meteor zones.

easyfriend: Are you saying that "hotels" are riskier places to meet? If so, what's safer?

[Guest]

easyfriend: Are you saying that "hotels" are riskier places to meet? If so, what's safer?

I feel safer at private incalls.

Having said that, I think all this "sky is falling" stuff is silly. Hey, how many people on this board have been arrested while seeing an escort?

[inkspot]

Free enterprise at its best. I sometimes wonder if any arrangements are made these days between hotel staff and working ladies.

Yes

[Guest]

Free enterprise at its best. I sometimes wonder if any arrangements are made these days between hotel staff and working ladies, but probably best not to discuss in public here.

Yes

I truly believe in taking care of housekeeping (tips) along with making sure to keep a moderate profile. Staying friendly with the staff but not drawing so much attention to yourself where they ask 50+ questions. And make sure you ALWAYS have a solid back story. If they do happen to know (or guess about) what you are up to, just be quiet and respectful about it. Don't drag in the rift raft and make sure your door isn't constantly revolving.

[Guest]

This is precisely why this whole thing is even sadder. These "non jaded" and inexperienced guys have no idea of the etiquette involved with "agreeing to services" over the phone and the nuances between BP and P411. I remember when I started looking, it was BP and I believed all the claims and it never occurred to me that photos were fake, etc. These guys are likely not even "hobbyists" -- just lonely and looking to get laid.

Back in the day, a guy could go to the top floor of the saloon, do his business, and not have the sheriff wasting his time trying to bust them. Hell, Wyatt Earp was frequently seen coming down the steps of the of the saloon with a wide grin on his face. I feel really sorry for these guys.

But for the help and advice from people like Inkspot, I would have probably been staring into that mugshot and humiliated for life -- perhaps even suicidal. And for what? Were the cops trying to rescue "trafficked" people? Were they busting perverts looking to score with inappropriately aged women? Doesn't seem so. This is so fucked up. Utterly FUBAR. The Fort Collins police should be ashamed of themselves.

Couldn't agree more. These poor bastards were arrested for knocking on a door to a room where no one was occupying. No $$ was exchanged and no services were provided. FC Police are Hell Bent on arresting what appears to be inexperienced "would be" johns with their entrapment ads on BP. Besides being shamed and embarrassed, I can't think these charges would stick in a court of law. I'm guessing these fellas have no idea TOB exists, otherwise they'd verify whether or not an ad was legit before contacting someone thru a fake ad on BP.

[justbrowsing52]

Yes....the thing is that they conflate "prostitution" and "sex trafficking". Very different things in most cases but some see every working girl as "trafficked". Big waste of resources but with DHS involved they have plenty of money to waste.

[PussHound]

Generally, how safe would outcalls be considered?

[buffalosoldier]

A crime is committed if there is talk about sex and money.

So don't talk about acts and don't talk about money.

Of course, we all know police would never embellish their version of events or that any recording devices always preserve evidence perfectly where that evidence does not assist the police.

[The_Wild_Rover]

I've seen Armani's almost daily posts on EB, Slixa, BP, and others for a while. She has 5 reviews on here, as well. But, when I run her number on a google search a link to a site called escortbusts shows up http://www.escortbusts.com/720-459-1186/

I'd really like to see her, and I think everything looks okay, other than that site I just mentioned. Is that site legit? Should I be concerned about it?

[ash_36]

Almost all numbers you search for from BP will shoe up on that sitter. It seems to scrape BP ads and repost them. I wouldn't worry about anything because of that site, just ignore it. It is thought to be fake. But I would still research further.