Posted April 16, 2014 So, I know this topic has been touched upon in the past (no need for you old-timers/board veterans to point that out). In fact, If I recall, I might have even started a thread or two about it myself. At any rate... I don't consider myself a "hobbyist" (at least not a true hobbyist). I do and always have preferred FBSM providers as opposed to "full service" escorts. For me, there is so much more intimacy and the anticipation/build-up of what's to come makes the overall experience (for me anyway) more pleasurable and fulfilling (even if it isn't full service). Plus, I just naturally love a good massage. With that being said, I'm always on the lookout for good massage providers. Personally, I prefer therapeutic with a nice flavoring of sensual as opposed to a sensual with only a dash of therapeutic. In other words, I want an actual massage as opposed to just a "rub". Some fellas are only interested in the sweet icing on the cake, and that's totally fine, nothing wrong with that at all. But as for me, I also like the cake itself. And the icing on top is...well...the icing on top. I know getting a therapeutic massage is hit & miss (99.9% miss) but I never get one expecting anything other than a good quality therapeutic massage. With that being said, I occasionally come across ads such as this and it drives me freakin' nuts! http://fortcollins.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/attractive-playful-and-knowledgeable-cmt/15009043 Again, I know this has been touched on in the past, so if you don't feel like chiming in, then just move along and keep the snarky quips to yourselves. I'm not trying to start a huge "thing" here (I guess I'm just venting publicly). WHY would a therapeutic massage therapist feel compelled to mention that she is "attractive" and "playful"?! If she's legit, then such information is meaningless. If you looked up plumbers in the phone book, would you find one who advertises himself as "fit and muscular"? And look at those rates... a bit hefty for strictly therapeutic, I think. My guess is that she probably IS legit but she's marketing herself in such a way to draw the attention of and tantalize dumb schmucks like me... *sigh* 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 http://fortcollins.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/attractive-playful-and-knowledgeable-cmt/15009043 WHY would a therapeutic massage therapist feel compelled to mention that she is "attractive" and "playful"?! If she's legit, then such information is meaningless. If you looked up plumbers in the phone book, would you find one who advertises himself as "fit and muscular"? And look at those rates... a bit hefty for strictly therapeutic, I think. The following is suggested as an exercise for the OP, and anyone else that doesn't "get it." Post two ads without pictures on backpage.....one a duplicate of the ad referenced above. The other titled "Serious, Helen Thomas look-alike. CMT" One ad will get many more responses than the other. Which one do you think it is? Please log your results, and write an essay explaining the reason for this surprising difference in results. Good luck. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 The following is suggested as an exercise for the OP, and anyone else that doesn't "get it." Post two ads without pictures on backpage.....one a duplicate of the ad referenced above. The other titled "Serious, Helen Thomas look-alike. CMT" One ad will get many more responses than the other. Which one do you think it is? Please log your results, and write an essay explaining the reason for this surprising difference in results. Good luck. And the following is suggested as an exercise for Mr. Bubble and anyone else who feels compelled to be a total dick. Look up the definition of the word "snarky" in the dictionary. Then go back and read the portion of my original post (which you conveniently ommitted when you quoted me in your response) that said "keep the snarky quips to yourselves. I'm not trying to start a huge "thing" here (I guess I'm just venting publicly)." How do you think your response correlates with the original sentence that was quoted above? Please log your results and write an essay explaining the (in your case) not surprising disparity between the two. Good luck! Speaking of the quote that you ommitted... you will clearly see that I know very well the reason WHY the ad was posted. I even say so in my original post. My intital question was more rhetorical than anything (I even mention that I was venting publicly). But as you are often so quick to point out... some people (i.e. you) don't "get it". Incidentally, you'd have a great career in politics... you've got a real knack for taking quotes out of context. I know the mods are gonna "zing" me with an infraction for this. But frankly, I don't care... to quote a line from one of my favorite movies, 'Ferris Bueller's Day Off', "Pardon my french, but you're an asshole!" But seriously... you've commented on almost every single one of my posts and everytime, your comments are nothing but snide, condescending and dripping with pure vitrol. Furthermore, they bring absolutely nothing constructive or worthy of mention to the table. Give it a rest already... asshole. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 Don't understand what your rant is about. Given a choice of getting a therapeutic massage from an attractive and playful or ugly and angry I would opt for the former. You may not be a hobbyist but you sre a john. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 Don't understand what your rant is about. Given a choice of getting a therapeutic massage from an attractive and playful or ugly and angry I would opt for the former. You may not be a hobbyist but you sre a john. Well that clearly goes without saying. That's like saying given a choice of drinking a fresh ice cold beer and one that is luke warm and flat, I would opt to drink the former. But at any rate, I never mentioned anything anywhere in this thread about an ugly/angry therapist... so I don't know what your point with that is. My rant was about my frustration with legit therapists cleverly marketing themselves in a just such a way that entices "johns" like me to come to them. And to do so with fingers crossed, hoping to get something more, yet knowing the likelihood of receiving anything beyond a standard therapeutic massage is extremely remote. I thought the point of my rant was/is pretty clear. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 "Pardon my french, but you're an asshole!" We've all done our share, I'm sure. I wouldn't bother even looking at "therapeutic massage" ads, unless that was all I wanted. I imagine lots of guys want what you want, and plenty of "therapeutic massage" girls are happy to take advantage of horny hopefuls. I'd search for CMT girls in the escorts and body rub sections, as well as trade info here. (or wherever) I hope you've seen the CMTs advertising on EB, as well. Good Luck! