Sorry, another AMP thread.

[brownegg]

(No, I am not LE, even though I am new to this board.)

I can see by searching that people don't seem to like this question, but as an experienced hobbyist from Chicago who enjoys the spa experience, so far I've come up with nothing in Denver.

If someone feels kind and would PM a good place to go, that would be cool.

Alternately, is rubmaps dot com legit / worthwhile? Happy to pay to be a member if someone(s) can tell me it's legit.

[MAG]

(No, I am not LE, even though I am new to this board.)

I can see by searching that people don't seem to like this question, but as an experienced hobbyist from Chicago who enjoys the spa experience, so far I've come up with nothing in Denver.

If someone feels kind and would PM a good place to go, that would be cool.

Alternately, is rubmaps dot com legit / worthwhile? Happy to pay to be a member if someone(s) can tell me it's legit.

Be very careful, especially in Lakewood.

Good AMP's are few and far between. The Chinese places are hit-n-miss, mostly miss. There's another board that caters almost exclusively to AMP' (I won't name it here), but it's pretty useless.

Seems more places are being raided these days, "human trafficking" is all the rage. Don't know how it is in Chicago, but I recommend caution.

I've read a little about the AMP scene in Chicago, on the WSG site....if you're looking for comparable experiences here, forget it.

Rubmaps is ok, but you have to pay to get any decent info.

PLEASE post reviews if you go for it.

[Guest Lascivious]

Blue Spa 5975 Quebec Street

[pitbull]

Please PM rather than name a place, for crying out loud.

You asked about Rubmaps, and I have found it to be accurate with regards to areas outside of Denver. As for Denver, I don't really know the extent of its accuracy. I went to one place in Denver when I was in town (rare) and Rubmaps said it was legit. I suspected that the place was NOT legit, and Rubmaps was engaging in a bit of subterfuge.

I played the game with an attractive masseuse and made sure all the usual signs were put out, but nothing. She encouraged self service, but I declined. Funny thing is she seemed incredibly offended that I only offered a $12 tip, but that's another thread I suppose. Good luck, officer. Ah, just kidding.

[Guest]

I wish to respectfully object to posting reviews for AMP's. Let's not make them easier targets for LE. I enjoy some AMP's now and again when providers here or BP cannot be scheduled around my limited availability. And I have had some great times with AMPs.

AMPs have stationary locations while Board members tend to be multi locational.

[Bit Banger]

I wish to respectfully object to posting reviews for AMP's. Let's not make them easier targets for LE. I enjoy some AMP's now and again when providers here or BP cannot be scheduled around my limited availability. And I have had some great times with AMPs.

AMPs have stationary locations while Board members tend to be multi locational.

I concur!

AMP's fixed locations make them low hanging fruit for LE (& the righteous) to crow about. They are also easy targets for "trafficking" accusations with their ethnic profile, which attracts the attention of the Feds in addition to local PD.

[MAG]

I concur!

AMP's fixed locations make them low hanging fruit for LE (& the righteous) to crow about. They are also easy targets for "trafficking" accusations with their ethnic profile, which attracts the attention of the Feds in addition to local PD.

I guess I can see the point here, but if the review is tastefully done with no details that could be used by uncle Leo, I don't see much harm.

Edited January 29, 2015 by av8r
Fuckin auto correct

[pitbull]

I guess I can see the point here, but if the review is tastefully done with no details that could be used by uncle Leo, I don't see much harm.

With all due respect to the august av8r, I disagree. Any "Very Good" review for an AMP is a giant red flag. Half the fun of these places is determining whether she'll go that extra mile. For me, that mile is merely an HJ. For others, it's all the way, but I agree that AMPs should never be reviewed. Never. I would not even offer a PM to a fellow TOB-er, especially not one with double digit posts.

One place with a 52-year-old mama-san who offered a great massage and HJ was shut down. She did NOT even offer FS. The damn cops shut it down. Nearby shops complained about "strange men" going in and out. And yet, these were the quickest, most low profile guys you could possibly imagine. I was one of them, and everyone would slink in and slink out as quietly and inconspicuously as possible. What's the harm? Don't get me started.

[MAG]

With all due respect to the august av8r, I disagree. Any "Very Good" review for an AMP is a giant red flag. Half the fun of these places is determining whether she'll go that extra mile. For me, that mile is merely an HJ. For others, it's all the way, but I agree that AMPs should never be reviewed. Never. I would not even offer a PM to a fellow TOB-er, especially not one with double digit posts.

One place with a 52-year-old mama-san who offered a great massage and HJ was shut down. She did NOT even offer FS. The damn cops shut it down. Nearby shops complained about "strange men" going in and out. And yet, these were the quickest, most low profile guys you could possibly imagine. I was one of them, and everyone would slink in and slink out as quietly and inconspicuously as possible. What's the harm? Don't get me started.