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 16, 2014 Well that clearly goes without saying. That's like saying given a choice of drinking a fresh ice cold beer and one that is luke warm and flat, I would opt to drink the former. But at any rate, I never mentioned anything anywhere in this thread about an ugly/angry therapist... so I don't know what your point with that is. My rant was about my frustration with legit therapists cleverly marketing themselves in a just such a way that entices "johns" like me to come to them. And to do so with fingers crossed, hoping to get something more, yet knowing the likelihood of receiving anything beyond a standard therapeutic massage is extremely remote. I thought the point of my rant was/is pretty clear. It was. I knew exactly what your rant is about. MARKETING. And in my snarky way, I was trying to help. Ah well......need to be more carefull where I cast my pearls...... Do you not know how ignorant this makes you sound? Everyone with something to sell tries to make it sound wonderful so suckers like you and I will buy it. For example, this is how folks ended up with Zima malt beverage, Ford Pintos, and our current Governor. You might as well complain about the weather. Instead of whining, do your research and learn to ignore the ads that annoy. CAVEAT EMPTOR. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 I thought the point of my rant was/is pretty clear. Worry not, mr. Goggles. The point of your rant was quite clear, and I agree with it. You've just stirred up a few "loyal followers" (trolls). My advice: never call an ad from the therapeutic section if you're hoping for anything more than just a massage, especially if the advertised price is in line with FBSM. If the advertised price is appropriate for massage, then at least you won't feel quite so ripped off. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 I agree that it's bizarre to post suggestive photos if you are not offering the HE. I DO NOT CARE how the woman looks if I'm getting a therapeutic massage. Now some ladies can be completely straight-laced, not particularly sexy, and quite a bit older -- and they offer a wonderful HE and semi-therapeutic massage with nice teasing. Those are also a find. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 Try an AMP sometime, goggles! Personally, I tend to separate massage and hobbying, but I am a pretty discriminating massage guy! Although some AMP's are NOT good at massage, you might be surprised! Some of these girls actually have an astounding amount of massage, pressure-point, and chiropractic knowledge! Strange but true:) For myself, I would rather separate the two, and get a good (non-sensual) massage, and when hobbying, I do not WANT a massage:) However, in my experience the best blend of the two is to be found in the Asian massage parlors. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 Try an AMP sometime, goggles! Personally, I tend to separate massage and hobbying, but I am a pretty discriminating massage guy! Although some AMP's are NOT good at massage, you might be surprised! Some of these girls actually have an astounding amount of massage, pressure-point, and chiropractic knowledge! Strange but true:) For myself, I would rather separate the two, and get a good (non-sensual) massage, and when hobbying, I do not WANT a massage:) However, in my experience the best blend of the two is to be found in the Asian massage parlors. And yet, the AMPs are becoming much less reliable for the HE. Unless they are REALLY suggestively dressed, and make a point of locking the door, you aren't going to get anything extra, at least not in my town. The independents are a different story. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 I'm with you in that I too enjoy CMTs that provide extras more than FS and FBSM providers. I work out so my body wants it all the time. Also the hand jobs and oral is so much more enjoyable to me than covered FS because sometimes I can't stay hard with the cover on. Plus I always get the full hour or more with CMTs. But it's a game and you have to play it to win. Based on my experience, there are a few legit and skilled CMTs that advertise on BP that does offer happy endings. But I'm finding that based on reviews and just talking with some of the CMTs, the experiences vary from client to client. They advertise in the therapeutic section instead of the body rub section for a specific reason. By advertising in the therapeutic section and being ambiguous in their wording, it gives them an option to provide varied services depending on whatever the reason at the time. Whether the client is nice, good looking, need a bigger tip, they're horny, etc.. It truly is a YMMV situation. Some will wait until their second, third or tenth session to start providing the goods. And some, as mentioned already, are just trying to trick you to thinking there's a possibility with no intention of putting out. I actually like playing the game. I love the pursuit and therefore I look specifically for the ads like the one you linked to. I look at the wording, the rate, and the photo for any kind of insinuation. The upside is you're almost always guaranteed a fantastic massage if nothing more. So don't get frustrated. Just enjoy the game. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 17, 2014 I'm with you in that I too enjoy CMTs that provide extras more than FS and FBSM providers. The upside is you're almost always guaranteed a fantastic massage if nothing more. So don't get frustrated. Just enjoy the game. If I paid $120 and just got a massage, fantastic or not, I would feel ripped off. I know where I can get a great massage for $60 any day of the week. Obviously, we differ. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2014 Goggles, I think there is something to your post. At least, I believe (no personal experience though) that there are really truly legitimate CMTs who really offer "just a massage", and do NOT offer "extras" or "happy ending" and do NOT want customers who are aiming or hoping for that. The 100 % legitimate CMTs do not describe themselves as "attractive and playful" in ads, because such a description would attract the kind of customer they don't want. They use other words and information in their marketing. And they don't ever advertise on Back Page, either. So this particular BP advertiser is either offering extras / happy ending, or is basically a "rip-off" who is trying to attract customers by making indirect suggestions that she offers services that she really doesn't. If you (I mean the "critics" of Goggles original post) doubt that legitimate CMTs exist, you're welcome to do a Google Maps search such as "certified massage therapist loc: Denver, CO" or "cmt loc: Denver, CO" and report back on what you find - what kind of descriptions and marketing are used. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 18, 2014 If I paid $120 and just got a massage, fantastic or not, I would feel ripped off. I know where I can get a great massage for $60 any day of the week. Obviously, we differ. This is the main problem. There is a gal in town who charges $120 and does a topless massage. At the end, she gives you the goods. For that kind of money, it is expected and delivered. If you pay that, but don't get the goods, that is a rip off by definition. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