Ok, call me HALF convinced.

I know of a few places in the springs that have been reviewed a lot on another board & never had a problem, and I know of several that have not been reviewed and HAVE had troubles. I think you hit the nail on the head about the neighboring shops -- complaints from them are much more likely to draw the attention of LE, I believe.

Hell, reviewing most of these places is a waste of time anyway, since turnover is so frequent.

[pitbull]

Ok, call me HALF convinced.

I know of a few places in the springs that have been reviewed a lot on another board & never had a problem, and I know of several that have not been reviewed and HAVE had troubles. I think you hit the nail on the head about the neighboring shops -- complaints from them are much more likely to draw the attention of LE, I believe.

Hell, reviewing most of these places is a waste of time anyway, since turnover is so frequent.

True. Some of the more obvious (NOT legitimate) AMPs are so off the beaten path that there is simply NO ONE to complain. That's a key to survival. The one I mentioned was smack dab in the heart of town.

[Bit Banger]

... Hell, reviewing most of these places is a waste of time anyway, since turnover is so frequent.

^^ this ^^^ is a great reason to not reviews AMPs,

But if someone in a facility provides good service it's Limey others there will too.

You are also probably correct that there are other factors, like nieghbors, which contribute to raids. I had a similar argument with RT a few years back. He claimed a review led to the raid of a new spa, but would never provide a link to the review. I claimed that Aurora LE targets any spa w/in city limits.

My personal view is that while I may visit Korean spas and avoid Chinese spa as a waste of time.

[Guest]

I guess I can see the point here, but if the review is tastefully done with no details that could be used by uncle Leo, I don't see much harm.

Perhaps a better approach would be to start a thread here asking for AMP recommendations via private message. I know I am willing to P.M. fellows about my successes.

[pitbull]

Perhaps a better approach would be to start a thread here asking for AMP recommendations via private message. I know I am willing to P.M. fellows about my successes.

I think even sending PMs about non legit AMPs is a bad idea. Especially if this site is being trolled by people who should not be privy to the info.

[Bit Banger]

I think even sending PMs about non legit AMPs is a bad idea. ...

There are long standing members of this site with who I would privately share this type of information, but then again they probably already know it

Some newbie who joined last month (or even last year) with 20 posts? NOT!

[pitbull]

There are long standing members of this site with who I would privately share this type of information, but then again they probably already know it

Some newbie who joined last month (or even last year) with 20 posts? NOT!

Agreed.

[Redvines1]

Tough call, I'm fairly new and don't post to most any board I'm on very often. I found one AMP that wasn't bad. I'd love to hear of another but I get why people won't. What's the real difference between that and a review of a girl on here? She may move around but the contact info is the same.

[MAG]

Tough call, I'm fairly new and don't post to most any board I'm on very often. I found one AMP that wasn't bad. I'd love to hear of another but I get why people won't. What's the real difference between that and a review of a girl on here? She may move around but the contact info is the same.

First, because AMP's have become a favorite political target these days.

Second, because nearby businesses often complain about the "parade of unsavory characters"

Third, because they are stationary, LE views them as low-hanging fruit.

Fourth, because AMP's cannot employ the same types of screening methods that escorts can, and therefore it's harder for the AMP to protect itself from LE tactics.

So, a publicly readable review is like painting a target on the AMP front door.

[gr8owl]

Yes, all valid points, but what REALLY paints a target on the side is advertising your massage parlor under either body rubs or escorts categories under the "adult" heading on BP. As opposed to say under plain "services - massage" along with health and beauty, computers, home improvement, etc. Whatever one thinks about cops, good or bad, and enforcement of prostitution laws, how does it make sense to essentially flip them off and rub their nose it? Then worry that a review might tip them off!?!?!? And yes, I am pretty sure - hi, guys - some peruse this site regularly. For perhaps more than one reason. For crying out loud, they are for the most part pretty smart guys and gals. Most AMPs could be taken down at will any day of the week.

[pitbull]

Yes, all valid points, but what REALLY paints a target on the side is advertising your massage parlor under either body rubs or escorts categories under the "adult" heading on BP. As opposed to say under plain "services - massage" along with health and beauty, computers, home improvement, etc. Whatever one thinks about cops, good or bad, and enforcement of prostitution laws, how does it make sense to essentially flip them off and rub their nose it? Then worry that a review might tip them off!?!?!? And yes, I am pretty sure - hi, guys - some peruse this site regularly. For perhaps more than one reason. For crying out loud, they are for the most part pretty smart guys and gals. Most AMPs could be taken down at will any day of the week.

I agree that BP ads are a bad idea, but I truly think the more "remote" AMPs that generate ZERO complaints are most likely to be left alone by LE. There were a couple in the center of town that simply could not stand -- too blatant and obvious.